Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding

[NLT]

So Bodey would be ok if a black bakery had to make a KKK cake ...yea right

 

[martybegan]

You know it was not a case of "winning" anything, right?

You seek to crush civil rights.

You are at war to end 1st Amendment protections of those rights - you certainly seek to win that war.

The civil rights to do what? Discriminate against your fellow law-abiding, tax-paying citizens. How sad to want that to be a "civil right".

Civil rights are about government interaction with its citizens, since when does it involve private interactions?

Again...this was not a private interaction. It would be a private interaction if it was not a public business with a NY state business license.

Public interactions involve government, your definition is just a sad attempt at again, making people do things because you get a rise out of it.

 

[bodecea]

Nobody has been asked or required to provide a service they do not. A cake is a cake. A wedding cake is a wedding cake. Same flour, eggs and sugar.

First off, read the OP - this is not about a cake, it is about forcing unwilling people to violate their religious beliefs and perform a wedding for lesbians.

Now meat is meat - but yet you hesitate to offend your allies by demanding that Muslims be forced to sell pork.

Race, color, nation of origin and religion all have the protection of Public Accommodation laws. It is not suddenly "tyranny" if gays are ALSO protected in SOME places.

There are plenty of places happy to cater to homosexuals - this couple deliberately targeted this farm for the purpose of infringing their rights - to make the point that others have no rights. This isn't the first time, but in fact a pattern.

You've overplayed your hand, and are just now beginning to see the backlash to your war on civil rights.

They were not "performing the wedding." They were providing the venue....which is THEIR BUSINESS, with a NY state business license.

I expect you to then support nazi meetings at black meeting halls.

Support? Legally, I would have to. Have you ever heard of Skokie, Illinois? The KKK legally held a rally in a Jewish neighborhood. This is the same concept of equal treatment, even if you don't like the other guy. Laws are not designed for the easy to comply.

 

[bodecea]

So Bodey would be ok if a black bakery had to make a KKK cake ...yea right

I may not like it, but it would be legal. Why don't you go back to calling your fellow Americans "chimps". You seem to like doing it so much.

 

[bodecea]

You know it was not a case of "winning" anything, right?

You seek to crush civil rights.

You are at war to end 1st Amendment protections of those rights - you certainly seek to win that war.

The civil rights to do what? Discriminate against your fellow law-abiding, tax-paying citizens. How sad to want that to be a "civil right".

Civil rights are about government interaction with its citizens, since when does it involve private interactions?

Again...this was not a private interaction. It would be a private interaction if it was not a public business with a NY state business license.

Public interactions involve government, your definition is just a sad attempt at again, making people do things because you get a rise out of it.

So businesses don't have to follow government laws?

 

[Nosmo King]

NY Farm That Refused To Host Lesbian Wedding Fined $13,000.

You are an advertisement that maybe discriminating against fags isn't entirely a bad idea. It's not like they were Jews, that discrimination would have been OK, wouldn't it gay boy?

Ironically, Kaz, if that couple had done the same thing to a Jewish couple, the state of NY would have fined them just the same.

That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.

Who's in the right? A same sex couple wanting to plan their dream wedding, or an ignorant bigot who thinks he'll be tainted by the sale?

You fundamentally don't understand liberty. Here's a hint, liberty is people making their own choices, not you making it for them. Blows your mind, doesn't it?

As for your question, the "moral" right goes to the former and the "legal" right goes to the latter.

Tell me again how you're against government legislating morality....

Does a bus line have the right to refuse service to any group they find objectionable, even if no one has committed any crimes?

 

[bodecea]

NY Farm That Refused To Host Lesbian Wedding Fined $13,000.

You are an advertisement that maybe discriminating against fags isn't entirely a bad idea. It's not like they were Jews, that discrimination would have been OK, wouldn't it gay boy?

Ironically, Kaz, if that couple had done the same thing to a Jewish couple, the state of NY would have fined them just the same.

That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.

It is EXACTLY the point.

 

[NLT]

So Bodey would be ok if a black bakery had to make a KKK cake ...yea right

I may not like it, but it would be legal. Why don't you go back to calling your fellow Americans "chimps". You seem to like doing it so much.

