Involuntary Celibacy and Sex Work

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First we discuss the scope of the issue. Involuntary Celibacy is a relatively common phenomenon in Modern USA. About 28% of men aged 20-30 are involuntary celibate. Most men who have been married for over 10 years are also involuntary celibate or MarriedCel. Overall, about 40% of men in USA are involuntary celibate. It is more common among married rather then single men. Involuntary Celibacy is not an issue for women, but many women are Involuntary Single -- they can not find any men to commit to them. According to "Women Can't Hear What Men do not Say" by Dr. Warren Farrell, many women who dislike men are Involuntary Single. Finding a partner is not a right, but it is an interest for most people.

Second, we discuss some problems with those who identify as InCels. Many InCels claim that women owe them sex, which is absolutely wrong by any standard. Some InCels believe that sex is a civil right, which is absolute nonsense. Likewise, some women who are Involuntary Single accuse men of being commitment-phobic. The 2005 book "Are Men Necessary?: When Sexes Collide" by Maureen Dowd which celebrates the predicted extinction of males lists men's commitment-phobia as one of our main faults.

Most of those who study InCels blame their ideology on patriarchal thinking. In reality, InCel ideology is an outgrowth of several concepts popular in Social Justice Community. I will expand this point later.

Fortunately, only a tiny minority of men identify as InCel. A tiny minority of those who are involuntary celibate are InCel. Several InCels have committed heinous crimes, but there is no data whether the 40% of men who are involuntary celibate are more or less likely to commit crimes. The word InCel is being used as an insult in many arguments which have nothing to do with involuntary celibacy. Quite frequently this insult is used by Leftist men who are MarriedCel against men who are non-celibate.

Third, we discuss the impact of sex work on the issue of involuntary celibacy. In most of the World, prostitution is accepted and involuntary celibacy does not exist. I have followed the trends of criminalization and decriminalization of sex work around the World. In all US states except Nevada, both buying and selling of sex is a crime since early 20th century. According to Uniform Crime Reports, p.204, 6,500 sex workers and 2,500 sex worker customers were arrested in 1940. According to "Arrest in the United States, 1990-2010" , p.2, 43,200 sex workers and 19,500 sex worker customers were arrested in 2010. Due to the pressure from pro-criminalization groups, purchasing sex has been criminalized in Sweden 1999, South Korea 2004, Norway 2009, Iceland 2009, North Ireland and Canada 2014, France 2016, Ireland 2017, Israel 2019, and Spain sometime soon. In all formerly Socialist countries both selling and buying sex was illegal during most of Communist reign. In Russia, it was outlawed in 1918 and the law was "forgotten" in 1980s. In China it was outlawed in 1949, and the law was "forgotten" in 2000s. In 2019, there is a proposition to decriminalize both sex workers and their customers in New York State.

Forth, I would like to discuss the most rational course of action to be taken by men. We should understand that sex work is beneficial for Society in general and most men in particular. The vast majority of sex workers are on their free will. In UK, where sex work is legal both for the sex workers and customers, obtaining services from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense (Section s.53A added to Sex Crimes Act in 2010). According to "Violence against Women and Girls Crime report" for 2015-'16 by UK Crown Prosecution Service, during 2010-'11 fiscal year, 40 men were prosecuted on the basis of s.53A. During later years, the numbers fell to less then 10 per year. According to Table 10, p. 80, there have been up to 142 cases of human trafficking in UK. The total number of sex workers in UK is about 80,000.

In USA, selling or purchasing sexual services is a misdemeanor (purchasing sex is a felony in TX). On one hand, I would never advice anyone to break the Law. The Law is the Law. Even though very few InCels commit actual violence, many involuntary celibate people in USA commit this misdemeanor. According to YouGov Survey of March 5 - 7, 2016, about 12% of all American men including 20% of American men aged 30-44 are guilty. Overall, this misdemeanor is committed about 15 million times per year in USA. Many repeat offenders can no longer be classified as celibate, but they risk arrest and blacklisting.

On the other hand, men must base their votes on their self interest rather then on unearned guilt. Even though an ability to find a partner is not a right, it is an interest for most men. If most men were sane enough to base their votes on self interest, any politician who supports legalization of sex work would have gotten an overwhelming majority of men's votes against an opponent who opposes legalization. In Spain, Vox Party would have gotten 40% rather then 10% of popular vote. Of course many women oppose legalization, which is their right. We are grateful to everyone who supports Legalization, but we would never coerce anyone to follow our views. We are grateful to women who stand up for men, yet we never demand support from anyone.

