If an EV is in your future, keep this issue in mind

[Robert W]

No, there is basically no free H2 available on Earth.
We have to manufacture it.

No problem.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Homepage | Hydrogen Council

There’s no climate solution without clean hydrogen. And there’s no clean hydrogen without action. Hydrogen Council is the global voice of clean hydrogen action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Ghkql132M Hydrogen is the missing piece of the clean energy puzzle The race to decarbonize our planet...

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Hydrogen can...​

Store more clean energy without weighing us down.

Save more clean energy without going to waste.

And decarbonize where we never thought possible.

You can't just say it's clean energy, it depends on how it's made.
Currently, most is made from natural gas. Is that clean?

It doesn't save energy, it wastes energy.

Your hope for hydrogen is less CO2?

 

[Robert W]

You can't just say it's clean energy, it depends on how it's made.
Currently, most is made from natural gas. Is that clean?

It doesn't save energy, it wastes energy.

Your hope for hydrogen is less CO2?

Production of hydrogen - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

How hydrogen is produced with electrolysis and natural gas reforming.

www.eia.gov

Hydrogen production​

To produce hydrogen, it must be separated from the other elements in the molecules where it occurs. Hydrogen can be produced from many different sources in different ways to use as a fuel. The two most common methods for producing hydrogen are steam-methane reforming and electrolysis (splitting water with electricity). Researchers are exploring other hydrogen production methods, or pathways.

 

[Robert W]

You can't just say it's clean energy, it depends on how it's made.
Currently, most is made from natural gas. Is that clean?

It doesn't save energy, it wastes energy.

Your hope for hydrogen is less CO2?

Is your hope that gasoline is less CO2?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Is your hope that gasoline is less CO2?

I'm not worried about CO2 from gasoline.

Are you?

 

[Robert W]

I'm not worried about CO2 from gasoline.

Are you?

Nope.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Production of hydrogen - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

How hydrogen is produced with electrolysis and natural gas reforming.

www.eia.gov

Hydrogen production​

To produce hydrogen, it must be separated from the other elements in the molecules where it occurs. Hydrogen can be produced from many different sources in different ways to use as a fuel. The two most common methods for producing hydrogen are steam-methane reforming and electrolysis (splitting water with electricity). Researchers are exploring other hydrogen production methods, or pathways.

Currently, most is made from natural gas. Is that clean?

It doesn't save energy, it wastes energy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nope.

So, hydrogen is the solution to what other problem?

 

[Robert W]

Currently, most is made from natural gas. Is that clean?

It doesn't save energy, it wastes energy.

Well let's not use energy then.

 

[Robert W]

So, hydrogen is the solution to what other problem?

Well, there will be a day when gasoline becomes rare and extremely expensive. So Gasoline solves what other problem?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well let's not use energy then.

I'd prefer to just use the natural gas, instead of wasting time, money and energy to
extract the hydrogen from it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, there will be a day when gasoline becomes rare and extremely expensive.

Ok. In 60 years, hydrogen cars might make sense.

So Gasoline solves what other problem?

It powers my car, today, with safer, cheaper, more energy dense fuel.

 

[otto105]

Awwwww great, the Model T car club thread.

 

[Robert W]

Ok. In 60 years, hydrogen cars might make sense.



It powers my car, today, with safer, cheaper, more energy dense fuel.

True but the Democrats plan to put a stop to that.

 

[Robert W]

I'd prefer to just use the natural gas, instead of wasting time, money and energy to
extract the hydrogen from it.

Apparently you seem not aware of what Democrats are up to.

If you think they will approve that, guess again.

 

[Flopper]

The Battery. When you drive your normal car, you need not think about the weight of the battery. It is pretty lightweight in fact. But if you plan to buy an EV, the battery can weigh 2 tons. Think of adding 2 tons of rocks to your Chevrolet IC car. (IC internal combustion) I want to offer a video made in Australia by a STEM kind of person. He knows engineering. He has the figures of CO2 for the various types of car. He talks about a Hyundai model I believe compared to an EV. Anyway this is to help you make decisions and not provoke arguments.

And what is the weight of gasoline engines, radiators, mufflers, catalytic converter, exhaust pipes, tail pipes, water pumps, oil pumps, gas tanks, all the fluids required by gasoline engines, and we must not forget the gasoline itself that is responsible for most of the 174,000 highway vehicle fires reported in the United States causing 650 deaths.

Tesla has one the largest EV batteries, estimated to weigh up to a staggering 1,836 lbs. By comparison, the smaller vehicles can have batteries weighing well under 1000 lbs. The average EV battery is about 1100 lbs, no where near 4,000 lbs..

 

[Bob Blaylock]

True but the Democrats plan to put a stop to that.

The solution to that is certainly not to replace gasoline with fuels that are much, much, much less practical.

The solution is to vote Democraps out of office.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

True but the Democrats plan to put a stop to that.

Sounds like you support their silly push for hydrogen.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Awwwww great, the Model T car club thread.

Hey, the windmill and bicycle club is crashing the party!

 

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Sounds like you support their silly push for hydrogen.

Maybe in 500 years when natural gas runs out.