Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[dblack]

If we had universal health care it would be just like in Canada and other socialists countries.

Everybody with a job would be paying for it and the welfare queens would be getting it for free.

The people that could afford it would be getting private health care because the government health care would suck.

No one wants government Healthcare s*******, it's just about how Healthcare is paid for. The amount of absolute crap you take as fact is amazing... 30 States already have the Obamacare system and there is no such crap going on, idiot.

Agreed. What you want is much worse - government run insurance.

 

[francoHFW]

What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

It's because the US is a diverse nation, and we have different opinions. Some of us want good vacations, but some of us would rather put that money into retirement. Some of us want to go to college, some of is don't. There's no need to commit everyone to one set of preferences with government policy. We prefer the freedom to decide for ourselves.

You have the freedom to follow up idiotic giveaways to the rich with cuts in services to your family and friends and making it harder than ever to succeed. That's how GOP tax rates and policies have wrecked the middle class and the country the last 35 years and given us the worst inequality ever and the worst upward Mobility ever. Great job brainwashed functional moron...

Feel better? I'm not really sure what you're going on about here, but sometimes it's good to vent.

I'm going on about the most important development of the last 35 years of GOP dominance, brainwashed functional moron. Read a newspaper change the channel.

 

[dblack]

What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

It's because the US is a diverse nation, and we have different opinions. Some of us want good vacations, but some of us would rather put that money into retirement. Some of us want to go to college, some of is don't. There's no need to commit everyone to one set of preferences with government policy. We prefer the freedom to decide for ourselves.

You have the freedom to follow up idiotic giveaways to the rich with cuts in services to your family and friends and making it harder than ever to succeed. That's how GOP tax rates and policies have wrecked the middle class and the country the last 35 years and given us the worst inequality ever and the worst upward Mobility ever. Great job brainwashed functional moron...

Feel better? I'm not really sure what you're going on about here, but sometimes it's good to vent.

I'm going on about the most important development of the last 35 years of GOP dominance, brainwashed functional moron. Read a newspaper change the channel.

So you weren't really responding to my post then.

 

[Thinker101]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Yeah, only to offset you idiots claiming socialism is the promise land.

Always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net for the unfortunate, super duper. None of your brainwashed fear-mongering and Hate, thanks, brainwashed functional moron.

LOL, who the heck needs to do any fear mongering, just take a look at Venezuela.
PS...be sure to bring toilet paper if you decide to visit...dumbass.

 

[francoHFW]

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Yeah, only to offset you idiots claiming socialism is the promise land.

Always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net for the unfortunate, super duper. None of your brainwashed fear-mongering and Hate, thanks, brainwashed functional moron.

LOL, who the heck needs to do any fear mongering, just take a look at Venezuela.
PS...be sure to bring toilet paper if you decide to visit...dumbass.

Fear-mongering about a s*******third world country being wrecked by its total Reliance on oil and George Bush's corrupt World depression has no lessons for Rich modern countries like us, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[francoHFW]

If we had universal health care it would be just like in Canada and other socialists countries.

Everybody with a job would be paying for it and the welfare queens would be getting it for free.

The people that could afford it would be getting private health care because the government health care would suck.

No one wants government Healthcare s*******, it's just about how Healthcare is paid for. The amount of absolute crap you take as fact is amazing... 30 States already have the Obamacare system and there is no such crap going on, idiot.

Agreed. What you want is much worse - government run insurance.

Setting up a transparent competition between insurers is no dark conspiracy, conspiracy Nut Job.

 

[gallantwarrior]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

I'm a Trump supporter. Honestly, I don't know what the answer is to healthcare. I don't think either party has it right. But I do believe anyone who is sick or in need of medical attention should not be denied, and they shouldn't be required to work 80 hours a week the rest of their lives to pay for bills they'll never be able to afford. The real issue is of course the lazy asses that don't work.

Health care costs are also a factor. The exorbitant rates charged by hospitals/doctors are outrageous compared to their costs. I understand they claim to be trying to recoup losses incurred treating those who cannot afford care, but, really? Of course, if the insurance companies just cough up whatever is demanded, they have to cover their profits. It would help immensely if everyone were presented with an itemized bill.