Unfortunately, in modern USA, sane men are in the minority, while most men suffer Male Guilt Syndrome. MGS is a psychosis caused by excessive exposure to toxic Media which presents men as Privileged Oppressors and women as their victims. MGS can be cured by a moderate doze of healthy Alternative Media which deals with ways in which men are disadvantaged by Modern Western Society.

I would like to reiterate an important distinction. Prohibition of sex work is not a violation of men's civil rights, but voting for men's best interests is the rational choice any sane man would take. Even though awareness of other areas, where men's civil rights are in fact violated has nothing to do with the issue at hand, such awareness would cure most men of Male Guilt Syndrome and help them make right decision on every issue.
 
First we discuss the scope of the issue. Involuntary Celibacy is a relatively common phenomenon in Modern USA. About 28% of men aged 20-30 are involuntary celibate. Most men who have been married for over 10 years are also involuntary celibate or MarriedCel. Overall, about 40% of men in USA are involuntary celibate. It is more common among married rather then single men. Involuntary Celibacy is not an issue for women, but many women are Involuntary Single -- they can not find any men to commit to them. According to "Women Can't Hear What Men do not Say" by Dr. Warren Farrell, many women who dislike men are Involuntary Single. Finding a partner is not a right, but it is an interest for most people.

Second, we discuss some problems with those who identify as InCels. Many InCels claim that women owe them sex, which is absolutely wrong by any standard. Some InCels believe that sex is a civil right, which is absolute nonsense. Likewise, some women who are Involuntary Single accuse men of being commitment-phobic. The 2005 book "Are Men Necessary?: When Sexes Collide" by Maureen Dowd which celebrates the predicted extinction of males lists men's commitment-phobia as one of our main faults.

Most of those who study InCels blame their ideology on patriarchal thinking. In reality, InCel ideology is an outgrowth of several concepts popular in Social Justice Community. I will expand this point later.

Fortunately, only a tiny minority of men identify as InCel. A tiny minority of those who are involuntary celibate are InCel. Several InCels have committed heinous crimes, but there is no data whether the 40% of men who are involuntary celibate are more or less likely to commit crimes. The word InCel is being used as an insult in many arguments which have nothing to do with involuntary celibacy. Quite frequently this insult is used by Leftist men who are MarriedCel against men who are non-celibate.

Third, we discuss the impact of sex work on the issue of involuntary celibacy. In most of the World, prostitution is accepted and involuntary celibacy does not exist. I have followed the trends of criminalization and decriminalization of sex work around the World. In all US states except Nevada, both buying and selling of sex is a crime since early 20th century. According to Uniform Crime Reports, p.204, 6,500 sex workers and 2,500 sex worker customers were arrested in 1940. According to "Arrest in the United States, 1990-2010" , p.2, 43,200 sex workers and 19,500 sex worker customers were arrested in 2010. Due to the pressure from pro-criminalization groups, purchasing sex has been criminalized in Sweden 1999, South Korea 2004, Norway 2009, Iceland 2009, North Ireland and Canada 2014, France 2016, Ireland 2017, Israel 2019, and Spain sometime soon. In all formerly Socialist countries both selling and buying sex was illegal during most of Communist reign. In Russia, it was outlawed in 1918 and the law was "forgotten" in 1980s. In China it was outlawed in 1949, and the law was "forgotten" in 2000s. In 2019, there is a proposition to decriminalize both sex workers and their customers in New York State.

Forth, I would like to discuss the most rational course of action to be taken by men. We should understand that sex work is beneficial for Society in general and most men in particular. The vast majority of sex workers are on their free will. In UK, where sex work is legal both for the sex workers and customers, obtaining services from a trafficking victim is a strict liability offense (Section s.53A added to Sex Crimes Act in 2010). According to "Violence against Women and Girls Crime report" for 2015-'16 by UK Crown Prosecution Service, during 2010-'11 fiscal year, 40 men were prosecuted on the basis of s.53A. During later years, the numbers fell to less then 10 per year. According to Table 10, p. 80, there have been up to 142 cases of human trafficking in UK. The total number of sex workers in UK is about 80,000.

In USA, selling or purchasing sexual services is a misdemeanor (purchasing sex is a felony in TX). On one hand, I would never advice anyone to break the Law. The Law is the Law. Even though very few InCels commit actual violence, many involuntary celibate people in USA commit this misdemeanor. According to YouGov Survey of March 5 - 7, 2016, about 12% of all American men including 20% of American men aged 30-44 are guilty. Overall, this misdemeanor is committed about 15 million times per year in USA. Many repeat offenders can no longer be classified as celibate, but they risk arrest and blacklisting.

