Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[Hafar1014]

There are quite a few things about Jewish dogma that you are ignorant about, you sought mediums multiple times despite it being forbidden by Jewish law, you read non-canonical texts and you reject certain parts of the Torah and you won't say you love the God of Abraham which is encouraged. Not to mention that you attack Christianity like a militant atheist does.

Sure. You can spot them by how they attack rival religions like you do.

Jews today do not live by 5000 year old laws. I just point out the distortions of Judaism you believe. Thats not an attack stop playing the victim. Man up

 

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Jews are never expelled from Judaism.
Judaism does not have a formal mechanism to "expel" or revoke the Jewish status of an individual based on belief or behavior, as Jewish law (Halacha) considers a Jew to remain Jewish regardless of their actions. While individuals can be socially ostracized (herem) or leave voluntarily, they are traditionally still considered Jewish.
American Jewish Committee (AJC) +3
Key Contextual Points:

• "Once a Jew, Always a Jew": Traditional Jewish law holds that Jewish identity is inherited or through conversion, and an individual cannot renounce their membership in the Jewish people.
  History Today +1

Leviticus 20:6 and the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1 say otherwise. You don't even know what your own "supposed" religious texts say.

Leviticus 20:6 states that God will "set My face against that person and cut him off from his people".

According to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, while "All Israel have a share in the World to Come," certain specific beliefs and actions can result in the forfeiture of that share. Any Jew that maintains that the resurrection of the dead is not a doctrine derived from the Torah will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew that says the Torah is not from Heaven will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who denies the Torah, or treats Torah scholars and the Torah they teach with contempt will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who reads "external literature" (non-canonical/heretical books) will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who whispers healing incantations (specifically from Exodus 15:26) over a wound will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who pronounces the Ineffable Name of God as it is spelled will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Mishnah also mentions specific historical groups that have no share in the World-to-Come. The Generation of the Flood will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Generation of the Dispersion (Tower of Babel) will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Men of Sodom will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Spies (who brought back a negative report of the Land) will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Generation of the Wilderness will not have a place in "The World to Come." Korah's Assembly will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Ten (Lost) Tribes will not have a place in "The World to Come." The three Kings and Four Commoners - Specifically Jeroboam, Ahab, Manasseh, Balaam, Doeg, Ahithophel, and Gehazi - will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, also clarifies that even if the aforementioned sinners have fulfilled many commandments (mitzvot), their actions of denial or heresy still lead to their not having a place in "The World to Come."

 

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In your mind which doesnt matter at all

No. According to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1 and the Torah. According to your own religious texts, you will be cut off. According to your "supposed" religion, here is what it says will happen to you.

Judaism teaches that forfeiting a share in Olam Ha-Ba (the World to Come) means the soul cuts itself off from the ultimate spiritual connection with God (the Shekhinah), losing the afterlife reward meant for the righteous. It is a spiritual extinction or being "cut off" (Karet) because the person rejected the divine truth.

 

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Jews today do not live by 5000 year old laws. I just point out the distortions of Judaism you believe. Thats not an attack stop playing the victim. Man up

Any Jew that rejects the Torah will be cut off from God.

A Jew who rejects the Torah is generally considered an apostate or heretic (apikores), losing their share in the World to Come (Olam HaBa). While they remain halachically Jewish, their active denial of divine authority is viewed in orthodox tradition as a profound spiritual transgression, leading to a state of being "cut off" from spiritual community.

They are often referred to as minim (deniers) or apikoresim (heretics), who, along with those who deny the divinity of the Torah or the resurrection, lose their place in the afterlife.

 

[Rambunctious]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

The "book" was written for people like you and him....

 

[Hafar1014]

Any Jew that rejects the Torah will be cut off from God.

A Jew who rejects the Torah is generally considered an apostate or heretic (apikores), losing their share in the World to Come (Olam HaBa). While they remain halachically Jewish, their active denial of divine authority is viewed in orthodox tradition as a profound spiritual transgression, leading to a state of being "cut off" from spiritual community.

