Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[ding]

they, jesus is never a jew, judaism's false commandments, hereditary idolatry are indisputable contraventions pertaining the goal set by the heavens for admission to the everlasting -

and for what was their untimely death through jewish incitement jesus would certainly again be in their crosshairs for the same reason their repudiation by jesus they certainly would not purposely seek for a repeat of the judean criminal act.

What religion do you suggest I follow?

 

[Clyde 154]

You’re an idiot. Israel mass murders defenseless civilians and instead of blaming Israel you blame the victims.

You are just another brainwashed establishment supporting dumb MFer.

The victims are the innocent women and children being used as human shields by the cowards. You present EVIL and then attempt to jerk on heartstrings as an excuse for the evil....the typical "mo" of a leftist. Hell you don't even care about the children in the womb.......but you demand tears for the murderers hiding behind children in the M.E? Where is all the outrage for the genocide going on all over Africa under Biden's watchful eye?

What? because they are "black" no tear jerking required? This feigned outage is as queer as a "3" dollar bill............counterfeit as the 15M+ pallets of ballots in 2020, (if they exist, where where they in 2024?) or the supposed Jan. 6 attacks.....which could have been prevented by either the mayor of DC or Fancy Nancy who refused to provide any crowd control when requested 24hrs earlier.

 

[gipper]

The victims are the innocent women and children being used as human shields by the cowards. You present EVIL and then attempt to jerk on heartstrings as an excuse for the evil....the typical "mo" of a leftist. Hell you don't even care about the children in the womb.......but you demand tears for the murderers hiding behind children in the M.E? Where is all the outrage for the genocide going on all over Africa under Biden's watchful eye?

What? because they are "black" no tear jerking required? This feigned outage is as queer as a "3" dollar bill............counterfeit as the 15M+ pallets of ballots in 2020, (if they exist, where where they in 2024?) or the supposed Jan. 6 attacks.....which could have been prevented by either the mayor of DC or Fancy Nancy who refused to provide any crowd control when requested 24hrs earlier.

Why do you hate Muslims and Arabs? Why do you want them murdered?

 

[zaangalewa]

Correct. Jesus' Jewishness was passed on through Mary. His tribe would have passed on through Joseph if he was considered the adoptive father.

You are thinking far too modern now and not in the time of Jesus. Son or adopted son was no difference for Jews (and Romans and Germanics and perhaps much more others if not all others). And if Mary had been a converted Jew then this would had been also no difference. By the way: Perhaps used god the genetic information of Joseph - why should he use another one? Mary and Joseph had been the parents of Jesus who never in his life had been anything else than a Jew.

Here the line of the male forefathers of Jesus: Mt 1,1-17

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The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham was the father of Isaac, and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, and Judah the father of Perez and Zerah by Tamar, and Perez the father of Hezron, and Hezron the father of Ram, and Ram the father of Amminadab, and Amminadab the father of Nahshon, and Nahshon the father of Salmon, and Salmon the father of Boaz by Rahab, and Boaz the father of Obed by Ruth, and Obed the father of Jesse, and Jesse the father of David the king. And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uriah, and Solomon the father of Rehoboam, and Rehoboam the father of Abijah, and Abijah the father of Asaph, and Asaph the father of Jehoshaphat, and Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, and Joram the father of Uzziah, and Uzziah the father of Jotham, and Jotham the father of Ahaz, and Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, and Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, and Manasseh the father of Amos, and Amos the father of Josiah, and Josiah the father of Jechoniah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon. And after the deportation to Babylon: Jechoniah was the father of Shealtiel, and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, and Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, and Abiud the father of Eliakim, and Eliakim the father of Azor, and Azor the father of Zadok, and Zadok the father of Achim, and Achim the father of Eliud, and Eliud the father of Eleazar, and Eleazar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.
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[zaangalewa]

jesus was not or ever a jew ...

What's nonsense.

judaism's false commandments, hereditary idolatry is in the conclusion the barrier jesus was not able for the jews to overcome to free themselves from their religion of servitude and denial.

 

[zaangalewa]

Jesus was Jewish by lineage. But Jesus was chosen by God to be the Savior of the world. Those who claim to be of the Jewish religion (not necessarily of Jewish descent) do not believe that Jesus was the Christ. They continue as if the law of Moses was not fulfilled in Christ. Thus they do not believe in Jesus and thus are not Christians. Jesus was the fulfillment of the law of Moses. The Jewish religion doesn't believe that. Jesus is the Great I AM and Jehovah of the Old Testament. He gave the Jews their law of Moses but later came to fulfill that law with his higher law under a higher priesthood. The Jews accept Jesus' law of Moses but reject Jesus' law of the gospel. Jesus is a Jew by lineage but has fulfilled the old law and is the God of the gospel, the fulfilled law which those of the Jewish religion reject.

