I will not Bow!

[toastman]

et al,

Ownership (property and land) is a much different thing than Sovereignty. It doesn't matter who owned the land; but rather, who had sovereignty over the land.

For 800 years, the Ottoman Empire had sovereignty (independent authority over a territory to rule and make laws over they land). It was not an occupation.

After the Empire, the territory came under Mandate; again not occupation. Under the Mandate, the Mandatory had authority over a territory to rule and make laws over they land.

None of this changed the ownership of the land. P F Tinmore's assertion or implication that the Palestinian's owned the land has absolutely no relevance to who full powers of legislation (make laws) and of administration (authority over) the territory.

The key reason that this is so important to the Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) is because it fundamental to their argument that the land was taken from them. The land (ownership) was never taken from them (1920 - 1947) until the outbreak of general hostilities after the passage of the the Resolution 181(II) initiated by the HoAP and the Arab League (and even that is questionable).

Most Respectfully,
R

Sovereignty is only given by the people! You should know that Rocco.

EVERYTHING Rocco said in that post is 100% true.

Now, do you STILL think that the Ottomans and British were 'Occupying' Palestine ?

 

[pbel]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

Airhead#1 chimes in...what has Tibet got to do with Palestine?

 

[Sally]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

Maybe the Israelis should lead by example.

You know, like a "light unto the Nations".

Maybe the Muslims should stop murdering people in the name of their religion. Remember that Islam is supposed to be a Religion of Peace.

 

[Indeependent]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

Like the US they have militaries to defend their borders.

 

[Victory67]

Maybe the Muslims should stop murdering people in the name of their religion. Remember that Islam is supposed to be a Religion of Peace.

And the Ten Commandments say "thou shalt not steal".

But we all know how little the Israelis respect that one.

 

[pbel]

et al,

Ownership (property and land) is a much different thing than Sovereignty. It doesn't matter who owned the land; but rather, who had sovereignty over the land.

For 800 years, the Ottoman Empire had sovereignty (independent authority over a territory to rule and make laws over they land). It was not an occupation.

After the Empire, the territory came under Mandate; again not occupation. Under the Mandate, the Mandatory had authority over a territory to rule and make laws over they land.

None of this changed the ownership of the land. P F Tinmore's assertion or implication that the Palestinian's owned the land has absolutely no relevance to who full powers of legislation (make laws) and of administration (authority over) the territory.

The key reason that this is so important to the Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) is because it fundamental to their argument that the land was taken from them. The land (ownership) was never taken from them (1920 - 1947) until the outbreak of general hostilities after the passage of the the Resolution 181(II) initiated by the HoAP and the Arab League (and even that is questionable).

Most Respectfully,
R

Sovereignty is only given by the people! You should know that Rocco.

EVERYTHING Rocco said in that post is 100% true.

Now, do you STILL think that the Ottomans and British were 'Occupying' Palestine ?

Of course!

 

[Hossfly]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

Airhead#1 chimes in...what has Tibet got to do with Palestine?

Comparison, Chauncy. You got somethin' agin that?

 

[Sally]

I'm waiting for a logical reason why the rest of the Ottoman Empire, German Empire, and Austro-Hungarian Empire deserved freedom and self-determination but Palestine didn't.

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

Airhead#1 chimes in...what has Tibet got to do with Palestine?

Don't worry, Pbel, those who know you from before don't think you are actually worried about the Arabs. You never had any comments to say when you could have discussed the Middle East in general. The only reason you are piping up here is because the Jews are involved. I don't know who you think you are fooling except others with the same mind set as you have.

 

[Kondor3]

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

Airhead#1 chimes in...what has Tibet got to do with Palestine?

Comparison, Chauncy. You got somethin' agin that?

Amazing, isn't it, how pro-Palestinian folk will dodge and deflect using case-comparisons, whenever you back 'em into a corner about the misdeeds of their Pal friends, but God forbid anybody but THEY resort to such tactics...

 

[pbel]

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

Airhead#1 chimes in...what has Tibet got to do with Palestine?

Comparison, Chauncy. You got somethin' agin that?

Oh you mean china invading Tibet like Israel and her bought with money and threats invading Palestine?

Not analogous.

 

[Sally]

Maybe the Muslims should stop murdering people in the name of their religion. Remember that Islam is supposed to be a Religion of Peace.

And the Ten Commandments say "thou shalt not steal".

But we all know how little the Israelis respect that one.

Why, Herr Weil Ich Weiss, how do you think the Muslims got control of the Middle East when they left the Saudi Arabian Peninsula? Do you think they actually paid for the land in the Middle East?

 

[Victory67]

Why, Herr Weil Ich Weiss, how do you think the Muslims got control of the Middle East when they left the Saudi Arabian Peninsula? Do you think they actually paid for the land in the Middle East?

