JoeB131
Diamond Member
You're right. It's everyone else's fault. Glad I helped.
Hey, Give Mac some credit. He's managed to get Conservatives and Liberals to agree he's a pompous ass.
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You're right. It's everyone else's fault. Glad I helped.
Sure, back when Obama was in office and you agreed with my criticisms, all was well and Mac was reasonable. The Regressive Lefties concluded I was a fraud and actually a hardcore right winger. Now Trump is in office and I have different criticisms, so suddenly everything about me changes. I'm a big ol' commie Hitler Nazi Marxist now.Indeed. That sentence is as vile, hateful, ugly and vulgar as anything you'll see here.So why have you guys changed the subject from a decay in our political discourse, which has been a decades-long process, to the violence we have been seeing over the last few weeks?The violence in America right now in many major cities is overwhelmingly coming from the far left. That is not even a debatable point. But idiot Dims in the media and Congress say don't believe your eyes, believe us.
Nobody is buying that shit. 76% of Americans are saying the violent protest are out of hand. The 24% not admitting it are liars or anarchists.
Okay, I'm just kidding, I know why. It's because you guys have no idea how to have a rational, honest, intelligent conversation about complicated issues.
Mac & Cheese saying people aren't nice enough in their political discourse. Pot meet kettle. Read your last sentence. Is that what you're talking about?
The massive hypocrisy is duly noted.
I'm pleased that you feel you have to stretch that far to make a "point".
Be what you are. I'm certainly not trying to change people like you.
I am intellectually honest. I have no problem conceding a valid point. You were the same imho. I enjoyed having discussions with you.
That is gone in my opinion. Many in this thread have told you the same. They were not being unkind to you. I am not being unkind to you. It is an honest opinion given to you by people who held you in some regard.
When you are told this your general response is condescending or very snarky or flatly dismissive. You don't have to agree with anyone, but your discourse has changed. If you want more civil discourse maybe you can start with that like you use to do. You might be surprised how people responded back.
Meanwhile, none of my positions on the issues have changed.
You guys somehow don't see how obvious, and comical, this is.
You're right. It's everyone else's fault. Glad I helped.
Just the nutters.Sure, back when Obama was in office and you agreed with my criticisms, all was well and Mac was reasonable. The Regressive Lefties concluded I was a fraud and actually a hardcore right winger. Now Trump is in office and I have different criticisms, so suddenly everything about me changes. I'm a big ol' commie Hitler Nazi Marxist now.Indeed. That sentence is as vile, hateful, ugly and vulgar as anything you'll see here.So why have you guys changed the subject from a decay in our political discourse, which has been a decades-long process, to the violence we have been seeing over the last few weeks?The violence in America right now in many major cities is overwhelmingly coming from the far left. That is not even a debatable point. But idiot Dims in the media and Congress say don't believe your eyes, believe us.
Nobody is buying that shit. 76% of Americans are saying the violent protest are out of hand. The 24% not admitting it are liars or anarchists.
Okay, I'm just kidding, I know why. It's because you guys have no idea how to have a rational, honest, intelligent conversation about complicated issues.
Mac & Cheese saying people aren't nice enough in their political discourse. Pot meet kettle. Read your last sentence. Is that what you're talking about?
The massive hypocrisy is duly noted.
I'm pleased that you feel you have to stretch that far to make a "point".
Be what you are. I'm certainly not trying to change people like you.
I am intellectually honest. I have no problem conceding a valid point. You were the same imho. I enjoyed having discussions with you.
That is gone in my opinion. Many in this thread have told you the same. They were not being unkind to you. I am not being unkind to you. It is an honest opinion given to you by people who held you in some regard.
When you are told this your general response is condescending or very snarky or flatly dismissive. You don't have to agree with anyone, but your discourse has changed. If you want more civil discourse maybe you can start with that like you use to do. You might be surprised how people responded back.
Meanwhile, none of my positions on the issues have changed.
You guys somehow don't see how obvious, and comical, this is.
You're right. It's everyone else's fault. Glad I helped.
Just the nutters.
The rest of America - the majority - are decent people.
No shit...He piously decries "wingers" while having thrown in with the very worst of them.I've tried to impress that very same thing on him many times... he's denied it.There used to be a fellow around here called Mac1958 who showed promise by way of understanding this, but then he caught the TDS virus and turned all woke. I miss the days when this fellow talked about the way the left assigns various identities to classes of either oppressor or oppressed and then reacted to these assumptions accordingly. Nowadays, he is one of the chief practitioners of this very process.
I have as well. Mac and I had many discussions, most worthwhile and useful. That person is gone. He denies it, but TDS has erased all rationality. Now he is one of the worst marginalized hacks on the board.