... With other words Jesus was a Jew and you are a follower of the way of Jesus. But what have your absurde ideas about Jews to do with what? The Jews do not reject anything since they found out that the Christian religion is another religion and not only a Jewish sect. So why should they reject anything? There is nothing to reject. Jews are Jews and Christians are Christians.

 

[Lisa558]

... With other words Jesus was a Jew and you are a follower of the way of Jesus. But what have your absurde ideas about Jews to do with what? The Jews do not reject anything since they found out that the Christian religion is another religion and not only a Jewish sect. So why should they reject anything? There is nothing to reject. Jews are Jews and Christians are Christians.

Breezewood is so antisemitic that he cannot admit his savior was Jewish.

 

[Clyde 154]

I disapprove all evil and sin.........We are to emulate the Christ (1 Peter 5:11), who was never afraid or concerned about confronting lies and evil when they presented themselves. Jesus called the liars and hypocrites of His day, hypocrites, liars, vipers, serpents....and told them they would go to hell....etc., (Matthew 23:33). Jesus was never tolerant of evil and has declared that its an abomination to God to willfully harm His little children.

DO NOT CONFUSE TRUTH WITH HATE.

 

[BackAgain]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

We are a Jewish sect?

Or maybe not.

One thing we do know, before He was born (at a minimum) His mom was Jewish.

In His life, He was sometimes referred to as “Rabbi.” So I’m pretty sure that He was Jewish.

I suspect His Father was also Jewish. But that puts a whole new spin on whether everyone should be Jewish.

 

[onefour1]

... With other words Jesus was a Jew and you are a follower of the way of Jesus. But what have your absurde ideas about Jews to do with what? The Jews do not reject anything since they found out that the Christian religion is another religion and not only a Jewish sect. So why should they reject anything? There is nothing to reject. Jews are Jews and Christians are Christians.

Yes, to the extent that parts of the law of Moses are still practiced in Christianity, I do practice those parts. Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, ie the Great I AM and Jehovah. It was he who revealed unto Moses the ten commandments and gave them all the laws of the law of Moses. But the law of Moses was a lesser law of God given unto a hard hearted people of the time. Jesus later came and fulfilled the law of Moses. Jesus taught:

Matthew 5:7
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

In the days of Moses, the priesthood that was given unto the people was the Aaronic priesthood which was a lesser priesthood. The people were not worthy of the higher priesthood so the lesser priesthood continued until John the Baptist. Jesus however brought the higher priesthood known as the Melchizedek priesthood and also fulfilled the law of Moses with a higher law that was governed by this priesthood. The Jews do not accept Jesus as the Savior nor to do they accept his law as the higher law of Israel. By lineage Jesus was a Jew and as God it was Jesus who instituted both the law of Moses and the law of the Gospel. I try to be a follower of the higher law which includes much of the lesser law, ie the ten commandments. However, as a Christian, I believe that the Jews should accept the higher law of the gospel and also accept Jesus as their God and Savior. I myself have Jew lineage in my bloodlines.

 

[Clyde 154]

Yes, to the extent that parts of the law of Moses are still practiced in Christianity, I do practice those parts. Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, ie the Great I AM and Jehovah. It was he who revealed unto Moses the ten commandments and gave them all the laws of the law of Moses. But the law of Moses was a lesser law of God given unto a hard hearted people of the time. Jesus later came and fulfilled the law of Moses. Jesus taught:

Matthew 5:7
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

In the days of Moses, the priesthood that was given unto the people was the Aaronic priesthood which was a lesser priesthood. The people were not worthy of the higher priesthood so the lesser priesthood continued until John the Baptist. Jesus however brought the higher priesthood known as the Melchizedek priesthood and also fulfilled the law of Moses with a higher law that was governed by this priesthood. The Jews do not accept Jesus as the Savior nor to do they accept his law as the higher law of Israel. By lineage Jesus was a Jew and as God it was Jesus who instituted both the law of Moses and the law of the Gospel. I try to be a follower of the higher law which includes much of the lesser law, ie the ten commandments. However, as a Christian, I believe that the Jews should accept the higher law of the gospel and also accept Jesus as their God and Savior. I myself have Jew lineage in my bloodlines.

