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Hey Morty. I don’t hate Israel and I don’t hate Jews, but I do hate Bibi.
If he can’t stop expanding settlements, hating on Muslims and killing children, then it might be time to cut off those 3 billion dollar welfare payments.
You expect Israel to do nothing when Palestinians fire rockets into their state?
Or you expect them to only hurt the bad guys because you fantasize that our smart wpns would only hurt the bad guys and not the good guys like they do in video games. Its not a video game.

Nothing wrong with building homes for people to live in who buy their homes with the proper permits. Homesteading is illegal and the Palestinians keep trying to push out the jews by homesteading.

i didn’t say Israel should do nothing and duh - they have a right to defend themselves.But this isn’t a fair fight. US paid high tech vs virtually blind XL bottle rockets. The death toll is always 15-20 times worse for Gaza and don’t even talk about property damage.
Why does it have to be a fair fight? Would you be happier if the death toll and property damage was the same on both sides?

You make no sense

I’d be happier if the US would come to grips with reality and take them off the dole until they can put a decent leader in place. And if we started realizing that this conflict between Muslims and Jews has been going on for hundreds of years. What good has the US done?
That has nothing to do with the comment you made that I replied to.

You were complaining about it not being a fair fight, right? Why?
Bibi’s motto is a head for an eye. He’s never happy with mere proportional responses. And he just took out one of their tallest buildings being used primarily by journalists from AP, Al Jazeera and other legit outfits. He gave them one fucking hour to clear out and they lost millions in equipment. Is this how you get the world on your side? :confused-84:
Why should the response be proportional? If America was hit by terrorists then I would want America to the hit the terrorists back 10x harder, wouldn’t you?

One hour isn’t enough time to evacuate a building? So what if the AP and Al Jazeera lost equipment? Israel should say we can’t bomb a Hamas bases because the AP’s equipment is there?

They were sharing the building with Hamas terrorists.

Yeah that’s ALWAYS the excuse isn’t it? Someone sees a Hamas individual check into a hospital? Blow up the hospital! And Bibi rarely shares his intel with us. Just take his word for it!

That's hardly how it works. There is evidence that those Hamas headcoraters are many times under shools and hospitals. UNWRA even admitted it. It's not like IDF sees a Hamas guy walking in and decide "this will be a great place for a parking lot". We all know it, so do us a favor...
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?
 

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If we held Israel to the same standards we do for other countries on human rights and expansionism we would have dumped them long ago. Our hypocrisy on this point is the single biggest obstacle to mideast peace. We defend Israel doing the same thing that we criticize others for. The only religious aspect to our dealings with any country is to recognize that religious zealots running a country is dangerous. God could tell them to do anything and we are treaty bound to back them up.
...plain and simple = Israel is defending herself
Israel is not defending itself.
This is just a lie. You can argue Israeli policies started this. I would say it’s a bogus argument, but at least it’s open for debate. But it’s fact that Israel military actions are because of rockets fired into Israel.
This is but the latest shots in a conflict that has been ongoing since before the founding of the Jewish state. The people who started it all are long dead. I blame everyone who can't get past the thirst for vengeance and do the right thing for their people. We are talking about Israel because they have all the power in this situation and are using it badly.
we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently. It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense. You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
Do the Palestinians have the right to self-defense as well? This natural right does not apply when some really poor people are sitting on land or resources someone more powerful wants. Western culture never even develops sympathy for these in-the-way-people until they are practically extinct.
So firing rockets at civilian homes without provocation of violence is something you call self defense?

This is another land grab.. The Israelis attacked the mosque, the Palestinians responded. Now Bibi can justify killing Palestinians ad taking the rest of the Old Muslm Quarter in East Jerusalem.

"The Israelis attacked them mosque"?

Nothing happened to that mosque by the border police, that's a fat lie. Those where the Palestinians who started throwing stones in there and nearly got the place burned down throwing molotovs.

If that's how they treat their holy place, I'd hate to see how they will a place they hate.
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.
 
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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.

Yeah they did attack the mosque..The objective is to take more homes in the old Muslim Quarter in East Jerusalem and kill Palestinians who protest.
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.

Yeah they did attack the mosque..The objective is to take more homes in the old Muslim Quarter in East Jerusalem and kill Palestinians who protest.

"Yeah they did attack the mosque".

provide proof of that, if you may:)
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.

All the rocks were there for the rock throwers. And the fireworks.
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.

All the rocks were there for the rock throwers. And the fireworks.

They call that shaking off. Terrible history.. The Jews are still so damaged from the persecutions ... the Holocaust.. The loss of their rights and citizenship, the brutality and injustice. They justify their treatment of the people who have lived in Palestine since Abraham.
 

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She and her husband, empty nesters with grown children of their own, may have to leave it all behind on Aug. 1. That's when Israel is set to forcibly evict them following a decades-long legal battle waged by ideological Jewish settlers against them and their neighbors.

The Dajanis are one of several Palestinian families facing imminent eviction in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of east Jerusalem. The families' plight has ignited weeks of demonstrations and clashes in recent days between protesters and Israeli police.

