If we banned all guns

[Spoonman]

300,000,000 guns. No way to confiscate them all. The Assault Weapons Ban did nothing because the gun lobby insisted on arguing meaningless cosmetics rather than the real problem; the firing and loading systems. The genie is out of the bottle.

Now, gun nuts will tell you that they are armed and ready to fight the government. You know, the Timothy McVeigh argument. Gun nuts will tell you that it is their absolute right to own guns designed for warfare, fitted with semi-automatic firing systems and high capacity ammunition magazines. Presumably, those weapons are absolutely necessary for the upcoming fight against their sons and daughters enlisted in the United States Armed Forces. Or because the gun nuts are fantasizing about being Dirty Harry and fighting off all the bad guys at once. Or they will say that such weapons are needed to shoot the bad guy in a theater or on a playground, as if those venues packed with innocents are the places poorly trained 'marksmen' should spray more bullets around.

The gun nuts will tell you that there are no solutions to the national problem of gun violence. Why? Because they lack the imagination to divine one or they see no connection between guns and gun violence. They will tell you that law abiding citizens own guns and when those guns are used to take lives, those citizens are no longer law abiding and to cast aspersions on the law abiding is an infringement on their rights to own assault weapons.

Oh! And there is no such thing as an assault weapon! They'll dip a toe in the shallow pool of semantics to rationalize their gun lust.

Some folks have pleasant experiences with guns. Like little boys who have graduated from firecrackers, they love pumping out lead. But some folks have had tragic experiences with guns loosing sons, daughters and spouses to gun violence. But those unfortunate souls have no right to speak out about the gun nut's rights. It's intractability at its worst.

So, if you listen to the gun nuts, there's no solution to gun violence. And that's tantamount to saying that their right to own deadly weapons trumps the public's right to health and safety. Listen to the gun nuts. They'll tell you that we must accept the plague of gun violence as the cost of their lust for guns.

and if we listened to gun grabbers we'd use yet another constituiotnal right.

 

[Nosmo King]

300,000,000 guns. No way to confiscate them all. The Assault Weapons Ban did nothing because the gun lobby insisted on arguing meaningless cosmetics rather than the real problem; the firing and loading systems. The genie is out of the bottle.

Now, gun nuts will tell you that they are armed and ready to fight the government. You know, the Timothy McVeigh argument. Gun nuts will tell you that it is their absolute right to own guns designed for warfare, fitted with semi-automatic firing systems and high capacity ammunition magazines. Presumably, those weapons are absolutely necessary for the upcoming fight against their sons and daughters enlisted in the United States Armed Forces. Or because the gun nuts are fantasizing about being Dirty Harry and fighting off all the bad guys at once. Or they will say that such weapons are needed to shoot the bad guy in a theater or on a playground, as if those venues packed with innocents are the places poorly trained 'marksmen' should spray more bullets around.

The gun nuts will tell you that there are no solutions to the national problem of gun violence. Why? Because they lack the imagination to divine one or they see no connection between guns and gun violence. They will tell you that law abiding citizens own guns and when those guns are used to take lives, those citizens are no longer law abiding and to cast aspersions on the law abiding is an infringement on their rights to own assault weapons.

Oh! And there is no such thing as an assault weapon! They'll dip a toe in the shallow pool of semantics to rationalize their gun lust.

Some folks have pleasant experiences with guns. Like little boys who have graduated from firecrackers, they love pumping out lead. But some folks have had tragic experiences with guns loosing sons, daughters and spouses to gun violence. But those unfortunate souls have no right to speak out about the gun nut's rights. It's intractability at its worst.

So, if you listen to the gun nuts, there's no solution to gun violence. And that's tantamount to saying that their right to own deadly weapons trumps the public's right to health and safety. Listen to the gun nuts. They'll tell you that we must accept the plague of gun violence as the cost of their lust for guns.

and if we listened to gun grabbers we'd use yet another constituiotnal right.

And so we learn that we are, in fact, engaged in a suicide pact via the second amendment. We have a genuine problem with gun violence, but there's not one damn thing we can do about it but ride the wave all the way to the coroner's inquest.

 

[sameech]

People are making their own bullets now! Jeez Louise, how stupid do you think people are? Instead of drug labs, we'll have ammunition labs.

They are making them because the materials are legal. Make it harder to get the materials, and guns go the way of the betamax--sure there are still some around, but good luck finding a movie released on them in over a generation. As for the other part, I think people are very stupid which is why they will not only pay for the gun manufacturer's lobbyist, but will buy their bullshit by the truckload too.

