AI music created for AI listeners(yep, you read it right)

[ozro]

So it seems this guy used AI to create music, posted it to several streaming platforms, and used AI to create bots to stream the music millions of times. Of course he collected the royalty payments. He almost succeeded in getting away with 8 million bucks.
That's why it made the news.
I wonder how many others there are out there.

I honestly don't know if this is the correct forum for this topic, if any of the mods want to move it, it will not hurt my feelings.
I couldn't decide between here, law and justice, current events or humor.

"The songs and listeners were fake, the millions of dollars stole was real." American fraudster earns eight million dollars streaming AI songs that no human has ever listened to

US man pleads guilty to defrauding musicians and music streaming platforms

www.loudersound.com

"Michael Smith generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence and then streamed those fake songs billions of times,” US Attorney Jay Clayton said in a statement posted on the Department of Justice website.

“Although the songs and listeners were fake, the millions of dollars Smith stole was real. Millions of dollars in royalties that Smith diverted from real, deserving artists and rights holders. Smith’s brazen scheme is over, as he stands convicted of a federal crime for his AI-assisted fraud.”

 

[Dorian Mode]

I am a jazz fusion musician and have been following the AI stuff for general interest. AI music is here to stay and will only get better and eventually far surpass what real musicians can do. Most non musicians will never notice that a song was created with AI and only seasoned musicians will notice that a song is AI, because it is too perfect. Sooner or later AI will start humanizing music. I suspect in a few years we will be discussing our favorite AI Bands and artists. Most musicians I know aren't too worried about AI because the real joy of music is playing and creating it, not listening to it. Hear is what I would consider a great song and video completely done by AI. Probably the lyrics are AI generated also.

 

[Harry Dresden]

yea the hard rock songs are pretty good too....

 

[ozro]

After posting this, and thinking about it, I wonder if human musicians might create bots to stream their music to boost their income. Maybe there is already a number of them doing that.

 

[1srelluc]

So what did the guy really steal? He provided a service through his own efforts and got paid. Some entity had to host them.

Just what is a "fake AI song", as it pertains to this case, anyway?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

So it seems this guy used AI to create music, posted it to several streaming platforms, and used AI to create bots to stream the music millions of times. Of course he collected the royalty payments. He almost succeeded in getting away with 8 million bucks.
That's why it made the news.
I wonder how many others there are out there.

I honestly don't know if this is the correct forum for this topic, if any of the mods want to move it, it will not hurt my feelings.
I couldn't decide between here, law and justice, current events or humor.

"The songs and listeners were fake, the millions of dollars stole was real." American fraudster earns eight million dollars streaming AI songs that no human has ever listened to

US man pleads guilty to defrauding musicians and music streaming platforms

www.loudersound.com

"Michael Smith generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence and then streamed those fake songs billions of times,” US Attorney Jay Clayton said in a statement posted on the Department of Justice website.

“Although the songs and listeners were fake, the millions of dollars Smith stole was real. Millions of dollars in royalties that Smith diverted from real, deserving artists and rights holders. Smith’s brazen scheme is over, as he stands convicted of a federal crime for his AI-assisted fraud.”

Brilliant!

 

[ozro]

So what did the guy really steal? He provided a service through his own efforts and got paid. Some entity had to host them.

Just what is a "fake AI song", as it pertains to this case, anyway?

I imagine the streaming platforms don't like paying out.
You have a point though.
I think this actually offers some enterprising computer geek an opportunity. Start a bot service for musicians, for a percentage.

 

[1srelluc]

I for one am glad to see someone get over on the streaming services.

I guess his "crime" was explained to the jury better than that article did.

 

[ozro]

I for one am glad to see someone get over on the streaming services.

I guess his "crime" was explained to the jury better than that article did.

You don't seem to have any empathy for the streaming services....

 

[1srelluc]

You don't seem to have any empathy for the streaming services....

None whatsoever.

 

[Hellokitty]

I imagine the streaming platforms don't like paying out.
You have a point though.
I think this actually offers some enterprising computer geek an opportunity. Start a bot service for musicians, for a percentage.

