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[Hafar1014]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Or perhaps you need glasses. Another false belief you have. I am accountable just not to Jesus.

 

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Or perhaps you need glasses. Another false belief you have. I am accountable just not to Jesus.

You don't know the first thing about Jesus. You have never read the Gospels.

 

[Hafar1014]

You don't know the first thing about Jesus. You have never read the Gospels.

I dont comment on them only on Jewish works. Youre welcome to the Gospels. Youre not welcome to change the meaning of my religion. You can its a free country and I will challenge you. Thats the way it works.
You can choose to live in a punitive world thinking you create the good by threats and punishment
I live in the world of hope encouragement and freedom as the best way to create the good.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not so,...... You hang on one or two verses of misunderstood Scripture, while Ignoring the Main Body of the Bible.

That "New Covenant" is CLEARLY described in the Books of Jeremiah & Ezekiel, as well as many other Books, and,.... He who You proclaim, Taught this.:

Mat 5:17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Here is the Eternal Ten Commandments Covenant "Boiled Down" in to Two Commandments.:
Mat 22:34 But the Pharisees, when they heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, gathered themselves together.
Mat 22:35 One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him.
Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?”
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mat 22:40 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Exo 20:1 God spoke all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 “I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 “You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me,
Exo 20:6 and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 “You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 You shall labor six days, and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God. You shall not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates;
Exo 20:11 for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.
Exo 20:12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which Yahweh your God gives you.

Exo 20:13 “You shall not murder.
Exo 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 “You shall not steal.
Exo 20:16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
Exo 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Jhn_14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments.
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Personally, do you think about the literal commandments other than in discussions like this? I don't. I'm way past that. Most Christians are.

 

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I dont comment on them only on Jewish works. Youre welcome to the Gospels. Youre not welcome to change the meaning of my religion.

If you haven't read the Gospels then you probably shouldn't be changing the meaning of MY religion

You can its a free country and I will challenge you. Thats the way it works.

You'll challenge it from a position of ignorance since you haven't read the Gospels.

You can choose to live in a punitive world thinking you create the good by threats and punishment
I live in the world of hope encouragement and freedom as the best way to create the good.

You sure about that? Have you read the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1?

And by the way, clairvoyant mediums or consulting with them - which you admitted to doing multiple times - is considered a very serious prohibition. The Torah strictly forbids the use of mediums. "Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them" (Leviticus 19:31). What you did is classified as Avodah Zarah (foreign worship/idolatry). You have jeopardized your spiritual standing and potential connection to the World to Come (Olam Ha-Ba). Leviticus 20:6 states that God will "set My face against that person and cut him off from his people".

So what was it you were saying about punitive world thinking and threats and punishment?

 

[Woodznutz]

And what Teachings did Paul rely upon, so as to be able to make that statement?

That fact that Paul took the gospel to the Gentiles kinda proves that the old covenant laws of separation were pretty much over. That said Jesus was quite specific regarding his and the other disciples' ministries. He and they were to go to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" only,

 

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I dont comment on them...

That's literally all you have been doing. So the question isn't that you don't comment on them. The question is have you read them.

And I think we both know the answer to that.

 

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You can choose to live in a punitive world thinking you create the good by threats and punishment
I live in the world of hope encouragement and freedom as the best way to create the good.

According to Judaism, those who forfeit their right to the World to Come (Olam Ha-Ba)—typically defined as the "utterly wicked" or those who deny core tenets—usually endure a 12-month purgation in Gehinnom (a spiritual forge). Afterward, they are either annihilated and cease to exist, or remain in a state of eternal remorse/damnation.

You really are a putz for not knowing your own religion.

 

[Hafar1014]

According to Judaism, those who forfeit their right to the World to Come (Olam Ha-Ba)—typically defined as the "utterly wicked" or those who deny core tenets—usually endure a 12-month purgation in Gehinnom (a spiritual forge). Afterward, they are either annihilated and cease to exist, or remain in a state of eternal remorse/damnation.

You really are a putz for not knowing your own religion.

Thats not mainstream Judaism. Every religion has its nut jobs yours is no exception

 

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You can choose to live in a punitive world thinking you create the good by threats and punishment
I live in the world of hope encouragement and freedom as the best way to create the good.

It's not a secret that I believe you are an atheist because you don't know what your "supposed" faith teaches. So I thought I should share this with you.

According to traditional Judaism, a Jew who denies God (an atheist or apikorus) remains Jewish by birth, but loses their portion in the "World to Come" (Olam Ha-Ba) and is considered to have separated themselves from the community and its spiritual rewards.

 

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Thats not mainstream Judaism. Every religion has its nut jobs yours is no exception

Leviticus 20:6 states that God will "set My face against that person and cut him off from his people".

 

[Hafar1014]

It's not a secret that I believe you are an atheist because you don't know what your "supposed" faith teaches. So I thought I should share this with you.

