Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[toobfreak]

Judaism was the religion that Jesus practiced.

Well, that is true by necessity since it was the faith of his people he was born into and there were no other choices short of worshiping the graven idols of the Romans.

Christianity is the religion about Jesus.

Christianity is the religion based upon and largely centered in part around the life and influences of Jesus but not necessarily about the man Jesus himself, but rather his role in bringing knowledge of God to humanity. Christianity actually took hold and really began in the 1st century after the death of Jesus as a Judaic sect with Hellenistic influences in the Roman province of Judaea, finally branching off into the six major branches of Christianity around the world known and practiced today.

 

[onefour1]

Jesus was Jewish by lineage. But Jesus was chosen by God to be the Savior of the world. Those who claim to be of the Jewish religion (not necessarily of Jewish descent) do not believe that Jesus was the Christ. They continue as if the law of Moses was not fulfilled in Christ. Thus they do not believe in Jesus and thus are not Christians. Jesus was the fulfillment of the law of Moses. The Jewish religion doesn't believe that. Jesus is the Great I AM and Jehovah of the Old Testament. He gave the Jews their law of Moses but later came to fulfill that law with his higher law under a higher priesthood. The Jews accept Jesus' law of Moses but reject Jesus' law of the gospel. Jesus is a Jew by lineage but has fulfilled the old law and is the God of the gospel, the fulfilled law which those of the Jewish religion reject.

 

[Lisa558]

I just thought that it would make more sense if we were Jewish since we follow Jesus and that would mean that we would follow His religion but now I see that that was just His bloodline.

I can give you the answer from a Jewish perspective, but I’m guessing you are looking for answers from Christians?

 

[ChristisKing]

I can give you the answer from a Jewish perspective, but I’m guessing you are looking for answers from Christians?

Yes but either or is good.

 

[Clyde 154]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

Jesus fulfilled the Jewish Covenant of Moses......we now live in the last days of mankind (Acts 2) under the N.T. covenant of Christ Jesus that was ushered in at the death of Jesus Christ.

"The Law and the Prophets (Jewish Covenant of Moses) where until John (the baptist), since that time the kingdom of God (N.T. of Christ -- Matthew 16) is preached, AND EVERY MAN IS PRESSETH INTO IT." -- Luke 16:16-18

Jesus the man, had to live a perfect sin free life under the Law and the Prophets (Jewish faith) in order to fulfill the requirements of that covenant. "When the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son (Jesus Christ), born of woman, born under THE LAW, to redeem those under the Law........." -- Gal. 4:4

When Jesus uttered the words, "It is finished" -- John 19:30. The Jewish faith was fulfilled, there is no longer any requirement to offer burnt offerings of Goats and Bull at the alter of the Levite Priests to pass sin on from one year to the next..........Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the LAW by becoming the perfect sacrificial lamb of God. (John 1:29).
"I (Jesus) did not come to destroy the LAW (and the prophets), I Am not come to destroy but to FULFILL........" -- Matthew 5:17

 

[alang1216]

Christianity is the religion based upon and largely centered in part around the life and influences of Jesus but not necessarily about the man Jesus himself, but rather his role in bringing knowledge of God to humanity. Christianity actually took hold and really began in the 1st century after the death of Jesus as a Judaic sect with Hellenistic influences in the Roman province of Judaea, finally branching off into the six major branches of Christianity around the world known and practiced today.

According to Paul it is what Jesus did after his death that was important, his resurrection. It was also Paul who separated Christianity from Judaism.

 

[Lisa558]

According to Paul it is what Jesus did after his death that was important, his resurrection. It was also Paul who separated Christianity from Judaism.

That’s basically the Jewish belief (except for the “after death” part).

Jesus had no intention of starting a new religion and getting people to abandon Judaism. It was Paul, who did so after Jesus died.

 

[luiza]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

The bad news is that the bio for Jesus the real man is :-


He was the leader of a radical faction of Essene priests .
He was not of virgin birth .
He did not die on the cross .
He married Mary Magdalene, fathered two sons and a daughter .
He died around 64AD .

Of course that is tosh for Cultists.
Except that thousands of Facts support these assertions .

Start by reading ex Christian , now academic and scholar , Barbara Thiering .
Read her book , Jesus the Man , ( as if , rofl ) and then give me your reaction , Cultists .

 

[Clyde 154]

The bad news is that the bio for Jesus the real man is :-


He was the leader of a radical faction of Essene priests .
He was not of virgin birth .
He did not die on the cross .
He married Mary Magdalene, fathered two sons and a daughter .
He died around 64AD .