They are often referred to as minim (deniers) or apikoresim (heretics), who, along with those who deny the divinity of the Torah or the resurrection, lose their place in the afterlife.

No Jew has ever been cut off from God you can copy all the ancient BS you want it wont change reality. We are a free people not slaves to dogma as you are but thats your choice.

 

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No Jew has ever been cut off from God you can copy all the ancient BS you want it wont change reality. We are a free people not slaves to dogma as you are but thats your choice.

Read Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1

Because the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1 mentions specific historical groups that have no share in the World-to-Come:

• The Generation of the Flood will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Generation of the Dispersion (Tower of Babel) will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Men of Sodom will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Spies (who brought back a negative report of the Land) will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Generation of the Wilderness will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• Korah's Assembly will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Ten (Lost) Tribes will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The three Kings and Four Commoners - Specifically Jeroboam, Ahab, Manasseh, Balaam, Doeg, Ahithophel, and Gehazi - will not have a place in "The World to Come."

The Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, also clarifies that even if the aforementioned have fulfilled many commandments (mitzvot), their actions of denial or heresy still lead to their not having a place in "The World to Come."

 

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No Jew has ever been cut off from God you can copy all the ancient BS you want it wont change reality. We are a free people not slaves to dogma as you are but thats your choice.

According to your own religion this is what is going to happen to you unless you make amends.

According to Judaism, Jews who forfeit their right to the World to Come (Olam Ha-Ba)—typically defined as the "utterly wicked" or those who deny core tenets—usually endure a 12-month purgation in Gehinnom (a spiritual forge). Afterward, they are either annihilated and cease to exist, or remain in a state of eternal remorse/damnation.

 

[Hafar1014]

Read Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1

Because the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1 mentions specific historical groups that have no share in the World-to-Come:

• The Generation of the Flood will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Generation of the Dispersion (Tower of Babel) will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Men of Sodom will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Spies (who brought back a negative report of the Land) will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Generation of the Wilderness will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• Korah's Assembly will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The Ten (Lost) Tribes will not have a place in "The World to Come."
• The three Kings and Four Commoners - Specifically Jeroboam, Ahab, Manasseh, Balaam, Doeg, Ahithophel, and Gehazi - will not have a place in "The World to Come."

The Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, also clarifies that even if the aforementioned have fulfilled many commandments (mitzvot), their actions of denial or heresy still lead to their not having a place in "The World to Come."

Those are allegories we are not slaves to dogma as you are. I can even eat non kosher Chinese food. Its good to be free and chosen.

 

[Hafar1014]

According to your own religion this is what is going to happen to you unless you make amends.

According to Judaism, Jews who forfeit their right to the World to Come (Olam Ha-Ba)—typically defined as the "utterly wicked" or those who deny core tenets—usually endure a 12-month purgation in Gehinnom (a spiritual forge). Afterward, they are either annihilated and cease to exist, or remain in a state of eternal remorse/damnation.

Thats according to your google interpretation. Who cares. You have a Fashtupedda cup

 

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Those are allegories we are not slaves to dogma as you are. I can even eat non kosher Chinese food. Its good to be free and chosen.

According to YOUR religion, it is violations of dogma that will lead to your being cut-off from God.

The Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1 focuses heavily on theological heresy and the denial of core rabbinic doctrines.

 

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Thats according to your google interpretation. Who cares. You have a Fashtupedda cup

You're going to be cut off from "The World to Come."

 

[BreezeWood]

There has always been existence. Nature isn't the thing that exists. Existence is the thing that exists.

"Existence" refers to the fact of being, while "nature" describes the inherent qualities, structure, and essence of that being. In other words, existence is what exists, nature describes what exists.

Let's say you are a kind hearted person. We would say it is your nature to be kind. We wouldn't say that you are kindness. You are the thing that exists. Kindness is the nature of your existence.

there has always been nature and existence being the same phenomena ... of that being is an unassociated equivalency.

 

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there has always been nature and existence being the same phenomena ... of that being is an unassociated equivalency.