 

[sameech]

making a bullet is easy as hell. actually making a gun is easy as hell too

Not when gunpowder is no longer easily gettable. We can even outlaw matches and fireworks too, and that pretty much will be the ballgame for most people. If you are willing to chance losing your privilege to have firearms by defending the right of wealthy range queens to drop bricks of ammo out of their $10K rifles at their paper deer, then that is your decision to make.

 

[The Rabbi]

300,000,000 guns. No way to confiscate them all. The Assault Weapons Ban did nothing because the gun lobby insisted on arguing meaningless cosmetics rather than the real problem; the firing and loading systems. The genie is out of the bottle.

Now, gun nuts will tell you that they are armed and ready to fight the government. You know, the Timothy McVeigh argument. Gun nuts will tell you that it is their absolute right to own guns designed for warfare, fitted with semi-automatic firing systems and high capacity ammunition magazines. Presumably, those weapons are absolutely necessary for the upcoming fight against their sons and daughters enlisted in the United States Armed Forces. Or because the gun nuts are fantasizing about being Dirty Harry and fighting off all the bad guys at once. Or they will say that such weapons are needed to shoot the bad guy in a theater or on a playground, as if those venues packed with innocents are the places poorly trained 'marksmen' should spray more bullets around.

The gun nuts will tell you that there are no solutions to the national problem of gun violence. Why? Because they lack the imagination to divine one or they see no connection between guns and gun violence. They will tell you that law abiding citizens own guns and when those guns are used to take lives, those citizens are no longer law abiding and to cast aspersions on the law abiding is an infringement on their rights to own assault weapons.

Oh! And there is no such thing as an assault weapon! They'll dip a toe in the shallow pool of semantics to rationalize their gun lust.

Some folks have pleasant experiences with guns. Like little boys who have graduated from firecrackers, they love pumping out lead. But some folks have had tragic experiences with guns loosing sons, daughters and spouses to gun violence. But those unfortunate souls have no right to speak out about the gun nut's rights. It's intractability at its worst.

So, if you listen to the gun nuts, there's no solution to gun violence. And that's tantamount to saying that their right to own deadly weapons trumps the public's right to health and safety. Listen to the gun nuts. They'll tell you that we must accept the plague of gun violence as the cost of their lust for guns.

OK, genius. So you admit it is imposible to get rid of 300m guns in this country.
So what is your solution? Because everythig proposed by the Left has been a total failure

 

[Little-Acorn]

If we banned all guns


....then only outlaws would have guns.

(How many times do the blinders-on gun-ban fanatics need to be told this?)

 

[Iceweasel]

And so we learn that we are, in fact, engaged in a suicide pact via the second amendment. We have a genuine problem with gun violence, but there's not one damn thing we can do about it but ride the wave all the way to the coroner's inquest.

We learned no such thing. My guns aren't violent and I can prevent myself from going to the morgue. So much wrong in so few words!

 

[Katzndogz]

It really is lunacy. The same people who can't stop drugs and knock off handbags from coming into the country think they are going to stop guns and ammunition from coming into the country.

 

[The Rabbi]

People are making their own bullets now! Jeez Louise, how stupid do you think people are? Instead of drug labs, we'll have ammunition labs.

They are making them because the materials are legal. Make it harder to get the materials, and guns go the way of the betamax--sure there are still some around, but good luck finding a movie released on them in over a generation. As for the other part, I think people are very stupid which is why they will not only pay for the gun manufacturer's lobbyist, but will buy their bullshit by the truckload too.

You're gonna ban lead? Good luck with that.

 

[Nosmo King]

300,000,000 guns. No way to confiscate them all. The Assault Weapons Ban did nothing because the gun lobby insisted on arguing meaningless cosmetics rather than the real problem; the firing and loading systems. The genie is out of the bottle.

Now, gun nuts will tell you that they are armed and ready to fight the government. You know, the Timothy McVeigh argument. Gun nuts will tell you that it is their absolute right to own guns designed for warfare, fitted with semi-automatic firing systems and high capacity ammunition magazines. Presumably, those weapons are absolutely necessary for the upcoming fight against their sons and daughters enlisted in the United States Armed Forces. Or because the gun nuts are fantasizing about being Dirty Harry and fighting off all the bad guys at once. Or they will say that such weapons are needed to shoot the bad guy in a theater or on a playground, as if those venues packed with innocents are the places poorly trained 'marksmen' should spray more bullets around.

The gun nuts will tell you that there are no solutions to the national problem of gun violence. Why? Because they lack the imagination to divine one or they see no connection between guns and gun violence. They will tell you that law abiding citizens own guns and when those guns are used to take lives, those citizens are no longer law abiding and to cast aspersions on the law abiding is an infringement on their rights to own assault weapons.

Oh! And there is no such thing as an assault weapon! They'll dip a toe in the shallow pool of semantics to rationalize their gun lust.

