Involuntary Celibacy and Sex Work

It depends on what it is. I go case by case. I'm not going to make a blanket statement. Adults should be allowed to monetize their sexuality without being arrested.


YOu made a point that the act of prostitution was consensual.

The way you stated it, it seemed to be an argument that the very fact that it is consensual" is a reason for it to be "ok" and thus it should be legal.


I just wanted to you clarify that. If that is not what you meant, then what did you mean by mentioning that it was consensual.
 
YOu made a point that the act of prostitution was consensual.

The way you stated it, it seemed to be an argument that the very fact that it is consensual" is a reason for it to be "ok" and thus it should be legal.


I just wanted to you clarify that. If that is not what you meant, then what did you mean by mentioning that it was consensual.
In the context of this discussion it's relevant to point out that we're talking about legalizing something that would take place between two consenting adults. Why would you then try to apply that thought globally in an attempt to undermine it in any way you can? What you're saying is ridiculous. It doesn't have to apply to everything. It just needs to make sense in the context we're discussing. The world isn't black and white.

You want to put consenting adults in jail for having sex.
 
In the context of this discussion it's relevant to point out that we're talking about legalizing something that would take place between two consenting adults. Why would you then try to apply that thought globally to undermine it in any way you can? What you're doing is ridiculous. It doesn't have to apply to everything. It just needs to make sense in the context we're discussing. The world isn't black and white.

Fair enough. It is consensual.


It is also very unhealthy, physically and mentally for both the prostitute and the customer.
 
It is also very unhealthy, physically and mentally for both the prostitute and the customer.
It's not the governments place to dictate the sex lives of consenting adults. That's what I believe. I also wouldn't mind seeing the government tax the fuck out of that industry.

Will it really help these people if we put them in jail and put shit on their records? Is it actually your intention to help these people? Because your way isn't going to achieve that.
 
It's not the governments place to dictate the sex lives of consenting adults. That's what I believe. I also wouldn't mind seeing the government tax the fuck out of that industry.


Industries or professions that are dangerous and/or harmful can be regulated. That there is a sexual aspect to the job, does not change that.
 
Industries or professions that are dangerous and/or harmful can be regulated.
Absolutely. Regulate away to ensure that it's as safe as possible.

It's not the government's place to put people in jail for seeking to do that though. If the government wants to legalize and regulate prostitution I am for that.

By the way, speaking of applying logic globally, do you often find yourself on the side fighting for government control and regulations?
 
Absolutely. Regulate away to ensure that it's as safe as possible.

It's not the government's place to put people in jail for seeking to do that though. If the government wants to legalize and regulate prostitution I am for that.

By the way, speaking of applying logic globally, do you often find yourself on the side fighting for government control and regulations?


Very much so. Government has several important roles to fill and a well regulated marketplace, needs regulations.
 
Very much so. Government has several important roles to fill and a well regulated marketplace, needs regulations.
A person's life often gets a lot harder when they've had run-ins with the law. That shouldn't happen just because they wanted to trade money to get off. The desire for sex is intense and deeply rooted in people. If they can't get it elsewhere they will want to pay for it. Almost nobody wants to live life without sex. Your way is cruel and unreasonable. You support something that hurts decent people that just want to fulfill a deeply rooted biological desire.

By the way, how much money do you suppose we waste trying to stop people from doing this? On top of what we'd get from taxes, we'd also surely save a shitload of money not fighting it anymore.
 
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It's always about the daughters. What's with social conservatives trying to control and protect female sexuality? Enough with the patronizing nonsense. An adult woman in an adult. She should have enough control over her own body to make a decision like that if she wants to.
Men generally do not like daughters being turned into whores.
 
Fair enough. It is consensual.


It is also very unhealthy, physically and mentally for both the prostitute and the customer.
Not always consensual. Or perhaps, semi consensual. When a trafficker withholds food, threatens children or beats a woman into consenting to have sex, it can't be described as consensual.

Prostitution can be regulated. After all Los Angeles regulated porn out of the whole county.
 
A person's life often gets a lot harder when they've had run-ins with the law. That shouldn't happen just because they wanted to trade money to get off. The desire for sex is intense and deeply rooted in people. If they can't get it elsewhere they will want to pay for it. Almost nobody wants to live life without sex. Your way is cruel and unreasonable. You support something that hurts decent people that just want to fulfill a deeply rooted biological desire.