On the other hand, men must base their votes on their self interest rather then on unearned guilt. Even though an ability to find a partner is not a right, it is an interest for most men. If most men were sane enough to base their votes on self interest, any politician who supports legalization of sex work would have gotten an overwhelming majority of men's votes against an opponent who opposes legalization. In Spain, Vox Party would have gotten 40% rather then 10% of popular vote. Of course many women oppose legalization, which is their right. We are grateful to everyone who supports Legalization, but we would never coerce anyone to follow our views. We are grateful to women who stand up for men, yet we never demand support from anyone.

Unfortunately, in modern USA, sane men are in the minority, while most men suffer Male Guilt Syndrome. MGS is a psychosis caused by excessive exposure to toxic Media which presents men as Privileged Oppressors and women as their victims. MGS can be cured by a moderate doze of healthy Alternative Media which deals with ways in which men are disadvantaged by Modern Western Society.

I would like to reiterate an important distinction. Prohibition of sex work is not a violation of men's civil rights, but voting for men's best interests is the rational choice any sane man would take. Even though awareness of other areas, where men's civil rights are in fact violated has nothing to do with the issue at hand, such awareness would cure most men of Male Guilt Syndrome and help them make right decision on every issue.


"About 28% of men aged 20-30 are involuntary celibate."


lol

No.

100K incels in a population of 330,000,000 is like 0.003% of the population.

And with a little training and having them stay away from incel communities, they would start dating like everyone else.
 
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100K incels in a population of 330,000,000 is like 0.003% of the population.
About 300K belong to incel communities. I do not belong to them -- I do not share many of their ideas.

But tens of millions are involuntarily celibate.
 
Having the legal right to patronizs a prostitute will not solve the problems of the incel. For the most part, they aren't interested in sex. Like Eliott Rodger in Santa Barbara, when he snapped, he wasn't interested in sex. He just killed women. That is the distillation of the incel mind. He had money. He could have gone to a pimp. There are pimps that specialize in what they call exotics. For a price the pimp will produce a female for the customer to beat to death. This is still not available with legal prostitution. Don't count on legal prostitution to solve any problems.
 
Involuntary Celibacy is not an issue for women, but many women are Involuntary Single -- they can not find any men to commit to them.
That's because most of them are useless vultures that want a free ride through life. Times are changing. Just having a sex organ won't cut it for women anymore. You actually have to offer something and be an interesting person.
 
Having the legal right to patronizs a prostitute will not solve the problems of the incel. For the most part, they aren't interested in sex. Like Eliott Rodger in Santa Barbara, when he snapped, he wasn't interested in sex. He just killed women.
He killed 4 men and 2 women. A tiny fraction of men who are celibate become murderers.

In my opinion, every sane men must vote for legalization of Escort Service. Sane people do vote for their best interests.
 
Relative Ethics


1. I have listened to several Men's Rights' speakers online, and I have never heard any of them even remotely hint that women own them sex.

2. I have known several men over the years that could be reasonable considered "incels" and I have never heard any of them remotely hint that women own them sex.


3. If you want to make the argument that legalizing prostitution would help with the "incel" problem, I suggest you try making that case honestly, because hte way you crafted your op, makes me think that you cannot support your case, without being massively misleading.
 
He killed 4 men and 2 women. A tiny fraction of men who are celibate become murderers.

In my opinion, every sane men must vote for legalization of Escort Service. Sane people do vote for their best interests.
You know it won't help right? The best you can have is legal and illegal prostitution.
 
If you want to make the argument that legalizing prostitution would help with the "incel" problem, I suggest you try making that case honestly, because hte way you crafted your op, makes me think that you cannot support your case, without being massively misleading.
I apologize -- I confused men who do not have no sex and are interested in Escort Service with InCels -- a tiny minority of such men.
 
You know it won't help right? The best you can have is legal and illegal prostitution.
Legal Escort Service would help tens of millions of men.

It is not a civil right, but it is an interest, and most sane people vote for their interests.
 
I mean there are tens of millions of men in USA who would benefit from Escort services.
I am for legal prostitution. It takes money out of the hands of the black market and gives it to us. Also when you tax and regulate that stuff the situation becomes a lot safer and cleaner for everybody.
 

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