Some folks have pleasant experiences with guns. Like little boys who have graduated from firecrackers, they love pumping out lead. But some folks have had tragic experiences with guns loosing sons, daughters and spouses to gun violence. But those unfortunate souls have no right to speak out about the gun nut's rights. It's intractability at its worst.

So, if you listen to the gun nuts, there's no solution to gun violence. And that's tantamount to saying that their right to own deadly weapons trumps the public's right to health and safety. Listen to the gun nuts. They'll tell you that we must accept the plague of gun violence as the cost of their lust for guns.

OK, genius. So you admit it is imposible to get rid of 300m guns in this country.
So what is your solution? Because everythig proposed by the Left has been a total failure

I'll tell you what my solution is, but know this: if everything proposed by "the Left" has been a failure, nothing proposed by "the Right" serves to do anything but add guns to the streets.

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

 

[The Rabbi]

300,000,000 guns. No way to confiscate them all. The Assault Weapons Ban did nothing because the gun lobby insisted on arguing meaningless cosmetics rather than the real problem; the firing and loading systems. The genie is out of the bottle.

Now, gun nuts will tell you that they are armed and ready to fight the government. You know, the Timothy McVeigh argument. Gun nuts will tell you that it is their absolute right to own guns designed for warfare, fitted with semi-automatic firing systems and high capacity ammunition magazines. Presumably, those weapons are absolutely necessary for the upcoming fight against their sons and daughters enlisted in the United States Armed Forces. Or because the gun nuts are fantasizing about being Dirty Harry and fighting off all the bad guys at once. Or they will say that such weapons are needed to shoot the bad guy in a theater or on a playground, as if those venues packed with innocents are the places poorly trained 'marksmen' should spray more bullets around.

The gun nuts will tell you that there are no solutions to the national problem of gun violence. Why? Because they lack the imagination to divine one or they see no connection between guns and gun violence. They will tell you that law abiding citizens own guns and when those guns are used to take lives, those citizens are no longer law abiding and to cast aspersions on the law abiding is an infringement on their rights to own assault weapons.

Oh! And there is no such thing as an assault weapon! They'll dip a toe in the shallow pool of semantics to rationalize their gun lust.

Some folks have pleasant experiences with guns. Like little boys who have graduated from firecrackers, they love pumping out lead. But some folks have had tragic experiences with guns loosing sons, daughters and spouses to gun violence. But those unfortunate souls have no right to speak out about the gun nut's rights. It's intractability at its worst.

So, if you listen to the gun nuts, there's no solution to gun violence. And that's tantamount to saying that their right to own deadly weapons trumps the public's right to health and safety. Listen to the gun nuts. They'll tell you that we must accept the plague of gun violence as the cost of their lust for guns.

OK, genius. So you admit it is imposible to get rid of 300m guns in this country.
So what is your solution? Because everythig proposed by the Left has been a total failure

I'll tell you what my solution is, but know this: if everything proposed by "the Left" has been a failure, nothing proposed by "the Right" serves to do anything but add guns to the streets.

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

What are police departments going to do?
You understand there have been semi auto firearms for about 100 years right?
You realize a hacksaw can take care of barrel length issues pretty easily, right?

So your proposals suck and are totally unrealistic. Let's ask, How many guns have you ever owned?

 

[Little-Acorn]

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

This is the bottom line of all the gun-haters, of course. Ban them all.

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney General, Dec. 10, 1993

Which means that only the people who disobey laws like these gun bans, will have guns. A few drug-money payments to a pliable machinist of your choice, plus a few threats to his family, and the criminals will have all the guns they want.

How can there possibly be any of these gun-ban idiots left, after their cherished theories have been debunked so many times, right in their faces?

How stupid do they have to be, to still believe the tripe they are shovelling?

 

[Nosmo King]

OK, genius. So you admit it is imposible to get rid of 300m guns in this country.
So what is your solution? Because everythig proposed by the Left has been a total failure

I'll tell you what my solution is, but know this: if everything proposed by "the Left" has been a failure, nothing proposed by "the Right" serves to do anything but add guns to the streets.

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

What are police departments going to do?
You understand there have been semi auto firearms for about 100 years right?
You realize a hacksaw can take care of barrel length issues pretty easily, right?

So your proposals suck and are totally unrealistic. Let's ask, How many guns have you ever owned?

You have NO solutions! Your response is to do NOTHING! Except to sling mud on all proposals. And yes, I own a shotgun.

 

[Spoonman]

making a bullet is easy as hell. actually making a gun is easy as hell too

Not when gunpowder is no longer easily gettable. We can even outlaw matches and fireworks too, and that pretty much will be the ballgame for most people. If you are willing to chance losing your privilege to have firearms by defending the right of wealthy range queens to drop bricks of ammo out of their $10K rifles at their paper deer, then that is your decision to make.

uhm, making gun powder is easy as hell

 

[Nosmo King]

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

This is the bottom line of all the gun-haters, of course. Ban them all.