 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.

All the rocks were there for the rock throwers. And the fireworks.

They call that shaking off. Terrible history.. The Jews are still so damaged from the persecutions ... the Holocaust.. The loss of their rights and citizenship, the brutality and injustice. They justify their treatment of the people who have lived in Palestine since Abraham.

So the Palestinian were there since Abraham and the Jews just appeared one day, is what you say?

What about the Jewish history in Israel before 1948?
 

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Hey Morty. I don’t hate Israel and I don’t hate Jews, but I do hate Bibi.
If he can’t stop expanding settlements, hating on Muslims and killing children, then it might be time to cut off those 3 billion dollar welfare payments.
You expect Israel to do nothing when Palestinians fire rockets into their state?
Or you expect them to only hurt the bad guys because you fantasize that our smart wpns would only hurt the bad guys and not the good guys like they do in video games. Its not a video game.

Nothing wrong with building homes for people to live in who buy their homes with the proper permits. Homesteading is illegal and the Palestinians keep trying to push out the jews by homesteading.

i didn’t say Israel should do nothing and duh - they have a right to defend themselves.But this isn’t a fair fight. US paid high tech vs virtually blind XL bottle rockets. The death toll is always 15-20 times worse for Gaza and don’t even talk about property damage.
Why does it have to be a fair fight? Would you be happier if the death toll and property damage was the same on both sides?

You make no sense

I’d be happier if the US would come to grips with reality and take them off the dole until they can put a decent leader in place. And if we started realizing that this conflict between Muslims and Jews has been going on for hundreds of years. What good has the US done?
That has nothing to do with the comment you made that I replied to.

You were complaining about it not being a fair fight, right? Why?
Bibi’s motto is a head for an eye. He’s never happy with mere proportional responses. And he just took out one of their tallest buildings being used primarily by journalists from AP, Al Jazeera and other legit outfits. He gave them one fucking hour to clear out and they lost millions in equipment. Is this how you get the world on your side? :confused-84:
Why should the response be proportional? If America was hit by terrorists then I would want America to the hit the terrorists back 10x harder, wouldn’t you?

One hour isn’t enough time to evacuate a building? So what if the AP and Al Jazeera lost equipment? Israel should say we can’t bomb a Hamas bases because the AP’s equipment is there?

They were sharing the building with Hamas terrorists.

Yeah that’s ALWAYS the excuse isn’t it? Someone sees a Hamas individual check into a hospital? Blow up the hospital! And Bibi rarely shares his intel with us. Just take his word for it!

That's hardly how it works. There is evidence that those Hamas headcoraters are many times under shools and hospitals. UNWRA even admitted it. It's not like IDF sees a Hamas guy walking in and decide "this will be a great place for a parking lot". We all know it, so do us a favor...

Have we seen Neocon Netty’s intel? No we haven’t sooo ...
56 babies dead in Gazi Israel? Two. Someone needs to school him on proportionality.
Now if he wants to destroy tunnels in and out / at least those away from population centers - fine. Bombs away
 

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The jews are the jews left, in that they turned into Muslim, Christians and some stayed Jewish into the Ottoman Empire in 1354. They others chose to move to Russia, no one forced them out.
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.

All the rocks were there for the rock throwers. And the fireworks.

They call that shaking off. Terrible history.. The Jews are still so damaged from the persecutions ... the Holocaust.. The loss of their rights and citizenship, the brutality and injustice. They justify their treatment of the people who have lived in Palestine since Abraham.

So the Palestinian were there since Abraham and the Jews just appeared one day, is what you say?

What about the Jewish history in Israel before 1948?

Jews were exiled from Jerusalem in 70 AD and didn't return until Omar invited them back in 638 AD. The Jews were a tiny minority until the 1920s.

Long before the birth of Christ most Jews lived in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Rome, Lebanon and Libya NOT in Palestine.
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
:)-

first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.

All the rocks were there for the rock throwers. And the fireworks.

They call that shaking off. Terrible history.. The Jews are still so damaged from the persecutions ... the Holocaust.. The loss of their rights and citizenship, the brutality and injustice. They justify their treatment of the people who have lived in Palestine since Abraham.

So the Palestinian were there since Abraham and the Jews just appeared one day, is what you say?

What about the Jewish history in Israel before 1948?

Jews were exiled from Jerusalem in 70 AD and didn't return until Omar invited them back in 638 AD. The Jews were a tiny minority until the 1920s.

Long before the birth of Christ most Jews lived in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Rome, Lebanon and Libya NOT in Palestine.

Jews were minority, yes, but had history as much as the Arabs did. The war back in 1948 could have been prevented by a peaceful solution.
 

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Hey Morty. I don’t hate Israel and I don’t hate Jews, but I do hate Bibi.
If he can’t stop expanding settlements, hating on Muslims and killing children, then it might be time to cut off those 3 billion dollar welfare payments.
You expect Israel to do nothing when Palestinians fire rockets into their state?
Or you expect them to only hurt the bad guys because you fantasize that our smart wpns would only hurt the bad guys and not the good guys like they do in video games. Its not a video game.

