I will not Bow!

[toastman]

What is it with you and thinking that the growing number of Arabs will be Israels demise?? Israel is already surrounded by over a billion of them, and none of them are doing anything. You think if there's another 500 million, it will make a difference?

Are you saying the long discussed "demographic threat" is a fable?

Israel has a population of 8 million and she is surrounded by over a billion Arabs. So what;s your point ?

 

[montelatici]

What is it with you and thinking that the growing number of Arabs will be Israels demise?? Israel is already surrounded by over a billion of them, and none of them are doing anything. You think if there's another 500 million, it will make a difference?

Are you saying the long discussed "demographic threat" is a fable?

Israel has a population of 8 million and she is surrounded by over a billion Arabs. So what;s your point ?

There are a little more than a billion Muslims, how can there be a billion "Arabs". Which is a cultural and linguistic distinction only.

 

[pbel]

LOL You have it all mixed up. Not surprising though, as it appears that you are another victim of Palestinian/Arab propaganda.

It's the Palestinians who are whining and crying daily that Israel is unfair to them.

It's the Palestinian supporters who are crying and whining that Israel is unfair to the Palestinians

What they both forget to mention is that the situation that the Palestinians are in is a DIRECT result of their war mongering and hateful nature.
You reap what you sow .

The world can laugh all they want, but Israel has their country, the Palestinians don't. Israel is in control, the Palestinians aren't.

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

What is it with you and thinking that the growing number of Arabs will be Israels demise?? Israel is already surrounded by over a billion of them, and none of them are doing anything. You think if there's another 500 million, it will make a difference?

its not numbers its the proliferation of WMD's and the potential that they will be used. If the next 68 years in Israel are like the last 68, what do you think?

 

[Phoenall]

As defined by the map of the partition plan, that lasted until the arab armies invaded Israel and tried ti wipe out the Jews. Now the borders of Israel are those mutually agreed with Egypt and Jordan and the armistice/ceasefire lines between Syria and Lebanon. Palestine has no borders with Israel until it negotiates them.

The United Nations last year recognized Palestine as a non-member state.

This state was declared in 1988 and its borders are the Gaza Strip and all of the West Bank.

The United Nations considers all of the West Bank to be Occupied Territory, which it is.

Read 242 and 338 and see what they say about its borders. It was offered borders in 1948 which it refused, now 65 years later after seeing land whittled away by successive wars against Israel it wants to take up the 1948 borders. They are 65 years too late and have lost those borders now, they could get lucky and get the 1973 ceasefire lines and be grateful. But until they rescind their charter they will not get any right of return

 

[Phoenall]

Victory67, et al,

Well, it is both.

The United Nations last year recognized Palestine as a non-member state.

This state was declared in 1988 and its borders are the Gaza Strip and all of the West Bank.

The United Nations considers all of the West Bank to be Occupied Territory, which it is.

(COMMENT)

It is occupied territory in the State of Palestine. It is part of the Article V - Oslo Accord (I) in which (Para 3): "It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest." It is pending "the outcome of the permanent status negotiations."

Most Respectfully,
R

Which will be when hell freezes over. There is no intention of a peace agreement.

It is just a dog and pony show.

And which side is putting all the obstacles in the way of peace, which side is demanding illegal and unworkable pre conditions before they will even agree to meet. A clue it is not Israel which is placing negotiation points on the table as part of the peace talks.

 

[Phoenall]

"What they both forget to mention is that the situation that the Palestinians are in is a DIRECT result of their war mongering and hateful nature.
You reap what you sow ."

You don't think that the fact that the Jews dispossessed the Christians and Muslims of their land and homeland might have just a little bit to do with it?

How so when it was the muslims that have and are dispossessing Jews and Christians of their land, and have done since 630 C.E.

Now the shoe is on the other foot they are bleating about how unfair it is for them to be treated in the same manner as they treated others. In gaza the Christians are being ethnically cleansed because the muslims want only a muslim zone to exist

 

[Billo_Really]

And which side is putting all the obstacles in the way of peace,

Since Israel has constructed over 500 of them restricting the movement of Palestinian's in the West Bank and the Pals have constructed none, I'd say the "obstacles" are Israel's.

which side is demanding illegal and unworkable pre conditions before they will even agree to meet. A clue it is not Israel which is placing negotiation points on the table as part of the peace talks.

There's no reason to meet and nothing to negotiate. Israel needs to comply with International Law. That's it! Stop breaking the god-damn law and get the **** off land that isn't yours.