All the eternally righteous laws of God are all carried forth into the New Testament of Jesus Christ...i.e, the 10 commandments. They are easily documented by book, chapter and verse. All are carried forth, save 1......the command to worship on Saturday, the last the day of the week, which was nailed to the cross of Jesus Christ. (Col. 2:16-17) Why no command to observe Saturday as a day of rest for the Christian? Christianity established worship (formal meetings) on Sunday the 1st day of the week. (Cor. 16:2, Acts 20:7)

How is this possible..........Christian worship and doctrine is clearly defined in O.T. prophecy. "Behold the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant (N.T.) with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not according to the covenant I made with their fathers (ancestors) in the day I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt (The Jews were continually breaking the law of Moses and the prophets is why a New covenant was in order), My Covenant which they broke, though I was a husband unto to them, says the Lord." -- Jer. 31:31-34.

The Law and the Prophets covenant was expressly for the nation of Jews only........not for any other nation on earth, Israel was husbanded by God......a unique people among the world's population, no other nation had such laws. Sabbath worship was never commanded before God brought Israel out of Egypt (Deut. 5:2-5, 12-15). There is no record before the law of Moses where anyone was ever commanded to worship on Saturday.....there was no such command for Abraham, Noah, Adam.....etc., 7th day rest is the day God rested from His work of creation (Ex. 20:10).......not man, at least not until God commanded Moses to formally observe a day of rest due to the struggles of previous generations while in Egypt..where they were used as working slaves.

A Christians Sabbath (day of rest) comes after death when we go home to the Lord. (2 Cor. 5:6-8) Until that time we are in a race called life.........as we are to continually strive/labor for that day of rest. (1 Cor. 9:24-27, Heb. 12:1-29)

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes, to the extent that parts of the law of Moses are still practiced in Christianity, I do practice those parts. Jesus was the God of the Old Testament, ie the Great I AM and Jehovah. It was he who revealed unto Moses the ten commandments and gave them all the laws of the law of Moses. But the law of Moses was a lesser law of God given unto a hard hearted people of the time. Jesus later came and fulfilled the law of Moses. Jesus taught:

Matthew 5:7
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

In the days of Moses, the priesthood that was given unto the people was the Aaronic priesthood which was a lesser priesthood. The people were not worthy of the higher priesthood so the lesser priesthood continued until John the Baptist. Jesus however brought the higher priesthood known as the Melchizedek priesthood and also fulfilled the law of Moses with a higher law that was governed by this priesthood. The Jews do not accept Jesus as the Savior nor to do they accept his law as the higher law of Israel. By lineage Jesus was a Jew and as God it was Jesus who instituted both the law of Moses and the law of the Gospel. I try to be a follower of the higher law which includes much of the lesser law, ie the ten commandments. However, as a Christian, I believe that the Jews should accept the higher law of the gospel and also accept Jesus as their God and Savior. I myself have Jew lineage in my bloodlines.

Let me say it this way: A frog who plays banjo is more interesting for me than the number of angles on a needle tip. But I doubt you are a frog, a banjo, a needle or an angel. And you are also no Jew. So do not try to make decisions which are not your decisions. My grandfather had been a Jew. He studied 20 years before he decided to become a Catholic. The main reason why he became a Catholic was totally "unchristian" perhaps also "unjewish". He liked to rest in the same grave as my grandmother - his wife - did do. He liked to be united with her even in the land of the dead - aside from all "laws" which human beings make for other human beings. I would say: Everyone is welcome in the Christian religion. But to become a Christian is always only able to be a free decision. So there are as many reasons as people.



When I was once a prince in Arcadia,
I lived in wealth, splendor and magnificence.
But everything went to hell,
By being killed.
I could easily get over all that,
But one thing I'll never get over:
That she did not meet me then,
For you would have loved me too.

When I was still a prince in Arcadia
When I was still a prince in Arcadia

When I was once a prince in Arcadia
I would have made you a princess.
Now I am only my own shadow;
By being killed.
The best shadow can only give,
What it can give as a shadow:
My shadow heart for you, my life,
O accept it graciously,
The heart of the Prince of Arcadia.

