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It's not your job to protect grown young women from the sexual decisions they make for themselves. They are autonomous adults and deserve to be treated as such.what of the physical harm done to the women? What of the mental harm done to the women?
It's not your job to protect grown young women from the sexual decisions they make for themselves. They are autonomous adults and deserve to be treated as such.
EDIT: Nor can you do that. Their lives just get harder because now they're criminals.
I think we can wrap it up here.Bad children.
I wouldn’t say married men her no ass, but married men with kids tends to get less ass and are sexually dissatisfied.Speak for yourself, dude. This is horseshit.
Where are you getting these figures?First we discuss the scope of the issue. Involuntary Celibacy is a relatively common phenomenon in Modern USA. About 28% of men aged 20-30 are involuntary celibate. Most men who have been married for over 10 years are also involuntary celibate or MarriedCel. Overall, about 40% of men in USA are involuntary celibate.
I paid for a hooker once when I was in the service. It was the least satisfying sex I have ever had.It is more common among married rather then single men. Involuntary Celibacy is not an issue for women, but many women are Involuntary Single -- they can not find any men to commit to them. According to "Women Can't Hear What Men do not Say" by Dr. Warren Farrell, many women who dislike men are Involuntary Single. Finding a partner is not a right, but it is an interest for most people.
Second, we discuss some problems with those who identify as InCels. Many InCels claim that women owe them sex, which is absolutely wrong by any standard. Some InCels believe that sex is a civil right, which is absolute nonsense. Likewise, some women who are Involuntary Single accuse men of being commitment-phobic. The 2005 book "Are Men Necessary?: When Sexes Collide" by Maureen Dowd which celebrates the predicted extinction of males lists men's commitment-phobia as one of our main faults.
Most of those who study InCels blame their ideology on patriarchal thinking. In reality, InCel ideology is an outgrowth of several concepts popular in Social Justice Community. I will expand this point later.
Fortunately, only a tiny minority of men identify as InCel. A tiny minority of those who are involuntary celibate are InCel. Several InCels have committed heinous crimes, but there is no data whether the 40% of men who are involuntary celibate are more or less likely to commit crimes. The word InCel is being used as an insult in many arguments which have nothing to do with involuntary celibacy. Quite frequently this insult is used by Leftist men who are MarriedCel against men who are non-celibate.
Third, we discuss the impact of sex work on the issue of involuntary celibacy. In most of the World, prostitution is accepted and involuntary celibacy does not exist. I have followed the trends of criminalization and decriminalization of sex work around the World. In all US states except Nevada, both buying and selling of sex is a crime since early 20th century. According to Uniform Crime Reports, p.204, 6,500 sex workers and 2,500 sex worker customers were arrested in 1940. According to "Arrest in the United States, 1990-2010" , p.2, 43,200 sex workers and 19,500 sex worker customers were arrested in 2010. Due to the pressure from pro-criminalization groups, purchasing sex has been criminalized in Sweden 1999, South Korea 2004, Norway 2009, Iceland 2009, North Ireland and Canada 2014, France 2016, Ireland 2017, Israel 2019, and Spain sometime soon. In all formerly Socialist countries both selling and buying sex was illegal during most of Communist reign. In Russia, it was outlawed in 1918 and the law was "forgotten" in 1980s. In China it was outlawed in 1949, and the law was "forgotten" in 2000s. In 2019, there is a proposition to decriminalize both sex workers and their customers in New York State.
Forth, I would like to discuss the most rational course of action to be taken by men. We should understand that sex work is beneficial for Society in general and most men in particular. The vast majority of sex workers are on their free will. In UK, where sex work is legal both for the sex workers and customers, obtaining services from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense (Section s.53A added to Sex Crimes Act in 2010). According to "Violence against Women and Girls Crime report" for 2015-'16 by UK Crown Prosecution Service, during 2010-'11 fiscal year, 40 men were prosecuted on the basis of s.53A. During later years, the numbers fell to less then 10 per year. According to Table 10, p. 80, there have been up to 142 cases of human trafficking in UK. The total number of sex workers in UK is about 80,000.
In USA, selling or purchasing sexual services is a misdemeanor (purchasing sex is a felony in TX). On one hand, I would never advice anyone to break the Law. The Law is the Law. Even though very few InCels commit actual violence, many involuntary celibate people in USA commit this misdemeanor. According to YouGov Survey of March 5 - 7, 2016, about 12% of all American men including 20% of American men aged 30-44 are guilty. Overall, this misdemeanor is committed about 15 million times per year in USA. Many repeat offenders can no longer be classified as celibate, but they risk arrest and blacklisting.
On the other hand, men must base their votes on their self interest rather then on unearned guilt. Even though an ability to find a partner is not a right, it is an interest for most men. If most men were sane enough to base their votes on self interest, any politician who supports legalization of sex work would have gotten an overwhelming majority of men's votes against an opponent who opposes legalization. In Spain, Vox Party would have gotten 40% rather then 10% of popular vote. Of course many women oppose legalization, which is their right. We are grateful to everyone who supports Legalization, but we would never coerce anyone to follow our views. We are grateful to women who stand up for men, yet we never demand support from anyone.
