Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding

[Skylar]

question for wytch or one of you libs.

Why would a gay couple want to do business with a baker who does not approve of the gay lifestyle?

Why does that business owner have to express his disapproval? Is a wedding only a legitimate wedding if it has the empremator of a wedding vendor?

Is he the only baker in town? why would you want him to bake your gay cake?

come on, be truthful------------this is all about forcing societal acceptance of gay marriage by taking away freedom of thought and belief.

Surely there was a lunch counter in Selma that would serve black folks. Why would they want to ride busses or eat at restaurants that always told them to sit in the back in deference to the white man?

 

[Skylar]

Why does that business owner have to express his disapproval? Is a wedding only a legitimate wedding if it has the empremator of a wedding vendor?

You have overplayed your hand. Not content with equal rights, you sought instead to impose your beliefs on others through force - you expected public support and are now surprised that the public reviles you.

I support your right to do whatever you please, insofar that you do not infringe the rights of others. Because you have violated the second precept. you lose the support of those who advocate for civil rights.

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

 

[Skylar]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

 

[martybegan]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

 

[Skylar]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

So does the Halal butcher shop sell pork chops to anyone?

Its a simple question.

 

[bodecea]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell pork chops to anyone?

 

[bodecea]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

If someone sells wedding cakes to the public, they cannot discriminate. HOWEVER, if they do not sell wedding cakes to the public, PA (public accomodation) laws do not apply in forcing them to make a wedding cake for anyone.

 

[martybegan]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

So does the Halal butcher shop sell pork chops to anyone?

Its a simple question.

Does a wedding chapel provide same sex marriage weddings? Does a baker provide cakes with groom/groom-bride/bride on top?

What you are arguing is that a pork chop is the same as a beef brisket, i.e. SSM and OSM are the same in every single respect, and one equals the other in both law and practice.

 

[martybegan]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

If someone sells wedding cakes to the public, they cannot discriminate. HOWEVER, if they do not sell wedding cakes to the public, PA (public accomodation) laws do not apply in forcing them to make a wedding cake for anyone.

That assumes a Same sex and opposite sex wedding cake are the same thing. They are not. they are celebrating two unique things.

 

[Skylar]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

So does the Halal butcher shop sell pork chops to anyone?

Its a simple question.

Does a wedding chapel provide same sex marriage weddings? Does a baker provide cakes with groom/groom-bride/bride on top?

What you are arguing is that a pork chop is the same as a beef brisket, i.e. SSM and OSM are the same in every single respect, and one equals the other in both law and practice.

Which chapel are you referring to?

As for the baker, they make cakes. Does the Halal butcher shop sell pork chops? You've avoided my question like it were on fire. Why run if your claims have merit.

Do the Halal butcher shops sell pork chops to *anyone*? Yes or no. We both know the answer. Its just fun to watch you flee from it.

 

[Skylar]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

If someone sells wedding cakes to the public, they cannot discriminate. HOWEVER, if they do not sell wedding cakes to the public, PA (public accomodation) laws do not apply in forcing them to make a wedding cake for anyone.

That assumes a Same sex and opposite sex wedding cake are the same thing. They are not. they are celebrating two unique things.

That assumes that a cake is a cake.

 

[Seawytch]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

If someone sells wedding cakes to the public, they cannot discriminate. HOWEVER, if they do not sell wedding cakes to the public, PA (public accomodation) laws do not apply in forcing them to make a wedding cake for anyone.

That assumes a Same sex and opposite sex wedding cake are the same thing. They are not. they are celebrating two unique things.

A wedding cake is a wedding cake, period. If you bake wedding cakes and your business is in a place with PA laws that ALSO protect gays, you bake the cake. A cake is a cake.

If you don't carry groom/groom or bride/bride toppers, you don't have to buy them...you just bake the ordered cake.

 

[bodecea]

No more so than would be applied to any business that refused to serve Catholics, women or blacks.

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

If someone sells wedding cakes to the public, they cannot discriminate. HOWEVER, if they do not sell wedding cakes to the public, PA (public accomodation) laws do not apply in forcing them to make a wedding cake for anyone.

That assumes a Same sex and opposite sex wedding cake are the same thing. They are not. they are celebrating two unique things.

That assumes a catholic wedding and a jewish wedding are the same thing. They are not. They are celebrating two unique things.

 

[Skylar]

There is a Halal butcher shop in Riverside. Should they be forced to sell me pork chops? Why, or why not?

Do they sell porkchops to other customers, but not you?

