I will not Bow!

[Victory67]

The Jews - and the Israelis - do not need to be liked.

Being liked is always nice, and a good thing to have, but it's not necessary.

What IS necessary is survival - form a sustainable, militarily defensible position.

Which is why they do what they do.

Entirely understandable.

And an awesome and marvelous demonstration of self-restraint on their part.

Israel is desperate to be loved. They cry every day about boycotts and divestment.

They cry every day about how unfair the world is to poor Israel.

And if they are boycotted and kicked out of the UN for engaging in massive ethnic cleansing, they will cry some more about how "unfairly" they are being treated.

And the world will laugh cause they will have finally caught on to Israel's game.

 

[Phoenall]

Where did they say that state was? A state should be inside their defined territory.

After the 1948 war, Israel was established on a more extensive territory than recommended in the partition plan. By entering into the Armistice Agreement with Egypt in 1949, Israel, demonstrated a sufficient level of stable and effective government of the territory to be recognised as a state by other states and the UN. Israel was effectively and lawfully established as a state, on the armistice territory, by secession from the Mandate of Palestine. A state for the Palestinians living in the Mandate of Palestine was never created and this unrealised goal still constitutes one of the core issues of the conflict.

After the 1948 war, Israel was established on a more extensive territory than recommended in the partition plan.

The plan is meaningless. The plan never happened.

A state can be declared by a people inside their own defined territory.

Where was that?

As defined by the map of the partition plan, that lasted until the arab armies invaded Israel and tried ti wipe out the Jews. Now the borders of Israel are those mutually agreed with Egypt and Jordan and the armistice/ceasefire lines between Syria and Lebanon. Palestine has no borders with Israel until it negotiates them.

 

[Victory67]

As defined by the map of the partition plan, that lasted until the arab armies invaded Israel and tried ti wipe out the Jews. Now the borders of Israel are those mutually agreed with Egypt and Jordan and the armistice/ceasefire lines between Syria and Lebanon. Palestine has no borders with Israel until it negotiates them.

The United Nations last year recognized Palestine as a non-member state.

This state was declared in 1988 and its borders are the Gaza Strip and all of the West Bank.

The United Nations considers all of the West Bank to be Occupied Territory, which it is.

 

[RoccoR]

Victory67, et al,

Well, it is both.

As defined by the map of the partition plan, that lasted until the arab armies invaded Israel and tried ti wipe out the Jews. Now the borders of Israel are those mutually agreed with Egypt and Jordan and the armistice/ceasefire lines between Syria and Lebanon. Palestine has no borders with Israel until it negotiates them.

The United Nations last year recognized Palestine as a non-member state.

This state was declared in 1988 and its borders are the Gaza Strip and all of the West Bank.

The United Nations considers all of the West Bank to be Occupied Territory, which it is.

(COMMENT)

It is occupied territory in the State of Palestine. It is part of the Article V - Oslo Accord (I) in which (Para 3): "It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest." It is pending "the outcome of the permanent status negotiations."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

Most Friendlies prefer the term 'Population Transfer'.

As in the massive 'transfer' of Jewish populations from Muslim countries in the 1948-1975 timeframe.

'Humanity' didn't do diddly-squat for the Jews when the Jews were being 'ethnically cleansed' or 'transferred' from their European homes into ghettos and camps...

'Humanity' didn't do diddly-squat for the Jews when the Muslim-Arabs were kicking them or pressuring them out of one Muslim country after another in the 1948-1975 timeframe...

What makes you think 'Humanity' is going to do diddly-squate when the Jews finally turn the tables and evict and expel a couple of million hostiles?

If you and Israel are willing to suffer world-wide boycott and total paraia status, be my guest. Just don't cry about "anti-Semitism" when it happens because the world will laugh.

I have no stake in that. It's entirely their call. I'm sure they'll be adequately prepared and weather the consequences, until the world (quickly) forgets about it and relents in whatever lightweight and negligible wrist-slap that it determines upon.

"...I wonder if your allies in the forum will finally condemn your racist calls for ethnic cleansing."

Which long-standing pro-Palestinian troll - and newly manifested sock puppet - are you again? I forget. You presume far too much for a genuine 'new' poster. I have no 'allies', although I do have colleagues, including yourself.

If I was being racist, I would advocate for the expulsion of all Arab-Muslim citizens of Israel, as well as the hostile populations in the West Bank and Gaza, and there is no evidence of that here. Nice try. Not.

Such 'cleansing' is more like the eviction and expulsion of a hostile population, rather than simply slaughtering them, which would be a true 'crime against humanity' in the classic sense.

And, given that Arab-Muslim countries of the region expelled and pressured the departure of the better part of 1,000,000 Jews from their own soil in the 1948-1975 timeframe, and for no better reason than their religious confession, rather than the Jews suicide-bombing them and launching large-scale rocket-barrages at them - well, the Jews have shown marvelous restraint, by comparison, and would be doing less, and with far greater provocation, than that associated with the Ethnic Cleansing of Jews from Arab countries durign that timeframe. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

As to your obvoius ploy of 'divide and conquer', well... good luck with that, junior.

A little too sophomoric for my taste, but that's just me.