Unfortunately, in modern USA, sane men are in the minority, while most men suffer Male Guilt Syndrome. MGS is a psychosis caused by excessive exposure to toxic Media which presents men as Privileged Oppressors and women as their victims. MGS can be cured by a moderate doze of healthy Alternative Media which deals with ways in which men are disadvantaged by Modern Western Society.
I would like to reiterate an important distinction. Prohibition of sex work is not a violation of men's civil rights, but voting for men's best interests is the rational choice any sane man would take. Even though awareness of other areas, where men's civil rights are in fact violated has nothing to do with the issue at hand, such awareness would cure most men of Male Guilt Syndrome and help them make right decision on every issue.
what of the physical harm done to the women? What of the mental harm done to the women?
Thank you for describing the shadow side of sex work. Perhaps some of my ideas were wrong. Sex workers must be protected from abuse.Have you ever known a prostitute? Many are damaged mentally, but they started out that way. They are drug addicts, incomparably lazy or cognitively deficient. Far more are well adjusted, successful, intelligent and well educated. They are putting themselves through college, supporting a new struggling business, supporting families. Just need a bit of extra to make ends meet. There is seldom physical harm that isn't paid for. Madames of brothels don't normally allow girls to be beaten. For the right price a pimp will produce a girl that can be beaten to death.
The prostitutes that deserve sympathy are the sex slaves started as children. They need all the help they can get.
Not every transaction for personal service requires sex. You are just not particularly well educated on the subject.
Well. If that's what you are after, you want to legalize prostitution. There will still be illegal whores. But you can't do anything about that. The Netherlands legalized prostitution then found so many legal brothels had illegal operations that the famed red light district is much smaller than it was.Thank you for describing the shadow side of sex work. Perhaps some of my ideas were wrong. Sex workers must be protected from abuse.
Fortunately I am not in a position to influence any public policy in any way.
Hopefully all abuses of sex workers can be stopped.Well. If that's what you are after, you want to legalize prostitution. There will still be illegal whores. But you can't do anything about that. The Netherlands legalized prostitution then found so many legal brothels had illegal operations that the famed red light district is much smaller than it was.
In Mexico, just outside of Juarez, there are professional hunts. For a hefty price a customer can hunt and kill a woman kidnapped for the purpose. Usually prostitutes working the border. It's been going on for decades.
Nothing can stop abuse of sex workers or indeed anyone. No matter how many laws they pass.Hopefully all abuses of sex workers can be stopped.
Fortunately I am not in a position to influence public policy and law -- thus I am not faced with responsibility which lawmakers have.
Have you ever known a prostitute? Many are damaged mentally, but they started out that way. They are drug addicts, incomparably lazy or cognitively deficient. Far more are well adjusted, successful, intelligent and well educated. They are putting themselves through college, supporting a new struggling business, supporting families. Just need a bit of extra to make ends meet. There is seldom physical harm that isn't paid for. Madames of brothels don't normally allow girls to be beaten. For the right price a pimp will produce a girl that can be beaten to death.
The prostitutes that deserve sympathy are the sex slaves started as children. They need all the help they can get.
Not every transaction for personal service requires sex. You are just not particularly well educated on the subject.
Neither me nor you are policy makers. Perhaps our opinion has zero effect on the laws.I am not an expert. But I stand by my point(s). It is a bad job and passing laws to suppress it, seems completely reasonable.
I put my way through law school as a dominatrix. No sex, just beating. Then I'd piss on them. That pays better than sex.I've known a couple of women that worked in the field, one at a massage parlor and one as a dominatrix.
The one seemed to deal ok, but quit when a friend of hers was murdered and it got to her. The other, was damaged to start and the job did not help.
I am not an expert. But I stand by my point(s). It is a bad job and passing laws to suppress it, seems completely reasonable.
Thank you for sharing.I put my way through law school as a dominatrix. No sex, just beating. Then I'd piss on them. That pays better than sex.
I have been in many relationships. I feel that I have earned the right to be retired. From relationships, from sex. I'm done.Thank you for sharing.
I have never been in any relationship -- many people would mock me for admitting.
I do not subscribe to InCel ideology. I do not believe sex is a right -- just an interest. At 52, I do not even miss that much.
This is the dumbest shit I've read in awhile. The only thing involuntary about it is your chicken shit attitude about the opposite sex.First we discuss the scope of the issue. Involuntary Celibacy is a relatively common phenomenon in Modern USA
Neither me nor you are policy makers. Perhaps our opinion has zero effect on the laws.
Many jobs are harmful, but they are not banned. We all benefit from people having no choice but to do these jobs. About 93% of those who die in work accidents are men.
Both genders voted in 1960s -- thus both genders are responsible for US Foreign Policy at that time. Out of 58,202 American personnel who were killed in Vietnam, 17,725 were draftees. Overall, over 2 million people were killed.
I put my way through law school as a dominatrix. No sex, just beating. Then I'd piss on them. That pays better than sex.