Not sure but I think the issue isn't the music was AI but it was being streamed by AI bots. Streaming services make money from human listeners.

 

[ozro]

Not sure but I think the issue isn't the music was AI but it was being streamed by AI bots. Streaming services make money from human listeners.

True enough. The charges were related to fraud. They pay artists royalty fees on a per-stream basis. This case seems to establish that they don't pay for non-human listeners.

 

[Dorian Mode]

I for one am glad to see someone get over on the streaming services.

I guess his "crime" was explained to the jury better than that article did.

Me too. The music industry has been screwing over musicians for many decades and is pretty much run like organized crime. Seeing the music industry getting screwed over brings me no tears, that's for sure.

 

[Gary Seven]

I am a jazz fusion musician and have been following the AI stuff for general interest. AI music is here to stay and will only get better and eventually far surpass what real musicians can do. Most non musicians will never notice that a song was created with AI and only seasoned musicians will notice that a song is AI, because it is too perfect. Sooner or later AI will start humanizing music. I suspect in a few years we will be discussing our favorite AI Bands and artists. Most musicians I know aren't too worried about AI because the real joy of music is playing and creating it, not listening to it. Hear is what I would consider a great song and video completely done by AI. Probably the lyrics are AI generated also.

In the 1970's (maybe even the 60's?) Ray Kurzweil designed a computer composer program using musical algorithms derived from several classical and baroque composers. I haven't actually heard the results.

Maybe you already know that Kurzweil is now one of the main AI developers for Google. Since he started doing that he seems to have dropped out of the public eye somewhat. I don't always like him, as I think he truly qualifies as a real life mad scientist, but his work and his ideas are still truly amazing.

 

[Darkwind]

After posting this, and thinking about it, I wonder if human musicians might create bots to stream their music to boost their income. Maybe there is already a number of them doing that.

They would be fools not to be.

 

[MarathonMike]

I am a jazz fusion musician and have been following the AI stuff for general interest. AI music is here to stay and will only get better and eventually far surpass what real musicians can do. Most non musicians will never notice that a song was created with AI and only seasoned musicians will notice that a song is AI, because it is too perfect. Sooner or later AI will start humanizing music. I suspect in a few years we will be discussing our favorite AI Bands and artists. Most musicians I know aren't too worried about AI because the real joy of music is playing and creating it, not listening to it. Hear is what I would consider a great song and video completely done by AI. Probably the lyrics are AI generated also.

I am a performing musician and songwriter and absolutely detest the AI entrance into music generation. To me music should be a purely human endeavor but obviously that ship has sailed.

 

[Dorian Mode]

I am a performing musician and songwriter and absolutely detest the AI entrance into music generation. To me music should be a purely human endeavor but obviously that ship has sailed.

The good thing is AI can't do concerts. I don't think there is anything we can do about AI in music and everywhere else. My hope is that AI forms a political party and competes with the dumocraps and the GOP. AI has the advantage of intelligence, which both parties clearly lack. I am ever starting to think that AI should take over the planet so we don't destroy it.

 

[Gary Seven]

The good thing is AI can't do concerts. I don't think there is anything we can do about AI in music and everywhere else. My hope is that AI forms a political party and competes with the dumocraps and the GOP. AI has the advantage of intelligence, which both parties clearly lack. I am ever starting to think that AI should take over the planet so we don't destroy it.

I think that was a sub-theme of the old Buck Rogers sci-fi series from the late 70's. After Earth is all but destroyed and people are living inside domed cities, world affairs are basically run by computers. It was in the pilot episode that they talked about it.

 

[MarathonMike]

The good thing is AI can't do concerts. I don't think there is anything we can do about AI in music and everywhere else. My hope is that AI forms a political party and competes with the dumocraps and the GOP. AI has the advantage of intelligence, which both parties clearly lack. I am ever starting to think that AI should take over the planet so we don't destroy it.

I would totally be in favor AI bots replacing judges in US courts.

 

[ozro]

I would totally be in favor AI bots replacing judges in US courts.

Would an AI judge overturn this decision?