Of course that is tosh for Cultists.
Except that thousands of Facts support these assertions .

Start by reading ex Christian , now academic and scholar , Barbara Thiering .
Read her book , Jesus the Man , ( as if , rofl ) and then give me your reaction , Cultists .

Replace "Tosh" with "Bigotry"..........and you are spot on, except where you project that it was Paul who created Christianity......"The disciples (of Christ) were called Christians first in Antioch....." -- Acts 11:26. The Book of Acts was written by the physician LUKE

 

[gipper]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

Do you believe Jesus approves of the genocide of Palestinians by Jews?

 

[Clyde 154]

Do you believe Jesus approves of the genocide of Palestinians by Jews?

God appoints all government authorities........and these governments do not bear the sword in vain. (Romans 13:1-4) If vengeance is required........it belongs to God, not man (Romans 12:9) You might ask another hypothetical concerning an attempt at Got'YA. Do you believe that Jesus would approve of supposed warriors hiding behind women and children during warfare? "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he cast into the sea, than he should offend one of these little ones." -- Luke 17:2

Who values life more.............those that hide behind women and children for protection or those who attack those in hiding regardless of outcome? I say........let them all die and let God sought it out. You want to find somewhere to place your blame? Blame the United Nations resolution 181 of 1947

United Nations Resolution 181 | Palestine, History, Partition, Summary, & Map | Britannica

United Nations Resolution 181 is a resolution passed by the United Nations in 1947 calling for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.

britannica.com

 

[gipper]

God appoints all government authorities........and these governments do not bear the sword in vain. (Romans 13:1-4) If vengeance is required........it belongs to God, not man (Romans 12:9) You might ask another hypothetical concerning an attempt at Got'YA. Do you believe that Jesus would approve of supposed warriors hiding behind women and children during warfare? "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he cast into the sea, than he should offend one of these little ones." -- Luke 17:2

Who values life more.............those that hide behind women and children for protection or those who attack those in hiding regardless of outcome? I say........let them all die and let God sought it out. You want to find somewhere to place your blame? Blame the United Nations resolution 181 of 1947

United Nations Resolution 181 | Palestine, History, Partition, Summary, & Map | Britannica

United Nations Resolution 181 is a resolution passed by the United Nations in 1947 calling for the partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.

britannica.com

If you’re claiming Jesus approves of slaughtering defenseless people because combatants are hiding among them, you’re a fool.

And besides, the human shield’s argument made by dumb uninformed westerns to support murdering vast numbers of innocent civilians, is easily proven inaccurate.

 

[BreezeWood]

Judaism was the religion that Jesus practiced. Christianity is the religion about Jesus.

Fair enough.

jesus

was never a jew ... the 1st century events are the repudiation of their false commandments, heredity idolatry and religious text.

jesus never claimed the precepts of christianity, servitude and denial and gave their life for the opposite purpose - liberation theology, self determination.

 

[Z99]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

Jesus fulfilled Judaism as he is the prophesied Messiah. However, many Jews did not (and do not) recognize him as such and continue to wait for a messiah. Christians are those that DO recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

 

[Z99]

Fair enough.

Not exactly.

Matthew 5:17-20
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Z99]

Well, that is true by necessity since it was the faith of his people he was born into and there were no other choices short of worshiping the graven idols of the Romans.


Christianity is the religion based upon and largely centered in part around the life and influences of Jesus but not necessarily about the man Jesus himself, but rather his role in bringing knowledge of God to humanity. Christianity actually took hold and really began in the 1st century after the death of Jesus as a Judaic sect with Hellenistic influences in the Roman province of Judaea, finally branching off into the six major branches of Christianity around the world known and practiced today.

This poster is NOT accurately teaching the tenets of Christianity because he doesn't actually know or understand them. Pay him no credence.

 

[norwegen]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

No one is Jewish. After the bar Kokhba Revolt, Judea was renamed Assyria-Palestina and virtually all traces of Jews and Judaism were obliterated from the region. The tribal people are extinct.

But one need not be Jewish to convert to Christianity.

 

[Couchpotato]

I know that but I was asking why we don't follow His faith then. Btw, this is zone 1 and being a former mod I would think that you would know to watch your language but then again, that's giving you way too much credit. Reported.

The Jewish faith split at that time with those who believed that Jesus was the Christ and fulfillment of Jewish prophesy regarding the Messiah becoming "Christians" and those who didnt remaining Jewish. Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the same God.

 

[Z99]

No one is Jewish.

The stuff I read here.

 

[Z99]

Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the same God.

That's debatable, but I don't want to derail the thread.