Existence and nature are not the same phenomena. God is existence. God is the thing that exists. Nature describes God's inherent qualities and essence.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I dont comment on them only on Jewish works. Youre welcome to the Gospels. Youre not welcome to change the meaning of my religion. You can its a free country and I will challenge you. Thats the way it works.
You can choose to live in a punitive world thinking you create the good by threats and punishment
I live in the world of hope encouragement and freedom as the best way to create the good.

Those "Jewish works",...... Do You consider the Torah to be "Jewish"?

 

[BreezeWood]

Existence and nature are not the same phenomena. God is existence. God is the thing that exists. Nature describes God's inherent qualities and essence.

there has always been nature and existence being the same phenomena ... of that being is an unassociated equivalency.

one can not exist without the other ... rather for some nature is the prima facia ...

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Personally, do you think about the literal commandments other than in discussions like this? I don't. I'm way past that. Most Christians are.

Wood, I have on my PC 22 different Bibles, A Hebrew to English Tanach (Old Testament), & 13 Bible Dictionaries. I also have two Bible Software Applications. I also have on my PC, many, many "Non-Canonized Works", such as Enoch, Yasher, & more.

I also have studied the Talmud, via the Internet, & have made many studies on the "Heretical Beliefs" of the "Talmudic Jews".

I have Documents that I've downloaded from the "Holy See"/Vatican LIbrary, in my Research of how Catholicism corrupted "The Truth of The Way", and how "Christianity",... The "Breakaway Daughters of Catholicism", still embrace many of the "Corrupt Core Beliefs" of Catholicism

I have a Library, that physically includes 8 different Bibles, & many, many Books that range from the History of the Canonization of the Two Testaments/Bible, to many studies on many of the various heretical, & widely different "Christian Sects", ... To the Wars, & Genocide, committed by various Sects of "Catholicism/Christianity",.....To Books that speak of The End Times Prophecies, & much, much, more.

I Have "Library Rights", at Hebrew Union College in Cinti., Ohio.

I also own a Arabic to English Quran, "Text,Translation, & Commentary" Written by A Yusuf Ali, printed in 1938, that is just as heavily highlighted, & noted within, like My Physical Bibles

With that said,....
"do you think about the literal commandments other than in discussions like this?"

What do You Think My Answer is?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Jews are never expelled from Judaism.
Judaism does not have a formal mechanism to "expel" or revoke the Jewish status of an individual based on belief or behavior, as Jewish law (Halacha) considers a Jew to remain Jewish regardless of their actions. While individuals can be socially ostracized (herem) or leave voluntarily, they are traditionally still considered Jewish.
American Jewish Committee (AJC) +3
Key Contextual Points:

• "Once a Jew, Always a Jew": Traditional Jewish law holds that Jewish identity is inherited or through conversion, and an individual cannot renounce their membership in the Jewish people.
  History Today +1

One may remain a "Jew", an "Israelite", or a "Gentile", for all eternity, but that is absolutely not a Guarantee that they will not spend Eternity in the "Lake of Fire".

 

[Hafar1014]

One may remain a "Jew", an "Israelite", or a "Gentile", for all eternity, but that is absolutely not a Guarantee that they will not spend Eternity in the "Lake of Fire".

Yes it is Hell was created by Christians for Christians as threat to compel obedience. it doesnt exist but your welcome to think it does.
Remember worship Jesus or burn in hell and he loves you

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Jews today do not live by 5000 year old laws. I just point out the distortions of Judaism you believe. Thats not an attack stop playing the victim. Man up

Only the "True Jews" honor/strive for that Which The Almighty YAH Commanded Hafar.

Today's Mainstream "Jews",.... Live by the False Teachings of the Rabbis, which at one time, was the "Oral Law". Ya'll now know that "Law", as the "Talmud", along with several other "Jewish Writings".

The Messiah, disputed that "Oral Law" with the Heretical Temple leaders, and Condemned it.

The "Jews" refused to Wake Up, during the N.T. times, & They refuse to Wake Up now.