If they act like Chimps, I call them Chimps. They are not my fellow Americans if the riot and loot.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Gays could not have a wedding at this location prior to the complaint. They cannot have their wedding at this location now. What was gained? What changed? How is it better or even different?

Gays have done nothing except have businesses change some business practices. They still can't get unwilling bakers make their wedding cakes or unwilling photographers make them albums.

Already answered, truth in advertizing and business modeling. If you are going to put yourself out to the public as selling goods 1,2,3 and services X,Y,Z then the law required them to provide the goods and services you say you will offer in a non-discriminatory many as defined by the PA laws. If the business decides not to offer those goods and services to anyone - they can do that.



>>>>

Law?

Now US law rests upon what?

Last time I checked, the US Legal Code was intrinsic to, resting entirely upon: The US Constitution.

The US Constitution sets up the scope of the Federal Government and the terms which the respective states join the union of states the comprise the nation.

Now, within and central to the Constitutional framework which defines the US Government and the terms that define the agreement of the respective states in maintaining their membership within the union... we find stark and specific limitations on government power, enumerated as amendments to the power of the state.

The very FIRST OF WHICH PROVIDES: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Public Accommodation Laws are perfectly alinged with the fundamental laws regarding a cohesive union, right up to the point where they prohibit the free exercise of an individual's religion and their means to speak freely; thus to act freely where that action is reasonably an expression of their political principles.

The enforcement of such laws against individuals who are taking action based upon their religious tenets, and their political principles is unconstitutional. And this without regard to the whimsy of the relativists who 'feel' otherwise, based entirely upon their own subjective needs.

 

[NLT]

So Bodey would be ok if a black bakery had to make a KKK cake ...yea right

I may not like it, but it would be legal. Why don't you go back to calling your fellow Americans "chimps". You seem to like doing it so much.

If they act like Chimps, I call them Chimps. They are not my fellow Americans if they riot and loot.

 

[bodecea]

So Bodey would be ok if a black bakery had to make a KKK cake ...yea right

I may not like it, but it would be legal. Why don't you go back to calling your fellow Americans "chimps". You seem to like doing it so much.

If they act like Chimps, I call them Chimps. They are not my fellow Americans if the riot and loot.

I have never read about chimps rioting and looting.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So Bodey would be ok if a black bakery had to make a KKK cake ...yea right

I may not like it, but it would be legal. Why don't you go back to calling your fellow Americans "chimps". You seem to like doing it so much.

If they act like Chimps, I call them Chimps. They are not my fellow Americans if the riot and loot.

LOL! They're worse than chimps. Chimps were not endowed with the means to reason and subsequently turned their back on that gift.

They're sub-human thugs, who desperately need to be slaughtered in the streets.

Screw them to death for what they're doing. And my comments have nothing to do with race... if that were my town, I'd gun down the white idiots within precisely the same soundly reasoned moral justification.

If they're threatening the lives and livelihoods of innocent people, they need to be destroyed.

PERIOD!​

 

[bodecea]

So Bodey would be ok if a black bakery had to make a KKK cake ...yea right

I may not like it, but it would be legal. Why don't you go back to calling your fellow Americans "chimps". You seem to like doing it so much.

If they act like Chimps, I call them Chimps. They are not my fellow Americans if the riot and loot.

LOL! They're worse than chimps. Chimps were not endowed with the means to reason and subsequently turned their back on that gift.

They're sub-human thugs, who desperately need to be slaughtered in the streets.

Screw them to death for what they're doing. And my comments have nothing to do with race... if that were my town, I'd gun down the white idiots within precisely the same soundly reasoned moral justification.

If they're threatening the lives and livelihoods of innocent people, they need to be destroyed.

PERIOD!​

I have absolutely no idea why the RW has this reputation for being racist.

 

[kaz]

You are an advertisement that maybe discriminating against fags isn't entirely a bad idea. It's not like they were Jews, that discrimination would have been OK, wouldn't it gay boy?

Ironically, Kaz, if that couple had done the same thing to a Jewish couple, the state of NY would have fined them just the same.

That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.

Who's in the right? A same sex couple wanting to plan their dream wedding, or an ignorant bigot who thinks he'll be tainted by the sale?

