Is Mark Kelly a traitor?

[Zincwarrior]

The 1st does have limits on it, it's not absolute. A soldier, for instance, who meets with an enemy soldier on the battlefield and gives up information is not protected by it.

He is not a soldier. Its the opposite, as a member of Congress he has special protections under the Constitution in addition to the First Amendment protecting his actions.

Under your definition, anyone who publicly disagrees with the President is now a traitor. What was Trump doing in 2024?

 

[jc456]

The president has the Constitutional authority to conduct foreign policy. He has the authority to negotiate and sign treaties with other countries. IOW, he has the authority to change foreign policy, whether congresscritters who hate his guts irrationally like it or not.

Again, anyone interfering in peace negotiations without approval is out of line and is considered a threat to democracy.

 

[Zincwarrior]

it falls under the fire in a theatre position, since it undermines security. try again.

He should have requested permission to go from the president first, not to undermine the peace deal negotiations. That's what makes it traitorous. If he undermines that process, is illegal. And he wouldn't be the first military person arrested.

Please cite case law for your statements. I know MAGA firmly believes that any disagreement with Dear Leader is now treason.

 

[Care4all]

The president has the Constitutional authority to conduct foreign policy. He has the authority to negotiate and sign treaties with other countries. IOW, he has the authority to change foreign policy, whether congresscritters who hate his guts irrationally like it or not.

The president can't sign a treaty and it be valid, without Senate approval, from my constitutional understanding...

 

[Zincwarrior]

Again, anyone interfering in peace negotiations without approval is out of line and is considered a threat to democracy.

Nixon, Reagan.

 

[jc456]

Please cite case law for your statements. I know MAGA firmly believes that any disagreement with Dear Leader is now treason.

oh so why don't you post yours? This isn't my duty, it's yours to show he had the authority to go. Post it

 

[hadit]

He is not a soldier. Its the opposite, as a member of Congress he has special protections under the Constitution in addition to the First Amendment protecting his actions.

Under your definition, anyone who publicly disagrees with the President is now a traitor. What was Trump doing in 2024?

Now you're not paying any attention to what I'm saying. I clearly laid out what a traitor is. Don't claim I'm saying something I'm not if you want me to take you seriously.

 

[jc456]

Nixon, Reagan.

2 presidents?

 

[hadit]

The president can't sign a treaty and it be valid, without Senate approval, from my constitutional understanding...

True, but Congress can't make a treaty. They can only react to the president, kind of like how the Senate can't appoint SC justices, but get to weigh in on the president's choices. Foreign policy comes from the executive, not legislative branch.

 

[Care4all]

The 1st does have limits on it, it's not absolute. A soldier, for instance, who meets with an enemy soldier on the battlefield and gives up information is not protected by it. Those with a security clearance are not protected by it if they divulge information they are not supposed to divulge. Now, a member of Congress who goes to a foreign country and undermines the president's Constitutional authority to conduct foreign policy? I don't know that it's been adjudicated by the SC. I think it would be an interesting case for them to take.

You become a traitor when you go to a foreign country with which we are at war and undermine our country's foreign policy. We are not at war with Ukraine, so technically at least, the congresscritter is not a traitor, but certainly is not acting in the best interests of our country, and ultimately his own career. What happens if we end up at war with Ukraine in the near future? He's not going to be trusted with anything sensitive as he's already demonstrated he has no problem subverting official foreign policy.

Proof that Kelly undermined the President as you stated?????

 

[jc456]

He is not a soldier. Its the opposite, as a member of Congress he has special protections under the Constitution in addition to the First Amendment protecting his actions.

post the law.

Under your definition, anyone who publicly disagrees with the President is now a traitor. What was Trump doing in 2024?

Bingo!

 

[jc456]

Proof that Kelly undermined the President as you stated?????

proof he had authority first?

 

[hadit]

Proof that Kelly undermined the President as you stated?????

He is trying to set the stage by demanding things he wants in the peace agreement and echoing what Ukraine is demanding. That's not his call. At best, he's just getting in the way.

 

[jc456]

He is trying to set the stage by demanding things he wants in the peace agreement and echoing what Ukraine is demanding. That's not his call. At best, he's just getting in the way.

it's called interfering.

 

[22lcidw]

Russia now has Crimea and Western Ukraine. That includes oil reserves, a major port, and rare earth minerals. While the US has switched sides, Europe is alarmed and ramping up. It would be strategically smart to call a truce.



It took Russia two generations to conquer Ukraine previously.

What is more concerning is that we added newer NATO members closer to the Russian border during the last administration.

 

[MarcATL]

Musk earlier Monday in a tweet directed at Democratic Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly wrote, “You are a traitor,” after the senator posted about a visit he made to Ukraine over the weekend.

“Everyone wants this war to end, but any agreement has to protect Ukraine’s security and can’t be a giveaway to Putin,” Kelly had written, referring to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who ordered his nation’s invasion of Ukraine three years ago.

Kelly, who is a former U.S. Navy pilot and NASA astronaut, fired back at Musk’s attack.

“Traitor?” Kelly wrote. “Elon, if you don’t understand that defending freedom is a basic tenet of what makes America great and keeps us safe, maybe you should leave it to those of us who do.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/musk-tesla-doge-stock-market.html

Kelly just came back from a trip to Ukraine. He's made a number of comments based on what he saw and Ukrainians he spoke to.

Kelly said in his initial post Sunday that his trip over the weekend to the war-torn country, where he met with military members, nurses and others, had reaffirmed his commitment to not give up on the Ukrainian people. He added that any peace deal with Russia “has to protect Ukraine’s security and can’t be a giveaway” to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...mark-kelly-traitor-support-ukraine-rcna195738

Maybe Elon means Kelly is a traitor to the cause of Russia? Cuz Kelly's credentials as a patriot to this country are beyond reproach.

It's long past time to take Elon to the woodshed.

 

[jc456]

It's long past time to take Elon to the woodshed.

go for it. when you going to do it?

 

[hadit]

It's long past time to take Elon to the woodshed.

Congresscritters don't like consequences to their actions. They get all upset about them.

 

[MarcATL]

He wore this wartime uniform to meet ALL presidents and heads, of all the foreign countries he's visited.

Why in the world it be unacceptable to Trump and not all the other foreign leaders? While Musk goes to the oval office and cabinet meetings wearing t shirts and baseball caps....all on tv.

MAGAlojiks

 

[jc456]

Congresscritters don't like consequences to their actions. They get all upset about them.

shit, they added all that pork, both parties.