Nothing wrong with building homes for people to live in who buy their homes with the proper permits. Homesteading is illegal and the Palestinians keep trying to push out the jews by homesteading.

i didn’t say Israel should do nothing and duh - they have a right to defend themselves.But this isn’t a fair fight. US paid high tech vs virtually blind XL bottle rockets. The death toll is always 15-20 times worse for Gaza and don’t even talk about property damage.
Why does it have to be a fair fight? Would you be happier if the death toll and property damage was the same on both sides?

You make no sense

I’d be happier if the US would come to grips with reality and take them off the dole until they can put a decent leader in place. And if we started realizing that this conflict between Muslims and Jews has been going on for hundreds of years. What good has the US done?
That has nothing to do with the comment you made that I replied to.

You were complaining about it not being a fair fight, right? Why?
Bibi’s motto is a head for an eye. He’s never happy with mere proportional responses. And he just took out one of their tallest buildings being used primarily by journalists from AP, Al Jazeera and other legit outfits. He gave them one fucking hour to clear out and they lost millions in equipment. Is this how you get the world on your side? :confused-84:
Why should the response be proportional? If America was hit by terrorists then I would want America to the hit the terrorists back 10x harder, wouldn’t you?

One hour isn’t enough time to evacuate a building? So what if the AP and Al Jazeera lost equipment? Israel should say we can’t bomb a Hamas bases because the AP’s equipment is there?

They were sharing the building with Hamas terrorists.

Yeah that’s ALWAYS the excuse isn’t it? Someone sees a Hamas individual check into a hospital? Blow up the hospital! And Bibi rarely shares his intel with us. Just take his word for it!

That's hardly how it works. There is evidence that those Hamas headcoraters are many times under shools and hospitals. UNWRA even admitted it. It's not like IDF sees a Hamas guy walking in and decide "this will be a great place for a parking lot". We all know it, so do us a favor...

Have we seen Neocon Netty’s intel? No we haven’t sooo ...
56 babies dead in Gazi Israel? Two. Someone needs to school him on proportionality.
Now if he wants to destroy tunnels in and out / at least those away from population centers - fine. Bombs away

Israel has a much better defense system.

And that's the thing, hamas intentionally builds those tunnles in populated areas.
 

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we’re talking about current events and Israel’s military operations currently.
The Israelis are using this opportunity to do what they have always wanted, to murder as many Palestinians as possible wherever and whenever they can
It’s a fact that they are a direct result of rockets being fired into Israel, which is by definition self defense.
Murdering is not self defense
You should say you misspoke otherwise you are lying. Period.
I am not lying. I have provided lots of direct evidence of IDF snipers murdering Palestinian children. If you call this self-defense, then you are lying to yourself and the blood of these children is on your hands.
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first, targeting Hamas is not murdering.

Laws of war say something very simple. Once a civilian target is being used as a non civilian target, meaning, once your launch rockets from schools, civilian homes, once you turn your home, where your wife and children are, into a military base, then it's no longer a civilian home, it's a legitimate target.

Once you keep your wives and children close to you in those homes, trusting that the enemy won't attack you because of it, then you're not an innocent party, you're a plain old murderer (and quite the asshole). You can check and see that in all those "targeted civilian hits" by Israel, the family was and belonged to a high-profile Hamas terrorist.

That's one thing. Also, Israel uses the "tap the roof" tactis, and it's the ONLY state that does it. In no other place in the world people bother to warn the civilians to evacuate a place before bombing it. Did the 6 year old playing in his room got a warning before he was blown to bits? how about the 87 year old woman who couldn't get fast enough to the bomb shelter?

You mean like Israel attacking the AlAqsa Mosque?

Israel did not attack the Al-Aqsa mosque. The mosque is safer in hands of the Israeli police than in the hands of the stone throwers and arsonists.

All the rocks were there for the rock throwers. And the fireworks.

They call that shaking off. Terrible history.. The Jews are still so damaged from the persecutions ... the Holocaust.. The loss of their rights and citizenship, the brutality and injustice. They justify their treatment of the people who have lived in Palestine since Abraham.

So the Palestinian were there since Abraham and the Jews just appeared one day, is what you say?

What about the Jewish history in Israel before 1948?

Jews were exiled from Jerusalem in 70 AD and didn't return until Omar invited them back in 638 AD. The Jews were a tiny minority until the 1920s.

Long before the birth of Christ most Jews lived in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Rome, Lebanon and Libya NOT in Palestine.

Jews were minority, yes, but had history as much as the Arabs did. The war back in 1948 could have been prevented by a peaceful solution.

The population of Palestine doubled in 15 years with Jewish refugees from Europe and Russia beginning about 1920. The Palestinians had no voice in 1948.. and the Jews were furious that they didn't get Jordan..Read Chaim Wiesmann. They were ruthless with no regard for the Arabs who had lived there since long before Islam. any if not most of the refugees were socialist if not outright Bolsheviks,

The Brits just wanted to get out.. The Jewish terror gangs had already killed over 500 British Peacekeepers. So much for a peaceful solution.
 

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