You fundamentally don't understand liberty. Here's a hint, liberty is people making their own choices, not you making it for them. Blows your mind, doesn't it?

As for your question, the "moral" right goes to the former and the "legal" right goes to the latter.

Tell me again how you're against government legislating morality....

Does a bus line have the right to refuse service to any group they find objectionable, even if no one has committed any crimes?

Didn't follow my post, did you Rover? BTW, the bus line didn't refuse service to anyone, government forced them to discriminate against blacks. They were actually against it, blacks were their best customers. You got anything actually regarding the point I made?

 

[kaz]

NY Farm That Refused To Host Lesbian Wedding Fined $13,000.

You are an advertisement that maybe discriminating against fags isn't entirely a bad idea. It's not like they were Jews, that discrimination would have been OK, wouldn't it gay boy?

Ironically, Kaz, if that couple had done the same thing to a Jewish couple, the state of NY would have fined them just the same.

That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.

It is EXACTLY the point.

My point was to the queer Muslim, I can only do so much for your inability to process a point logically, and I've done it. Comprehension is up to you.

 

[bodecea]

NY Farm That Refused To Host Lesbian Wedding Fined $13,000.

You are an advertisement that maybe discriminating against fags isn't entirely a bad idea. It's not like they were Jews, that discrimination would have been OK, wouldn't it gay boy?

Ironically, Kaz, if that couple had done the same thing to a Jewish couple, the state of NY would have fined them just the same.

That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.

It is EXACTLY the point.

My point was to the queer Muslim, I can only do so much for your inability to process a point logically, and I've done it. Comprehension is up to you.

And I turned your point right back at you. Sorry that I had to do it to you....but it is a fact.

 

[kaz]

You are an advertisement that maybe discriminating against fags isn't entirely a bad idea. It's not like they were Jews, that discrimination would have been OK, wouldn't it gay boy?

Ironically, Kaz, if that couple had done the same thing to a Jewish couple, the state of NY would have fined them just the same.

That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.

It is EXACTLY the point.

My point was to the queer Muslim, I can only do so much for your inability to process a point logically, and I've done it. Comprehension is up to you.

And I turned your point right back at you. Sorry that I had to do it to you....but it is a fact.

That's the thing when you miss the point of a post, what you think is clever is just incoherent babbling.

 

[Katzndogz]

Gays could not have a wedding at this location prior to the complaint. They cannot have their wedding at this location now. What was gained? What changed? How is it better or even different?

Gays have done nothing except have businesses change some business practices. They still can't get unwilling bakers make their wedding cakes or unwilling photographers make them albums.

Already answered, truth in advertizing and business modeling. If you are going to put yourself out to the public as selling goods 1,2,3 and services X,Y,Z then the law required them to provide the goods and services you say you will offer in a non-discriminatory many as defined by the PA laws. If the business decides not to offer those goods and services to anyone - they can do that.



>>>>

Then you agree. Gays achieved absolutely nothing . They got their names in the paper.

 

[Seawytch]

Nobody has been asked or required to provide a service they do not. A cake is a cake. A wedding cake is a wedding cake. Same flour, eggs and sugar.

First off, read the OP - this is not about a cake, it is about forcing unwilling people to violate their religious beliefs and perform a wedding for lesbians.

Now meat is meat - but yet you hesitate to offend your allies by demanding that Muslims be forced to sell pork.

Race, color, nation of origin and religion all have the protection of Public Accommodation laws. It is not suddenly "tyranny" if gays are ALSO protected in SOME places.

There are plenty of places happy to cater to homosexuals - this couple deliberately targeted this farm for the purpose of infringing their rights - to make the point that others have no rights. This isn't the first time, but in fact a pattern.

You've overplayed your hand, and are just now beginning to see the backlash to your war on civil rights.

They were not "performing the wedding." They were providing the venue....which is THEIR BUSINESS, with a NY state business license.

I expect you to then support nazi meetings at black meeting halls.

If the "black meeting hall" rents to the public, they are subject to the public accommodation laws of the locale. If they are a private club, they aren't.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I have absolutely no idea why the RW has this reputation for being racist.

That you thought his reply racist is exactly why we call you "short bus."