How do you think the Hebrews gained control of the western section of the Levant?

by saying "please"?

 

[pbel]

Actually I am waiting for the Chinese to leave Tibet so that the Tibetans can run their own country again. No doubt the Cypriots are waiting for the Turks to leave the part of Cyrus that they now occupy.

Airhead#1 chimes in...what has Tibet got to do with Palestine?

Don't worry, Pbel, those who know you from before don't think you are actually worried about the Arabs. You never had any comments to say when you could have discussed the Middle East in general. The only reason you are piping up here is because the Jews are involved. I don't know who you think you are fooling except others with the same mind set as you have.

Who cares? You want to use your Jew hate card when you have nothing you offer to refute the message? Its old, cold and stupid reasoning, your forte.

 

[Indeependent]

Start war with Jew.
Lose war.
Jew stole from you.
Huh?

You got too accustomed to the Jew who would take sh!t.
That Jew is gone.

 

[RoccoR]

pbel, et al,

Well this is not always true.

Sovereignty is only given by the people! You should know that Rocco.

(COMMENT)

There are different kinds of Sovereignty and differing views.

State sovereignty is sometimes viewed synonymously with independence, however, sovereignty can be transferred as a legal right whereas independence cannot.

SOURCE: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sovereignty is the supreme authority, especially over a state; differing form independence or the right to self-government without interference from outside.

You are confusing the two terms: Sovereignty and Independence. Sovereignty can be acquired through peaceful means as well as force; or treaty. But independence is declared by the constituents.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sally]

Airhead#1 chimes in...what has Tibet got to do with Palestine?

Don't worry, Pbel, those who know you from before don't think you are actually worried about the Arabs. You never had any comments to say when you could have discussed the Middle East in general. The only reason you are piping up here is because the Jews are involved. I don't know who you think you are fooling except others with the same mind set as you have.

Who cares? You want to use your Jew hate card when you have nothing you offer to refute the message? Its old, cold and stupid reasoning, your forte.

Pbel, if it makes you feel good about yourself to think that you have fooled people in the past and are fooling them now about you actually caring about the Arabs, go for it. If you really cared about them, you would be keeping up with what is happening to them in other countries where the innocent Arabs, whether Christian or Muslims, are being killed in enormous numbers by other Arabs. This is so much worse than you want the readers to think is happening in the Israel/Palestine arena.

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

Well this is not always true.

Sovereignty is only given by the people! You should know that Rocco.

(COMMENT)

There are different kinds of Sovereignty and differing views.

State sovereignty is sometimes viewed synonymously with independence, however, sovereignty can be transferred as a legal right whereas independence cannot.

SOURCE: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sovereignty is the supreme authority, especially over a state; differing form independence or the right to self-government without interference from outside.

You are confusing the two terms: Sovereignty and Independence. Sovereignty can be acquired through peaceful means as well as force; or treaty. But independence is declared by the constituents.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, I see...so if force is used then the ruled have the right to revolt...That's what we did in America, and that's what the Palestinians are doing today...

Sovereignty by force is Fascism.

 

[Sally]

pbel, et al,

Well this is not always true.

Sovereignty is only given by the people! You should know that Rocco.

(COMMENT)

There are different kinds of Sovereignty and differing views.

State sovereignty is sometimes viewed synonymously with independence, however, sovereignty can be transferred as a legal right whereas independence cannot.

SOURCE: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sovereignty is the supreme authority, especially over a state; differing form independence or the right to self-government without interference from outside.

You are confusing the two terms: Sovereignty and Independence. Sovereignty can be acquired through peaceful means as well as force; or treaty. But independence is declared by the constituents.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, I see...so if force is used then the ruled have the right to revolt...That's what we did in America, and that's what the Palestinians are doing today...

Sovereignty by force is Fascism.

Pbel, those who fought in the American Revolution didn't target civilians as the Palestinians do.

 

[Victory67]

Start war with Jew.
Lose war.
Jew stole from you.
Huh?

You got too accustomed to the Jew who would take sh!t.
That Jew is gone.

Israelis continue to steal land from Arab landowners.

And by the way, Bernie Madoff stole how many tens of billions of dollars? $40 billion?

 

[Sally]

Start war with Jew.
Lose war.
Jew stole from you.
Huh?

You got too accustomed to the Jew who would take sh!t.
That Jew is gone.

Israelis continue to steal land from Arab landowners.

And by the way, Bernie Madoff stole how many tens of billions of dollars? $40 billion?

But, Herr Weil Ich Weiss, Arabs also have stolen money in the U.S. and elsewhere; and if they could have gotten away with it, they would have stolen just as much as Bernie Madoff. By the way, off the top of your head, how much money do you think Arafat stole from his people? His wife must have laughed all the way to the bank.