I will not Bow!

[toastman]

Palestine was NOT owned by its citizens,

But you're the one who made the claim without providing the link.

Did the Palestinians capture Palestine from the Ottomans? No

Were the Palestinians making any decisions about Mandatory Palestine? No

If they owned Palestine, why did they let the British control all their decisions ?

they were occupied.

Oh, so not the British and Ottomans occupied 'Palestine' lol!

What you and Tinmore come up with sometimes is unbelievable

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's not an Israeli lie. It's a WORLDWIDE FACT

Would the plan have given them self determination? Did they reject the plan ?

Your welcome

No. Self determination is not something you sign up for in some stupid scheme.

Well, Tinmore, did the Palestinians accept or reject the plan? That was the question you completely ignored.

It is not that I ignored it, it is completely irrelevant.

 

[pbel]

But you're the one who made the claim without providing the link.

Did the Palestinians capture Palestine from the Ottomans? No

Were the Palestinians making any decisions about Mandatory Palestine? No

If they owned Palestine, why did they let the British control all their decisions ?

they were occupied.

Oh, so not the British and Ottomans occupied 'Palestine' lol!

What you and Tinmore come up with sometimes is unbelievable

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me."[

 

[toastman]

No. Self determination is not something you sign up for in some stupid scheme.

Well, Tinmore, did the Palestinians accept or reject the plan? That was the question you completely ignored.

It is not that I ignored it, it is completely irrelevant.

Why is it that you call things that are relevant, irrelevant... It's as if you are afraid of the truth

They rejected the plan. Had they accepted the plan, they would have had self determination

I hope you're not saying they had self determination in 1948....

 

[Indeependent]

they were occupied.

Oh, so not the British and Ottomans occupied 'Palestine' lol!

What you and Tinmore come up with sometimes is unbelievable

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me."[

So when the Zionists were pressuring FDR to stop Hitler, FDR took his sweet time, but Truman was simply trembling in his boots.
How stupid do you think people are?
Jewish pressure meant NOTHING to the State Department back then.

 

[toastman]

they were occupied.

Oh, so not the British and Ottomans occupied 'Palestine' lol!

What you and Tinmore come up with sometimes is unbelievable

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me."[

huh???

 

[pbel]

Oh, so not the British and Ottomans occupied 'Palestine' lol!

What you and Tinmore come up with sometimes is unbelievable

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me."[

So when the Zionists were pressuring FDR to stop Hitler, FDR took his sweet time, but Truman was simply trembling in his boots.
How stupid do you think people are?
Jewish pressure meant NOTHING to the State Department back then.

his words speak volumes...you are a soldier of Zionists bull.

 

[Indeependent]

Zionists must leave land; one of them passed gas!

 

[Indeependent]

Zionist burped...must leave land.

 

[pbel]

Oh, so not the British and Ottomans occupied 'Palestine' lol!

What you and Tinmore come up with sometimes is unbelievable

United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me."[

huh???

Duh???

 

[Indeependent]

Zionist urinated...Zionists must leave land NOW!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, Tinmore, did the Palestinians accept or reject the plan? That was the question you completely ignored.

It is not that I ignored it, it is completely irrelevant.

Why is it that you call things that are relevant, irrelevant... It's as if you are afraid of the truth

They rejected the plan. Had they accepted the plan, they would have had self determination

I hope you're not saying they had self determination in 1948....

The Palestinians had the right to self determination since the creation of Palestine.

Those rights have always been illegally denied to them by people with guns.

 

[Indeependent]

It is not that I ignored it, it is completely irrelevant.

Why is it that you call things that are relevant, irrelevant... It's as if you are afraid of the truth

They rejected the plan. Had they accepted the plan, they would have had self determination

I hope you're not saying they had self determination in 1948....

The Palestinians had the right to self determination since the creation of Palestine.

Those rights have always been illegally denied to them by people with guns.

Arafat and his minions didn't have guns?!

 

[pbel]

Why is it that you call things that are relevant, irrelevant... It's as if you are afraid of the truth

They rejected the plan. Had they accepted the plan, they would have had self determination

I hope you're not saying they had self determination in 1948....

The Palestinians had the right to self determination since the creation of Palestine.

Those rights have always been illegally denied to them by people with guns.

Arafat and his minions didn't have guns?!

India (Vote: Against): Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru spoke with anger and contempt for the way the UN vote had been lined up. He said the Zionists had tried to bribe India with millions and at the same time his sister, Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit, had received daily warnings that her life was in danger unless "she voted right".[46] Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit, Nehru’s sister, the Indian ambassador to the U.N, occasionally hinted that something might change in favour of the Yishuv. But another Indian delegate said that India would vote for the Arab side, because of their large Moslem minority, although they know that the Jews has a case

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

Ownership (property and land) is a much different thing than Sovereignty. It doesn't matter who owned the land; but rather, who had sovereignty over the land.

For 800 years, the Ottoman Empire had sovereignty (independent authority over a territory to rule and make laws over they land). It was not an occupation.

After the Empire, the territory came under Mandate; again not occupation. Under the Mandate, the Mandatory had authority over a territory to rule and make laws over they land.

None of this changed the ownership of the land. P F Tinmore's assertion or implication that the Palestinian's owned the land has absolutely no relevance to who full powers of legislation (make laws) and of administration (authority over) the territory.

The key reason that this is so important to the Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) is because it fundamental to their argument that the land was taken from them. The land (ownership) was never taken from them (1920 - 1947) until the outbreak of general hostilities after the passage of the the Resolution 181(II) initiated by the HoAP and the Arab League (and even that is questionable).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[pbel]

et al,

Ownership (property and land) is a much different thing than Sovereignty. It doesn't matter who owned the land; but rather, who had sovereignty over the land.

For 800 years, the Ottoman Empire had sovereignty (independent authority over a territory to rule and make laws over they land). It was not an occupation.

After the Empire, the territory came under Mandate; again not occupation. Under the Mandate, the Mandatory had authority over a territory to rule and make laws over they land.

None of this changed the ownership of the land. P F Tinmore's assertion or implication that the Palestinian's owned the land has absolutely no relevance to who full powers of legislation (make laws) and of administration (authority over) the territory.

The key reason that this is so important to the Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) is because it fundamental to their argument that the land was taken from them. The land (ownership) was never taken from them (1920 - 1947) until the outbreak of general hostilities after the passage of the the Resolution 181(II) initiated by the HoAP and the Arab League (and even that is questionable).

Most Respectfully,
R

Sovereignty is only given by the people! You should know that Rocco.

 

[Victory67]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

 

[Sally]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

 

[pbel]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

MONEY!!!!!!!!
Haiti (Vote: For): The promise of a five million dollar loan May or may not have secured Haiti's vote for partition.[49]

 

[Victory67]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

Maybe the Israelis should lead by example.

You know, like a "light unto the Nations".