 

[SmedlyButler]

Every time I see this post on the active post list I think it says "I Will Not Bowl". And I wonder what the heck does he have against bowling?

 

[Billo_Really]

How so when it was the muslims that have and are dispossessing Jews and Christians of their land, and have done since 630 C.E.

Now the shoe is on the other foot they are bleating about how unfair it is for them to be treated in the same manner as they treated others. In gaza the Christians are being ethnically cleansed because the muslims want only a muslim zone to exist

Where's your proof of that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Every time I see this post on the active post list I think it says "I Will Not Bowl". And I wonder what the heck does he have against bowling?

He has issues with Dick Weber.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel is desperate to be loved. They cry every day about boycotts and divestment.

They cry every day about how unfair the world is to poor Israel.

And if they are boycotted and kicked out of the UN for engaging in massive ethnic cleansing, they will cry some more about how "unfairly" they are being treated.

And the world will laugh cause they will have finally caught on to Israel's game.

LOL You have it all mixed up. Not surprising though, as it appears that you are another victim of Palestinian/Arab propaganda.

It's the Palestinians who are whining and crying daily that Israel is unfair to them.

It's the Palestinian supporters who are crying and whining that Israel is unfair to the Palestinians

What they both forget to mention is that the situation that the Palestinians are in is a DIRECT result of their war mongering and hateful nature.
You reap what you sow .

The world can laugh all they want, but Israel has their country, the Palestinians don't. Israel is in control, the Palestinians aren't.

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

The Israeli's can execute laws that expel islamists from the country and it will not be illegal. The world will not allow all the rogue states in the M.E. to have nuclear weapons, and will target every Islamic centre with their own. 2 billion people fried in one attack by the wests nuclear arsenal will put the brakes on any intentions of using nuclear weapons. Then there is the simple matter of expelling all muslims from the west as aggressive aliens, those that refuse interned till the end of hostilities in segregated camps. Stopping all trade with the likes of Saudi which relies on food from the west would soon see the islamists back down their holes when the starving millions started dying in the streets.

Remember at the end of the day islam need the west more than the west needs islam

 

[Phoenall]

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

Stop it, pbel, yer scarin' everybody...

When Israel and Saudi Arabia team up against the jihadists and Shias, fear is on their collective minds...

My money is on Israel, Jordan and Egypt forming a tripartite military group that will speed to were ever Islamic extremism raises its head and wipe it out at a stroke. The Palestinians would be amongst the first to receive the blessings of such a force, and they would fall back to being peaceful in double quick order.

 

[Billo_Really]

The Israeli's can execute laws that expel islamists from the country and it will not be illegal. The world will not allow all the rogue states in the M.E. to have nuclear weapons, and will target every Islamic centre with their own. 2 billion people fried in one attack by the wests nuclear arsenal will put the brakes on any intentions of using nuclear weapons. Then there is the simple matter of expelling all muslims from the west as aggressive aliens, those that refuse interned till the end of hostilities in segregated camps. Stopping all trade with the likes of Saudi which relies on food from the west would soon see the islamists back down their holes when the starving millions started dying in the streets.

Remember at the end of the day islam need the west more than the west needs islam

You make a good German.

 

[Phoenall]

Stop it, pbel, yer scarin' everybody...

When Israel and Saudi Arabia team up against the jihadists and Shias, fear is on their collective minds...

I think Saudi Arabia's royal autocrats are probably the ones afraid.

They can afford to leave and buy an island in the Caribbean, the islamists cant afford to have their food and water supplies cut of. Oil wells are great while they are pumping oil, once they stop they are just scrap metal. You cant sell oil while it is 10 miles underground and rotting away..

 

[Phoenall]

What is it with you and thinking that the growing number of Arabs will be Israels demise?? Israel is already surrounded by over a billion of them, and none of them are doing anything. You think if there's another 500 million, it will make a difference?

Are you saying the long discussed "demographic threat" is a fable?

How many times have the hostile arabs tried to destroy Israel and failed, and they were always outnumbering the Jews at least 1,000 to 1. The arabs can breed like flies all they want it will just end up with more dead arabs from starvation, disease and overcrowding. They will never be a valid threat because they don't have the firepower of discipline needed to engage in all out war. Which country in the M.E. will take in the surplus population when they themselves are overpopulated and suffering the same problems.

 

[Phoenall]

Are you saying the long discussed "demographic threat" is a fable?