 

[Thinker101]

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Yeah, only to offset you idiots claiming socialism is the promise land.

Always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net for the unfortunate, super duper. None of your brainwashed fear-mongering and Hate, thanks, brainwashed functional moron.

LOL, who the heck needs to do any fear mongering, just take a look at Venezuela.
PS...be sure to bring toilet paper if you decide to visit...dumbass.

Fear-mongering about a s*******third world country being wrecked by its total Reliance on oil and George Bush's corrupt World depression has no lessons for Rich modern countries like us, brainwashed functional moron.

No kidding, so you feel since we are a richer country, there's plenty to go around...dumbass.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Seriously, employer provided group health insurance has been a disaster. Instead of propping it up, even more, with government, let it pass. Find something better. Just don't force everyone else to play along with your preferred solution.

I don't know where you get that. Perhaps you are not old enough or knowledgeable enough to know that the employer-based insurance was THE best healthcare in the world...that is...before corporatism ruined it like they have ruined a great many things that use to be good.
The problem today is rising cost, with the "rise" primarily being cost of insurance. Actual medical cost for most conditions have been going down, not up.

The biggest problem in America is horrific eating habits. Child Diabetes type 2 for instance, didn't even exist a few decades ago.
Obesity is magnificently expensive. Food related illnesses, primarily diabetes and heart disease, eats up 67% of all healthcare costs in America according to a study.
The sickest 5% of this country account for over half of the TOTAL U.S. healthcare dollars spent!!
Yet....preventative care and nutritional education is virtually non-existent. Most of the attention is diets that don't work. And will never work.

Truth is, if Americans stopped the cheeseburgers and ate a few more salads, turned down the ice cream and cake and chose a few more fruits instead - healthcare cost would drop by nearly half.

We have moved so far away from locally grown/produced foodstuffs. I love having my own chickens and goats. Milk and eggs from free range and grass-fed animals cannot be topped. While I realize that not everyone is as privileged as I am, people need to be aware of where their food comes from and how it is produced. Thank the industrialization of the nation.

 

[francoHFW]

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Yeah, only to offset you idiots claiming socialism is the promise land.

Always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net for the unfortunate, super duper. None of your brainwashed fear-mongering and Hate, thanks, brainwashed functional moron.

LOL, who the heck needs to do any fear mongering, just take a look at Venezuela.
PS...be sure to bring toilet paper if you decide to visit...dumbass.

Fear-mongering about a s*******third world country being wrecked by its total Reliance on oil and George Bush's corrupt World depression has no lessons for Rich modern countries like us, brainwashed functional moron.

No kidding, so you feel since we are a richer country, there's plenty to go around...dumbass.

The rich can handle being taxed more, in fact it's unfair to tax them at this rate, super dupe. We need so much more investment in infrastructure and our workers so that there is enough demand for product. Are you enjoying the worst inequality and upward mobility in the history of the country, brainwashed functional moron?

 

[gallantwarrior]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

Read what I wrote again. I observed that you and your wife are paying into a system instead of sucking off of it. I suppose I poorly worded the observation. You fit into the "from each" category paying to support the "to each" group. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
p.s. you could drag my dead corpse to Venezuela, and they'd probably eat it when it got there.

 

[Meister]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

You people crave for socialism, and I'm willing to help you guys attain your dream. My offer goes to you, also, Debra.

Except we are talking about other developed countries which are all socialist, not some third world s*******, brainwashed functional moron. What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

Because we are the only country that has over 300 million of those you mentioned. Countries with 6-12 million do not have the same issues as we do with 330 million. Stupid ass dupes such as yourself are too stupid to figure that out.

 

[francoHFW]

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

You people crave for socialism, and I'm willing to help you guys attain your dream. My offer goes to you, also, Debra.

Except we are talking about other developed countries which are all socialist, not some third world s*******, brainwashed functional moron. What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

Because we are the only country that has over 300 million of those you mentioned. Countries with 6-12 million do not have the same issues as we do with 330 million. Stupid ass dupes such as yourself are too stupid to figure that out.