And Mac, I breathlessly await your thanks or funny to this post.
Once again giving evidence to my oft made observation that self-awareness is completely absent from the left.
Meanwhile, none of my positions on the issues have changed.
You guys somehow don't see how obvious, and comical, this is.
None of my positions have changed. I'm simply done burning time on asymmetrical conversations. They're boring.Meanwhile, none of my positions on the issues have changed.
You guys somehow don't see how obvious, and comical, this is.
Not true. Earlier in this thread I posted your exact words -- the sort of words that are now eliciting accusations from you that a person is a "Trumpster"
You establish such a false dichotomy when you assign this derogatory term to the rejection of BLM or ANTIFA.
At some point, a person needs to question whether you are wanting to discuss issues or simply posit yourself as somehow superior. There are some very intelligent people posting on this thread capable of articulating their thoughts with a good deal of skill, yet all you do is treat them as if members of a group rather than as individuals. Quite frankly, this says more about your own lack of intellectual clarity than it does theirs as you are the one who is actually dealing in binary rather than them.
None of my positions have changed. I'm simply done burning time on asymmetrical conversations. They're boring.
And I have to say, you think a lot more about me than I do about you. So, thanks, I guess.
However, I have noticed that you've made a mockery of your screen name since Trump was elected.
Super!None of my positions have changed. I'm simply done burning time on asymmetrical conversations. They're boring.
And I have to say, you think a lot more about me than I do about you. So, thanks, I guess.
However, I have noticed that you've made a mockery of your screen name since Trump was elected.
I do not indulge in 24/7 anti-Trump hysteria, true.
If you lack the wherewithal to figure out that this displays a lack of dogmatism rather than a surfeit thereof, that speaks more of you than it does me.
My position has remained the same since he was elected. I do not like Trump, but I find the knee jerk reaction AGAINST Trump to be more of a problem than Trump, himself. Watching the enormous apparatus of our media and the Democratic party apply itself with the singular purpose of deposing the man is a far greater threat to our principles than the man, himself.
No shit...He piously decries "wingers" while having thrown in with the very worst of them.I've tried to impress that very same thing on him many times... he's denied it.There used to be a fellow around here called Mac1958 who showed promise by way of understanding this, but then he caught the TDS virus and turned all woke. I miss the days when this fellow talked about the way the left assigns various identities to classes of either oppressor or oppressed and then reacted to these assumptions accordingly. Nowadays, he is one of the chief practitioners of this very process.
I have as well. Mac and I had many discussions, most worthwhile and useful. That person is gone. He denies it, but TDS has erased all rationality. Now he is one of the worst marginalized hacks on the board.
And Mac, I breathlessly await your thanks or funny to this post.
Once again giving evidence to my oft made observation that self-awareness is completely absent from the left.
If only you understood irony. You rat people became exactly like the 'leftists'. Completely lacking self awareness. Too afraid to call out those of your own tribe. Exactly the same. Different sides of the same shit pile.
None of my positions have changed. I'm simply done burning time on asymmetrical conversations. They're boring.
And I have to say, you think a lot more about me than I do about you. So, thanks, I guess.
However, I have noticed that you've made a mockery of your screen name since Trump was elected.
I do not indulge in 24/7 anti-Trump hysteria, true.
If you lack the wherewithal to figure out that this displays a lack of dogmatism rather than a surfeit thereof, that speaks more of you than it does me.
My position has remained the same since he was elected. I do not like Trump, but I find the knee jerk reaction AGAINST Trump to be more of a problem than Trump, himself. The enormous apparatus of our media and the Democratic party apply itself with the singular purpose of deposing the man is a far greater threat to our principles than the man, himself.
I'm glad you two Trumpsters have this all nailed down!None of my positions have changed. I'm simply done burning time on asymmetrical conversations. They're boring.
And I have to say, you think a lot more about me than I do about you. So, thanks, I guess.
However, I have noticed that you've made a mockery of your screen name since Trump was elected.
I do not indulge in 24/7 anti-Trump hysteria, true.
If you lack the wherewithal to figure out that this displays a lack of dogmatism rather than a surfeit thereof, that speaks more of you than it does me.
My position has remained the same since he was elected. I do not like Trump, but I find the knee jerk reaction AGAINST Trump to be more of a problem than Trump, himself. The enormous apparatus of our media and the Democratic party apply itself with the singular purpose of deposing the man is a far greater threat to our principles than the man, himself.
An utterly lost cause. Sad. I am also labelled a Trumpster yet my opinion of Trump has never been solicited. Tell me again who is dogmatic?
Trump is coarse, he is not a personally moral man, and he can be abrasive. I contrast him with Hillary Clinton and the choice was easy in my mind. Ditto Joe Biden who has been in public office for almost 50 years and has never done anything of note other than get elected. He has been wrong in virtually every major policy decision of his career, from Iraq to his push for mass incarceration. He is an empty suit imho.