Israel has a population of 8 million and she is surrounded by over a billion Arabs. So what;s your point ?

There are a little more than a billion Muslims, how can there be a billion "Arabs". Which is a cultural and linguistic distinction only.

The world population of muslims is believed to be in the region of 2.2 billion and growing by 3% a year. This is why they are migrating to the west to relieve the pressure on their own countries. The biggest majority of muslims reside in Arabic areas and is believed to be 1.2 billion. These areas can not sustain their own populations and they must import basic foods to survive. We are fast approaching saturation point and food will become scarce outside of the food producing nations leading to widescale famine and civil wars until nature has once more redressed the balance. The answer is to impose a worldwide birth control programme that sets a limit on how many children a family can have, and details the punishments for non compliance.

 

[Phoenall]

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

What is it with you and thinking that the growing number of Arabs will be Israels demise?? Israel is already surrounded by over a billion of them, and none of them are doing anything. You think if there's another 500 million, it will make a difference?

its not numbers its the proliferation of WMD's and the potential that they will be used. If the next 68 years in Israel are like the last 68, what do you think?

And the first one used will see WW3 breakout, and your muslim friends facing extinction. There will be no more playing by the book and following the rules of war, it will be just a bloodbath with anyone as a target. You can forget International law and the Geneva conventions until after the conflict. and then the victors will impose their revenge on islam and execute the muslim leaders left alive. Then the M.E will be carved up by the west and martial law imposed, leaving Israel as an oasis of prosperity surrounded by death and destruction.

 

[Phoenall]

And which side is putting all the obstacles in the way of peace,

Since Israel has constructed over 500 of them restricting the movement of Palestinian's in the West Bank and the Pals have constructed none, I'd say the "obstacles" are Israel's.

which side is demanding illegal and unworkable pre conditions before they will even agree to meet. A clue it is not Israel which is placing negotiation points on the table as part of the peace talks.

There's no reason to meet and nothing to negotiate. Israel needs to comply with International Law. That's it! Stop breaking the god-damn law and get the **** off land that isn't yours.

Two things to consider the settlements have been shown to be built on actual JEWISH OWNED land by peacenow who LIED to racially demonise Israel. What International Law id Israel not complying with, and we need actual words from International law. They are in full compliance with the Geneva Conventions and the right of return, or are you another NAZI JEW HATER that thinks the right of return does not apply to the 1 million Jews forcibly expelled from their land in 1948/1949 ?

 

[Phoenall]

How so when it was the muslims that have and are dispossessing Jews and Christians of their land, and have done since 630 C.E.

Now the shoe is on the other foot they are bleating about how unfair it is for them to be treated in the same manner as they treated others. In gaza the Christians are being ethnically cleansed because the muslims want only a muslim zone to exist

Where's your proof of that?

The Koran and hadiths that spell out how the muslims must kill the Jews and Christians and expel them from the land. Then recent history that shows how the population of Jews and Christians have been decimated in Islamic nations over the last 200 years. Then the reports coming out of gaza by the fleeing Christians who tell of the treatment by the muslims

Persecution of Palestinian Christians By Palestinian Muslims

Israel a Haven for Christians Amid Islamic Persecution in Middle East - Religion Today Blog

The truth about Islamic persecution of Christians all round the world.

 

[Phoenall]

The Israeli's can execute laws that expel islamists from the country and it will not be illegal. The world will not allow all the rogue states in the M.E. to have nuclear weapons, and will target every Islamic centre with their own. 2 billion people fried in one attack by the wests nuclear arsenal will put the brakes on any intentions of using nuclear weapons. Then there is the simple matter of expelling all muslims from the west as aggressive aliens, those that refuse interned till the end of hostilities in segregated camps. Stopping all trade with the likes of Saudi which relies on food from the west would soon see the islamists back down their holes when the starving millions started dying in the streets.

Remember at the end of the day islam need the west more than the west needs islam

You make a good German.

Because I am a pragmatist who sees the solutions that others are too scared to voice. Can your country expel islamists and if so why deny the same rights to Israel
Would you feel safe if the rogue states in the M.E. had nuclear weapons, and would you expect the USA to take action against them if they did
Don't you think that the USA and the other western powers should be allowed to protect their citizens from potential attacks
As enemies they can be expelled or interned, just as the Germans, Italians and Japanese were during WW2.
Yet you see no problem in stopping all trade and diplomacy with Israel because they are JOOOOOS.....


As I said the muslims need the west more that the west needs muslims