According to traditional Judaism, a Jew who denies God (an atheist or apikorus) remains Jewish by birth, but loses their portion in the "World to Come" (Olam Ha-Ba) and is considered to have separated themselves from the community and its spiritual rewards.

Im not an atheist I just dont believe in Jesus. How can God have a Mexican name? Every religions has its extreme sects.

 

[Hafar1014]

Leviticus 20:6 states that God will "set My face against that person and cut him off from his people".

We dont live today by 5000 year old civil law. We evolve.

 

[Hafar1014]

Leviticus 20:6 states that God will "set My face against that person and cut him off from his people".

There is no such thing as cutting off or expelling a Jew. We dont live today by 5000 year old civil law

 

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Thats not mainstream Judaism. Every religion has its nut jobs yours is no exception

The Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1 (often cited as Chapter 11 in some editions, starting "All Israelites have a portion in the world to come...") is considered a mainstream and foundational text in Rabbinic Judaism. It is central to Jewish theology regarding the afterlife, the Resurrection of the Dead, and the theological boundaries of heresy.

 

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There is no such thing as cutting off or expelling a Jew. We dont live today by 5000 year old civil law

According to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, while "All Israel have a share in the World to Come," certain specific beliefs and actions can result in the forfeiture of that share. Any Jew that maintains that the resurrection of the dead is not a doctrine derived from the Torah will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew that says the Torah is not from Heaven will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who denies the Torah, or treats Torah scholars and the Torah they teach with contempt will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who reads "external literature" (non-canonical/heretical books) will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who whispers healing incantations (specifically from Exodus 15:26) over a wound will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who pronounces the Ineffable Name of God as it is spelled will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Mishnah also mentions specific historical groups that have no share in the World-to-Come. The Generation of the Flood will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Generation of the Dispersion (Tower of Babel) will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Men of Sodom will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Spies (who brought back a negative report of the Land) will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Generation of the Wilderness will not have a place in "The World to Come." Korah's Assembly will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Ten (Lost) Tribes will not have a place in "The World to Come." The three Kings and Four Commoners - Specifically Jeroboam, Ahab, Manasseh, Balaam, Doeg, Ahithophel, and Gehazi - will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, also clarifies that even if the aforementioned sinners have fulfilled many commandments (mitzvot), their actions of denial or heresy still lead to their not having a place in "The World to Come."

Isn't knowledge fun.

 

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We dont live today by 5000 year old civil law. We evolve.

You just committed the grave sin of denying the Torah.

According to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1 - which is mainstream and foundational text in Rabbinic Judaism - Any Jew who denies the Torah will not have a place in "The World to Come."

 

[Hafar1014]

According to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, while "All Israel have a share in the World to Come," certain specific beliefs and actions can result in the forfeiture of that share. Any Jew that maintains that the resurrection of the dead is not a doctrine derived from the Torah will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew that says the Torah is not from Heaven will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who denies the Torah, or treats Torah scholars and the Torah they teach with contempt will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who reads "external literature" (non-canonical/heretical books) will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who whispers healing incantations (specifically from Exodus 15:26) over a wound will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who pronounces the Ineffable Name of God as it is spelled will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Mishnah also mentions specific historical groups that have no share in the World-to-Come. The Generation of the Flood will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Generation of the Dispersion (Tower of Babel) will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Men of Sodom will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Spies (who brought back a negative report of the Land) will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Generation of the Wilderness will not have a place in "The World to Come." Korah's Assembly will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Ten (Lost) Tribes will not have a place in "The World to Come." The three Kings and Four Commoners - Specifically Jeroboam, Ahab, Manasseh, Balaam, Doeg, Ahithophel, and Gehazi - will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, also clarifies that even if the aforementioned sinners have fulfilled many commandments (mitzvot), their actions of denial or heresy still lead to their not having a place in "The World to Come."

Isn't knowledge fun.

Jews are never expelled from Judaism.
Judaism does not have a formal mechanism to "expel" or revoke the Jewish status of an individual based on belief or behavior, as Jewish law (Halacha) considers a Jew to remain Jewish regardless of their actions. While individuals can be socially ostracized (herem) or leave voluntarily, they are traditionally still considered Jewish.
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Key Contextual Points:

• "Once a Jew, Always a Jew": Traditional Jewish law holds that Jewish identity is inherited or through conversion, and an individual cannot renounce their membership in the Jewish people.
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[Hafar1014]

You just committed the grave sin of denying the Torah.

According to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1 - which is mainstream and foundational text in Rabbinic Judaism - Any Jew who denies the Torah will not have a place in "The World to Come."

In your mind which doesnt matter at all

 

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Im not an atheist I just dont believe in Jesus. How can God have a Mexican name?

There are quite a few things about Jewish dogma that you are ignorant about, you sought mediums multiple times despite it being forbidden by Jewish law, you read non-canonical texts and you reject certain parts of the Torah and you won't say you love the God of Abraham which is encouraged. Not to mention that you attack Christianity like a militant atheist does.

Every religions has its extreme sects.

Sure. You can spot them by how they attack rival religions like you do.