By the way, how much money do you suppose we waste trying to stop people from doing this? On top of what we'd get from taxes, we'd also surely save a shitload of money not fighting it anymore.
There will be a ton of money spent fighting the casual slut that deals in cash and doesn't pay taxes. In fact, legalize prostitution and it will require an entirely new bureaucracy to oversee the industry.
 
You should be open and admit you detest these people based on your own sense of morality. That's at least part of why you're trying to control and impede them, right?

It's not your place to control the sexuality of grown people. Everything you retort with is just a deflection from the point, which is that the everyday Joe should have a way to use sex services legally. He shouldn't go to jail just because you think it's a detestable practice. Paying for sex alone should not make somebody a criminal. You can't wipe out victimization completely. Nobody is arguing that; it's non sequitur.

You are missing the point entirely and repeatedly.
 
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Do you want to outlaw pornography too?
When I had my office open, I had an entire part of my practice of pornographers. They have as much need of business agreements as any other. No. Los Angeles decided to legalize and regulate porn movies. They required permits for each sex act. A county inspector had to be on site to personally ensure that men were wearing condoms. Each movie had reams of waivers and agreements all actors had to sign. All very, very, expensive. The small producer of few people filming in their own bedrooms couldn't afford it. Heavy hitters like Vivid bought up internet sites and domain names, then poof. Gone. Overnight.
You should be open and admit you detest these people based on your own sense of morality. That's at least part of why you're trying to control and impede them, right?

It's not your place to control the sexuality of grown people. Everything you retort with is just a deflection from the point, which is that the everyday Joe should have a way to use sex services legally. He shouldn't go to jail just because you think it's a detestable practice. Paying for sex alone should not make somebody a criminal. You can't wipe out victimization completely. Nobody is arguing that; it's non sequitur.

You are missing the point entirely and repeatedly.
Heavens no. Some of my very best friends have been prostitutes. If you want to get into detestable practices, I put myself through law school beating the asses of mostly married men bloody, then pissing on them. No. I have no objection to the practice of prostitution. It is just amusing to see how people want it legalized. It can't be fully legalized. The best you can hope for are legal brothels AND illegal ones where women are held in captivity (but taxes are paid) AND the casual week ender whoring for extra money, (no taxes are paid).
 
Nobody said it can be perfect, or that victimization will cease. Again, non sequitur. Everyday people should have an option for doing this legally.
If a legal way could just be figured out. Otherwise whores won't have to worry about the popo shaking them down. Health department inspectors will be collecting fees and fines. Instead of a couple of city cops, the IRS will be confiscating their beds for taxes.
 
If a legal way could just be figured out. Otherwise whores won't have to worry about the popo shaking them down. Health department inspectors will be collecting fees and fines. Instead of a couple of city cops, the IRS will be confiscating their beds for taxes.
I'm sure we can figure out how to give law-abiding citizens a way to legally pay for sex. ;)
 
Yeah, it won't be perfect, but everyday Joe will have a way to pay for sex without risking going to jail and being labeled a criminal.

Also a lot of tax money can be generated from it.
You are very young. You have no understanding of the way the world really works.

NEVER, EVER, underestimate the power of a bureaucrat to totally fuck things up. Once having fucked it up, the entire bureaucracy will bring all force to keep it from becoming unfucked.

There was once a time where it was unfair for drug kingpins to sell poison and then buy yachts, luxury cars and walled estates on the money illegally gained. That money should go to the people. Who was to know that this would become stealing Grandma's pension right out of her change purse?
 
You are very young. You have no understanding of the way the world really works.

NEVER, EVER, underestimate the power of a bureaucrat to totally fuck things up. Once having fucked it up, the entire bureaucracy will bring all force to keep it from becoming unfucked.

There was once a time where it was unfair for drug kingpins to sell poison and then buy yachts, luxury cars and walled estates on the money illegally gained. That money should go to the people. Who was to know that this would become stealing Grandma's pension right out of her change purse?

Hey...

I don't think there's much else for us to do here but go in circles, but I will recognize you as somebody that thinks, even though we have some big disagreements. Have a nice day.
 

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