Is Mark Kelly a traitor?

North Vietnam won.
My point.
South Korea successfully resisted invasion.
yep, agreed to a peace deal to stop korean's from dying from a useless war. BTW, it was the same country, russia is not Ukraine. Never has been.
The Taliban defeated the US.
yep, another useless war, you should be picking up on the facts that wars aren't winnable.
The mUjihadeen defeated the Soviets. The Hungarians held off the Mongols. The Macedonians defeated the Persians. History is rife with this stuff.
yep, not sure your point, war is useless.
now, how does any of that related to a foreign devil calling an American veteran a traitor, for saying an agreement can't be a giveaway to Putin?
 
Why is a US Senator with no role on any foreign affairs committees visiting Ukraine? It's very suspicious.
When he goes to a foreign country literally as the president is conducting his foreign policy in an attempt to end a war and threatens to undermine the president's Constitutional authority to conduct said policy, there's a problem. The democrats did something very similar when they met the Zman before he went to the White House and urged him to reject the president's plan.
 
Just trying to figure out which side you flip-floppers are on. :cool:
The side that doesn’t want a nuclear war. Really not that hard to pick

That’s why you demafacist nuclear warmongers have only a 21 percent approval rating…which frankly is shockingly high
 
When he goes to a foreign country literally as the president is conducting his foreign policy in an attempt to end a war and threatens to undermine the president's Constitutional authority to conduct said policy, there's a problem. The democrats did something very similar when they met the Zman before he went to the White House and urged him to reject the president's plan.
Congress members have the legal right to visit foreign nations where we have business. We have been supporting Ukraine's war since it started.
 
It's going to be a hard enough time getting them to give back the land they seized, demanding them to pay for the damage is going to be a stretch
A good negotiator vs not.

Russia needs this ceasefire and the war to end and sanctions removed. They are financially in deep do do and their deaths are far far greater than Ukrainians. Trump's team can at least try to use this in negotiations

It's possible Putin could care less about his Russian citizens, and their suffering because he is the richest man in the world from all he has crookedly stolen from the Russian people....(Musk might be the richest now, but maybe not)

Putin already 'has his', so maybe as said, he won't cave a little....but it is worth a try...imo.
 
Congress members have the legal right to visit foreign nations where we have business. We have been supporting Ukraine's war since it started.
They might have a legal right, but they should NOT be undercutting the president's foreign policy. That's not their job, any more than it would be for a general to let a potential adversary know before we launched a surprise attack.
 
A good negotiator vs not.

Russia needs this ceasefire and the war to end and sanctions removed. They are financially in deep do do and their deaths are far far greater than Ukrainians. Trump's team can at least try to use this in negotiations

It's possible Putin could care less about his Russian citizens, and their suffering because he is the richest man in the world from all he has crookedly stolen from the Russian people....(Musk might be the richest now, but maybe not)

Putin already 'has his', so maybe as said, he won't cave a little....but it is worth a try...imo.
Russia now has Crimea and Western Ukraine. That includes oil reserves, a major port, and rare earth minerals. While the US has switched sides, Europe is alarmed and ramping up. It would be strategically smart to call a truce.



It took Russia two generations to conquer Ukraine previously.
 
but they should NOT be undercutting the president's foreign policy.
His foreign policy is to give Putin an agreement without protections for Ukraine? Its treason to say we shouldn't do that? Where in the First Amendment is that the case? Please cite it specifically.
 
His foreign policy is to give Putin an agreement without protections for Ukraine? Its treason to say we shouldn't do that? Where in the First Amendment is that the case? Please cite it specifically.
I keep repeating that they may technically have legal grounds for stating opposition to the president, but there is a problem when they actively undermine the president's foreign policy authority. The legislative branch does not conduct foreign policy, the executive branch does. They are overstepping their authority.

Why is that acceptable beyond Orange Man Bad and reasons?
 
I keep repeating that they may technically have legal grounds for stating opposition to the president, but there is a problem when they actively undermine the president's foreign policy authority. The legislative branch does not conduct foreign policy, the executive branch does. They are overstepping their authority.

Why is that acceptable beyond Orange Man Bad and reasons?
THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

You reasoning above is sound, although I disagree, that doesn't make you a TRAITOR.
 
They might have a legal right, but they should NOT be undercutting the president's foreign policy. That's not their job, any more than it would be for a general to let a potential adversary know before we launched a surprise attack.
The new president's position differs with that of the USA, for the past two decades, and even last year....just months ago. Congress has funded Ukraine through legislation, and can go to Ukraine to see if it has worked well, need more, or need less....
 
THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
The 1st does have limits on it, it's not absolute. A soldier, for instance, who meets with an enemy soldier on the battlefield and gives up information is not protected by it. Those with a security clearance are not protected by it if they divulge information they are not supposed to divulge. Now, a member of Congress who goes to a foreign country and undermines the president's Constitutional authority to conduct foreign policy? I don't know that it's been adjudicated by the SC. I think it would be an interesting case for them to take.
You reasoning above is sound, although I disagree, that doesn't make you a TRAITOR.
You become a traitor when you go to a foreign country with which we are at war and undermine our country's foreign policy. We are not at war with Ukraine, so technically at least, the congresscritter is not a traitor, but certainly is not acting in the best interests of our country, and ultimately his own career. What happens if we end up at war with Ukraine in the near future? He's not going to be trusted with anything sensitive as he's already demonstrated he has no problem subverting official foreign policy.
 
The new president's position differs with that of the USA, for the past two decades, and even last year....just months ago. Congress has funded Ukraine through legislation, and can go to Ukraine to see if it has worked well, need more, or need less....
Who is the USA you are referring to? name someone.
 
THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
it falls under the fire in a theatre position, since it undermines security. try again.
You reasoning above is sound, although I disagree, that doesn't make you a TRAITOR.
He should have requested permission to go from the president first, not to undermine the peace deal negotiations. That's what makes it traitorous. If he undermines that process, is illegal. And he wouldn't be the first military person arrested.
 
The new president's position differs with that of the USA, for the past two decades, and even last year....just months ago. Congress has funded Ukraine through legislation, and can go to Ukraine to see if it has worked well, need more, or need less....
The president has the Constitutional authority to conduct foreign policy. He has the authority to negotiate and sign treaties with other countries. IOW, he has the authority to change foreign policy, whether congresscritters who hate his guts irrationally like it or not.
 
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