So in that regard I must be a Trumpster and therefore not worthy of civil discourse. . And yes, I will say again the irony is massive.
None of my positions have changed. I'm simply done burning time on asymmetrical conversations. They're boring.
And I have to say, you think a lot more about me than I do about you. So, thanks, I guess.
However, I have noticed that you've made a mockery of your screen name since Trump was elected.
I do not indulge in 24/7 anti-Trump hysteria, true.
If you lack the wherewithal to figure out that this displays a lack of dogmatism rather than a surfeit thereof, that speaks more of you than it does me.
My position has remained the same since he was elected. I do not like Trump, but I find the knee jerk reaction AGAINST Trump to be more of a problem than Trump, himself. The enormous apparatus of our media and the Democratic party apply itself with the singular purpose of deposing the man is a far greater threat to our principles than the man, himself.
An utterly lost cause. Sad. I am also labelled a Trumpster yet my opinion of Trump has never been solicited. Tell me again who is dogmatic?
Trump is coarse, he is not a personally moral man, and he can be abrasive. I contrast him with Hillary Clinton and the choice was easy in my mind. Ditto Joe Biden who has been in public office for almost 50 years and has never done anything of note other than get elected. He has been wrong in virtually every major policy decision of his career, from Iraq to his push for mass incarceration. He is an empty suit imho.
So in that regard I must be a Trumpster and therefore not worthy of civil discourse. . And yes, I will say again the irony is massive.
the sheer level of dismissiveness when he is incapable of addressing a valid point in undermines any claim about seeking civility.None of my positions have changed. I'm simply done burning time on asymmetrical conversations. They're boring.
And I have to say, you think a lot more about me than I do about you. So, thanks, I guess.
However, I have noticed that you've made a mockery of your screen name since Trump was elected.
I do not indulge in 24/7 anti-Trump hysteria, true.
If you lack the wherewithal to figure out that this displays a lack of dogmatism rather than a surfeit thereof, that speaks more of you than it does me.
My position has remained the same since he was elected. I do not like Trump, but I find the knee jerk reaction AGAINST Trump to be more of a problem than Trump, himself. The enormous apparatus of our media and the Democratic party apply itself with the singular purpose of deposing the man is a far greater threat to our principles than the man, himself.
An utterly lost cause. Sad. I am also labelled a Trumpster yet my opinion of Trump has never been solicited. Tell me again who is dogmatic?
Trump is coarse, he is not a personally moral man, and he can be abrasive. I contrast him with Hillary Clinton and the choice was easy in my mind. Ditto Joe Biden who has been in public office for almost 50 years and has never done anything of note other than get elected. He has been wrong in virtually every major policy decision of his career, from Iraq to his push for mass incarceration. He is an empty suit imho.
So in that regard I must be a Trumpster and therefore not worthy of civil discourse. . And yes, I will say again the irony is massive.
Yikes, stumbled on to this discussion between two guys from opposite ends of the political spectrum, William F. Buckley and Noam Chomsky.
Intelligent, respectful, stimulating, thoughtful disagreement.
So what happened to us? Aside from, "it's all the other tribe's fault"?
Are you actually thinking that your continuous mocking of other posters is convincing anybody that you seek respectful debate?
Yikes, stumbled on to this discussion between two guys from opposite ends of the political spectrum, William F. Buckley and Noam Chomsky.
Intelligent, respectful, stimulating, thoughtful disagreement.
So what happened to us? Aside from, "it's all the other tribe's fault"?
It ended when you idiot Democrats decided to start calling everyone you disagreed with racists and misogynists. That was meant to end discussion. Since then you only are about intimidation to get your way
I don't expect respectful or honest or reasonable debate here any more. Those days are over.It's down right anusing how MacAre you actually thinking that your continuous mocking of other posters is convincing anybody that you seek respectful debate?
I disagree... All I want is the facts. Don't try to do a damn thing with them. Don't leave them out on purpose, don't add what you can't prove. Every station should be TRYING to do this, and they *still* won't come to the same conclusions. But at least then they are trying to be journalists, and a conversation can actually happen.FOX is allowed to be the pressure release for Non Progs by the globalists. Most other modern TV production is Prog agenda motivated.
You do seem a bit "burned out" from what I remember... What... Six, seven years ago? I mean holy hell, you were really good back then. I actually remembered who you were. And to be honest... You are one of only two that I can remember that are still here and posts. You had a positive impact on me.I don't expect respectful or honest or reasonable debate here any more. Those days are over.
It's much easier and far more interesting in real life, where it matters, and that's what I'm talking about.