 

[irosie91]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

easy----Jesus did not invent christianity

 

[Picaro]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

They are. The post-Ezra cults aren't real 'Jews', just a Babylonian cult invented by the returning exiles for their own aggrandizement and pocket stuffing. The fake 'Temple' was paid for by the Persians. The 'Oral Torah' a fiction fabricated by the later cults. Only the 'Judaism' of Moses matters, and the written Torah is the real one. Monotheism implies universalism, and the Hebrewism of Moses wasn't limited to just a handful of Hebrews, and certainly not a racist fiction. Christianity is very much a Jewish religion, and is actually older than Rabbinical Judaism and much older than the ridiculous Chasidic cults. Being 'Jewish' was never determined by birth until the Ezra fiction re Babylonians being 'the only pure Jews' was invented to shut out Jews who weren't exiled from any shares of the Temple scam.

Jesus was a reform Rabbi, and his Apostles and disciples continued to attend synagogues, the Temple services, and preach from the Temple steps after his death. It wasn't until later that they were banned from synagogues. The Temple priests kept losing money and power, and tried to murder the Christians whenever possible.

Some modern sects of real Jews that still follow the real Torah are the Samaritans, Kairites, and Madaeans. The Baptists are more Jewish than most of the Orthodox and none of the ultra-Orthodox are real Jews.

 

[irosie91]

But remember, Jews don’t believe he said that.

the "new church" was built by constantine

 

[irosie91]

You are thinking far too modern now and not in the time of Jesus. Son or adopted son was no difference for Jews (and Romans and Germanics and perhaps much more others if not all others). And if Mary had been a converted Jew then this would had been also no difference. By the way: Perhaps used god the genetic information of Joseph - why should he use another one? Mary and Joseph had been the parents of Jesus who never in his life had been anything else than a Jew.

Here the line of the male forefathers of Jesus: Mt 1,1-17

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The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham was the father of Isaac, and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, and Judah the father of Perez and Zerah by Tamar, and Perez the father of Hezron, and Hezron the father of Ram, and Ram the father of Amminadab, and Amminadab the father of Nahshon, and Nahshon the father of Salmon, and Salmon the father of Boaz by Rahab, and Boaz the father of Obed by Ruth, and Obed the father of Jesse, and Jesse the father of David the king. And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uriah, and Solomon the father of Rehoboam, and Rehoboam the father of Abijah, and Abijah the father of Asaph, and Asaph the father of Jehoshaphat, and Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, and Joram the father of Uzziah, and Uzziah the father of Jotham, and Jotham the father of Ahaz, and Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, and Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, and Manasseh the father of Amos, and Amos the father of Josiah, and Josiah the father of Jechoniah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon. And after the deportation to Babylon: Jechoniah was the father of Shealtiel, and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, and Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, and Abiud the father of Eliakim, and Eliakim the father of Azor, and Azor the father of Zadok, and Zadok the father of Achim, and Achim the father of Eliud, and Eliud the father of Eleazar, and Eleazar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations.
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the most compelling evidence that Jesus was a pharisee jew is the fact
that the Romans crucified him

 

[luiza]

Who values life more.............those that hide behind women and children for protection or those who attack those in hiding regardless of outcome?

Exactly .
You are talking about the Israelis and the IDF .
Who then practise their usual Victim propaganda, always blaming others for the tactics and crimes they use and invariably start .
This has been an integral ruse practised by Deep State ( the Jewish elite) from the very beginning .

They even used Mossad in Ukraine to create the same type of False Flags and Fake incidents .
Most notably in Bucha which turned out to be 100% Fake but which Deep State asset Wikipedia still shows as the " Bucha Massacre".
Standard Deep State ( Mossad ) Fakery .

 

[luiza]

the most compelling evidence that Jesus was a pharisee jew is the fact
that the Romans crucified him

But, thanks to Pontius , allowed him to be bought back and revived .
Funny how that bit always gets left out .
But it would ruin the whole script if that emerged .

 

[irosie91]

But, thanks to Pontius , allowed him to be bought back and revived .
Funny how that bit always gets left out .
But it would ruin the whole script if that emerged .

your theory is purely your own. Although there has been some
conjecture that Jesus was not quite dead when taken from the cross
and that he was revived----there is absolutely no evidence that Pilate
would have had something to do with that unlikely scenario. Your
fantasy is not even interesting, a bit amusing. Was JFK also revived?
Lincoln?

 

[zaangalewa]

the most compelling evidence that Jesus was a pharisee jew is the fact
that the Romans crucified him

Besides what we believe this only means he had not been a Roman citizen. The crucifixion was a cruel racist form of capital punishment.