Gay wedding cake, straight wedding cake, pork, beef, meat is meat. food is food. Its all what you define as equal.

If someone sells wedding cakes to the public, they cannot discriminate. HOWEVER, if they do not sell wedding cakes to the public, PA (public accomodation) laws do not apply in forcing them to make a wedding cake for anyone.

That assumes a Same sex and opposite sex wedding cake are the same thing. They are not. they are celebrating two unique things.

That assumes a catholic wedding and a jewish wedding are the same thing. They are not. They are celebrating two unique things.

What about a black wedding cake and a white wedding cake. If you only sell 'white wedding cakes', does that mean that its perfectly okay to refuse service to blacks?

I've never known a company to refuse service based on the client that is going to be using it. It would be like a deli making you a sandwich. But only if no Mormons or Czechs get to eat it. Its just....bizarre.

 

[Skylar]

So.....since the thread seems to have been abandoned by some of our more conservative posters, I'll ask the question to anyone:

Do Halal butcher shops sell porkchops to anyone?

 

[Nosmo King]

If I had a business that is open to the public, I'd shelve any animosity toward people who offend me, I would not discriminate. As for my private associations, I have friends whose politics run along the greed inspired, to-hell-with-the -environment, hate and fear people I don't understand, Conservative vein. But we do not discuss politics.

That's the difference between public accommodation and personal associations.

That's good for you. It still doesn't mean the government should be able to punish thought and actions that are 1) not criminal and 2) do not disparately impact a person beyond hurt feelings.

And businesses are not permitted to discriminate if no one has committed a crime and the business does not specifically hurt someone.

Discriminating against homosexuals isn't just for the amusement of the homophobe anymore. It's just plain wrong.

Then every religion is wrong by your logic, and Churches should be forced to accommodate the same thing. If you are going to ignore people's rights and force them to accept something you want them to accept, why stop there?

Just because something is "wrong", then the power of the State must be used to punish these people? That's statism, fascism, and THAT is whats wrong.

The worst thing is its basically bullying, and because you agree with it, you cheer it on. You make me sick.

Going to church, even if that church preaches false doctrine including hatred and fear, is something folks do as a choice for their spiritual well being.

Going to a public business and encountering hatred, fear, bigotry and utter ignorance should NOT be tolerated in a free society.

Businesses open to the public must accommodate that public, unless that individual patron is committing a crime.

Bigoted business owners were a dime a dozen in the Jim Crow south. That was despicable and unjustifiable. Such businesses created, in effect, a group of second class citizens.

Public business means public accommodations. If the bigot behind the counter fails to understand that, then their business license should be revoked.

ok, since wytchey ran away, you tell us why a gay couple would want to do business with a business that does not agree with the gay lifestyle?

Why not buy your cake from a baker that is gay or approves of gay weddings? why would you want to patronize the guy who does not approve of gay weddings?

Availability? Quality? Price?

Why should Gays be forced to accept second best simply because they're Gay? Their money is still green.

The bigot should not hold sway over customers because of his own ignorance.

 

[Nosmo King]

Why does that business owner have to express his disapproval? Is a wedding only a legitimate wedding if it has the empremator of a wedding vendor?

You have overplayed your hand. Not content with equal rights, you sought instead to impose your beliefs on others through force - you expected public support and are now surprised that the public reviles you.

I support your right to do whatever you please, insofar that you do not infringe the rights of others. Because you have violated the second precept. you lose the support of those who advocate for civil rights.

First understand this: I am not Gay. I am an American citizen who will defend my fellow citizens against discrimination. There is simply no rationalization, no justification for an ignorant bigot to create a second class of citizen merely for his own amusement.

Bigots always wrap themselves in a concept that is foreign to them: civil rights. There is no right to belittle, discriminate and marginalized a group of law abiding citizens. There is no "right" to discriminate against folks who are sober, law abiding, mature paying customers simply because they belong to a group you don't understand.

 

[bodecea]

So.....since the thread seems to have been abandoned by some of our more conservative posters, I'll ask the question to anyone:

Do Halal butcher shops sell porkchops to anyone?

When he tried to parade that as an example, I started laughing. Is he really that dumb?

 

[Skylar]

So.....since the thread seems to have been abandoned by some of our more conservative posters, I'll ask the question to anyone:

Do Halal butcher shops sell porkchops to anyone?

When he tried to parade that as an example, I started laughing. Is he really that dumb?

Laughing....."But the Subway sandwich shop clearly refused to change the oil on my car! That's discrimination!'