Always the last stupid argument of conservatives.... Population makes no difference. Germany is like 90 million France 65 stupid argument anyway... Conservative arguments are like that..

 

[Meister]

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

You people crave for socialism, and I'm willing to help you guys attain your dream. My offer goes to you, also, Debra.

Except we are talking about other developed countries which are all socialist, not some third world s*******, brainwashed functional moron. What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

Because we are the only country that has over 300 million of those you mentioned. Countries with 6-12 million do not have the same issues as we do with 330 million. Stupid ass dupes such as yourself are too stupid to figure that out.

Always the last stupid argument of conservatives.... Population makes no difference. Germany is like 90 million France 65 stupid argument anyway... Conservative arguments are like that..

It may be an argument of conservatives, but it's far from stupid. Only to an ignorant minion would one consider that to be stupid, because he has nothing else.
The weight of debt would smother a country or you tax a ridiculous amount to ALL, not just the rich, fool. Maybe add a VAT of low to mid 20%, add gasoline taxes or fees.
Who would it hurt? The least who can afford it. And, you would still be bitching like the total idiot you show yourself to be.

 

[Votto]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

I just love you guys. You don't say IF it should be done, but WHEN it should be done.

You kids are the same ones that convinced us all that Obamacare was the cure to all our ills, but the ink is not even dry on the legislation and now you say that the current system is a failure.

No doubt, people will continue to listen to the same voices that sold us Obamacare which will sell us universal coverage.

Shrug, people are stupid.

 

[Meister]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument.

It seems not so long ago that very country was being praised by people just like you. Now that it failed,
those same people run off and say silly things like, "Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument."

 

[francoHFW]

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

You people crave for socialism, and I'm willing to help you guys attain your dream. My offer goes to you, also, Debra.

Except we are talking about other developed countries which are all socialist, not some third world s*******, brainwashed functional moron. What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

Because we are the only country that has over 300 million of those you mentioned. Countries with 6-12 million do not have the same issues as we do with 330 million. Stupid ass dupes such as yourself are too stupid to figure that out.

Always the last stupid argument of conservatives.... Population makes no difference. Germany is like 90 million France 65 stupid argument anyway... Conservative arguments are like that..

It may be an argument of conservatives, but it's far from stupid. Only to an ignorant minion would one consider that to be stupid, because he has nothing else.
The weight of debt would smother a country or you tax a ridiculous amount to ALL, not just the rich, fool. Maybe add a VAT of low to mid 20%, add gasoline taxes or fees.
Who would it hurt? The least who can afford it. And, you would still be bitching like the total idiot you show yourself to be.

Funny how they are so happy with it. We are number 23 or worse for happiness. thanks GOP and silly dupes...

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument.

It seems not so long ago that very country was being praised by people just like you. Now that it failed,
those same people run off and say silly things like, "Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument."

No one ever praised Venezuela LOL

 

[Thinker101]

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument.

It seems not so long ago that very country was being praised by people just like you. Now that it failed,
those same people run off and say silly things like, "Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument."

No one ever praised Venezuela LOL

Yeah, you never praised Venezuela, just their policies.

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

I just love you guys. You don't say IF it should be done, but WHEN it should be done.

You kids are the same ones that convinced us all that Obamacare was the cure to all our ills, but the ink is not even dry on the legislation and now you say that the current system is a failure.

No doubt, people will continue to listen to the same voices that sold us Obamacare which will sell us universal coverage.

Shrug, people are stupid.

Even with all the GOP and crony insurers sabotage of it, Obamacare still is working to cut cost Rises and is very popular except for Dukes and red States...

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument.

It seems not so long ago that very country was being praised by people just like you. Now that it failed,
those same people run off and say silly things like, "Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument."

No one ever praised Venezuela LOL

Yeah, you never praised Venezuela, just their policies.

Before the oil price crashed in 2008 Hugo cut homelessness poverty in half and gave them Healthcare daycare and almost 100% literacy. And it was still capitalist... It is a third world country that has some oil very corrupt always was still is. Of course you are brainwashed about the evil of it..
Still capitalist still democratic.