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney General, Dec. 10, 1993

Which means that only the people who disobey laws like these gun bans, will have guns. A few drug-money payments to a pliable machinist of your choice, plus a few threats to his family, and the criminals will have all the guns they want.

How can there possibly be any of these gun-ban idiots left, after their cherished theories have been debunked so many times, right in their faces?

How stupid do they have to be, to still believe the tripe they are shovelling?

What are your solutions? Flood the streets with guns so there can be even more bullets flying around?

Do you think you're Rambo? Have you been so thoroughly inculcated in gun violence by watching insipid action movies to believe that YOU can be the hero, firing well targeted rounds in a crowded theater or a busy playground?

 

[Little-Acorn]

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

....because students, roommates, and bystanders shot with a revolver or two (with speedloaders and/or quick-change cylinders) aren't nearly as "bad" as students, roommates, and bystanders shot by a semi-automatic pistol.

How stupid can these blinders-on gun-ban fanatics be?

 

[Little-Acorn]

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

This is the bottom line of all the gun-haters, of course. Ban them all.

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney General, Dec. 10, 1993

Which means that only the people who disobey laws like these gun bans, will have guns. A few drug-money payments to a pliable machinist of your choice, plus a few threats to his family, and the criminals will have all the guns they want.

How can there possibly be any of these gun-ban idiots left, after their cherished theories have been debunked so many times, right in their faces?

How stupid do they have to be, to still believe the tripe they are shovelling?

Flood the streets with guns so there can be even more bullets flying around?

Do you think you're Rambo? Have you been so thoroughly inculcated in gun violence by watching insipid action movies to believe that YOU can be the hero, firing well targeted rounds in a crowded theater or a busy playground?

One common characteristic of these blinders-on gun-ban fanatics, is that when they are proven wrong, they start ranting hysterically like this.

It's been happening a lot recently.

 

[The Rabbi]

I'll tell you what my solution is, but know this: if everything proposed by "the Left" has been a failure, nothing proposed by "the Right" serves to do anything but add guns to the streets.

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

What are police departments going to do?
You understand there have been semi auto firearms for about 100 years right?
You realize a hacksaw can take care of barrel length issues pretty easily, right?

So your proposals suck and are totally unrealistic. Let's ask, How many guns have you ever owned?

You have NO solutions! Your response is to do NOTHING! Except to sling mud on all proposals. And yes, I own a shotgun.

No, I have solutions. Decriminalize guns. Criminalize actual crimes. Quit publicizing details about mass shooters, which serves to glorify them and encourage others to seek thei 15 minutes by killing people.

 

[Nosmo King]

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

....because students, roommates, and bystanders shot with a revolver or two (with speedloaders and/or quick-change cylinders) aren't nearly as "bad" as students, roommates, and bystanders shot by a semi-automatic pistol.

How stupid can these blinders-on gun-ban fanatics be?

I outlined this type of response a few pages ago. Listen to the gun nuts. they will tell you that everything is unworkable. They think that all solutions must be totally effective and air tight. They simply rationalize that their gun lust trumps all concerns fro public safety. We are indeed engaged in a suicide pact and the gun nuts are calling the tune.

 

[The Rabbi]

First, I propose a TOTAL ban on the manufacture, sale, possession, import, export, trade, swap or bequest of all weapons with semi-automatic firing systems and magazines capable of holding greater than ten rounds. If strawmen can cross state lines and buy mass quantities of such weapons because single states already ban them, make the program national.

A ban on all weapons with barrel lengths shorter than six inches. Ownership of bolt action rifles, pump action shot guns and revolvers should not be interfered with.

This is the bottom line of all the gun-haters, of course. Ban them all.

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney General, Dec. 10, 1993

Which means that only the people who disobey laws like these gun bans, will have guns. A few drug-money payments to a pliable machinist of your choice, plus a few threats to his family, and the criminals will have all the guns they want.

How can there possibly be any of these gun-ban idiots left, after their cherished theories have been debunked so many times, right in their faces?

How stupid do they have to be, to still believe the tripe they are shovelling?

What are your solutions? Flood the streets with guns so there can be even more bullets flying around?

Do you think you're Rambo? Have you been so thoroughly inculcated in gun violence by watching insipid action movies to believe that YOU can be the hero, firing well targeted rounds in a crowded theater or a busy playground?

Yes, the porblem is guns on the street. I'm looking out my office windown now and count at least 15 AK-47s, 20 AR15s and a bunch of Glocks just lying there. Someone is going to trip on them.