 

[Kondor3]

As defined by the map of the partition plan, that lasted until the arab armies invaded Israel and tried ti wipe out the Jews. Now the borders of Israel are those mutually agreed with Egypt and Jordan and the armistice/ceasefire lines between Syria and Lebanon. Palestine has no borders with Israel until it negotiates them.

The United Nations last year recognized Palestine as a non-member state. This state was declared in 1988 and its borders are the Gaza Strip and all of the West Bank. The United Nations considers all of the West Bank to be Occupied Territory, which it is.

Machts nichts.

Means nothing.

A great many so-called States have materialized, and some even recognized by the UN in whole or in part, only to collapse or die, and slide off the map.

Palestine will be joining the list of Defunct States at some point in the not-too-distant future.

It is non-viable... and will not survive on its own, once removed from life support.

Best to pull the plug and let it expire sooner rather than later, so that the world can get on with far more important matters.

 

[Kondor3]

The Jews - and the Israelis - do not need to be liked.

Being liked is always nice, and a good thing to have, but it's not necessary.

What IS necessary is survival - form a sustainable, militarily defensible position.

Which is why they do what they do.

Entirely understandable.

And an awesome and marvelous demonstration of self-restraint on their part.

Israel is desperate to be loved. They cry every day about boycotts and divestment.

They cry every day about how unfair the world is to poor Israel.

And if they are boycotted and kicked out of the UN for engaging in massive ethnic cleansing, they will cry some more about how "unfairly" they are being treated.

And the world will laugh cause they will have finally caught on to Israel's game.

Any more input on this from anybody else on the Palestinian cheerleading squad?

 

[Victory67]

Which long-standing pro-Palestinian troll - and newly manifested sock puppet - are you again? I forget. You presume far too much for a genuine 'new' poster. I have no 'allies', although I do have colleagues, including yourself.

If I was being racist, I would advocte for the expulsion of all Arab-Muslim citizens of Israel, as well as the hostile populations in the West Bank and Gaza, and there is no evidence of that here. Nice try. Not.

So because you only want to commit a crime against humanity against the people of the West Bank, you're not a racist? That would be an interesting argument to make at The Hague. Hopefully I can get a seat and watch the proceedings. Will be the best show since the Eichmann trial.

As far as being a "troll", you and others have been desperately trolling me for days on end with nonstop taunts and vicious attacks. Its been an educating experience for me though as I now understand why people throughout the world who have no history of anti-Semitism whatsover, HATE Israelis.

Now its clear as a bell. Crystal clear.

 

[Kondor3]

Which long-standing pro-Palestinian troll - and newly manifested sock puppet - are you again? I forget. You presume far too much for a genuine 'new' poster. I have no 'allies', although I do have colleagues, including yourself.

If I was being racist, I would advocte for the expulsion of all Arab-Muslim citizens of Israel, as well as the hostile populations in the West Bank and Gaza, and there is no evidence of that here. Nice try. Not.

"...So because you only want to commit a crime against humanity against the people of the West Bank..."

The moment you get the Hague to put the Muslim-Arab perpetrators of Jewish Expulsion from Muslim Countries on trial for Crimes Against Humanity, you'll get better traction with that cheap dime-store tactic.

"...you're not a racist?..."

There are MANY ways in which someone can commit a crime against humanity without being a racist.

Example: Nazi leadership was charged with initiating unprovoked aggressive war and the specifications referenced a crime against humanity, without regard to racism.

Example: Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Bashar Assad of Syria have utilized gas weapons against their own civilian populations - a crime against humanity - which has zero to do with racism.

And those are just two examples that come to mind on a moment's notice.

Nice try, though.

Not.

"...That would be an interesting argument to make at The Hague..."

Argument already made here-and-now, and successfully put to rest.

"...Hopefully I can get a seat and watch the proceedings.Will be the best show since the Eichmann trial."

Bring a book. You're in for a long wait.

"...As far as being a 'troll', you and others have been desperately trolling me for days on end with nonstop taunts and vicious attacks..."

Feel free to serve-up an example of me viciously attacking you - initiating hostilities - at your discretion.

"...Its been an educating experience for me though as I now understand why people throughout the world who have no history of anti-Semitism whatsover, HATE Israelis. Now its clear as a bell. Crystal clear."

You're not fooling anybody, you know...

 

[toastman]

The Jews - and the Israelis - do not need to be liked.

Being liked is always nice, and a good thing to have, but it's not necessary.

What IS necessary is survival - form a sustainable, militarily defensible position.

Which is why they do what they do.

Entirely understandable.

And an awesome and marvelous demonstration of self-restraint on their part.

Israel is desperate to be loved. They cry every day about boycotts and divestment.

They cry every day about how unfair the world is to poor Israel.

And if they are boycotted and kicked out of the UN for engaging in massive ethnic cleansing, they will cry some more about how "unfairly" they are being treated.

And the world will laugh cause they will have finally caught on to Israel's game.

LOL You have it all mixed up. Not surprising though, as it appears that you are another victim of Palestinian/Arab propaganda.

It's the Palestinians who are whining and crying daily that Israel is unfair to them.

It's the Palestinian supporters who are crying and whining that Israel is unfair to the Palestinians

What they both forget to mention is that the situation that the Palestinians are in is a DIRECT result of their war mongering and hateful nature.
You reap what you sow .

The world can laugh all they want, but Israel has their country, the Palestinians don't. Israel is in control, the Palestinians aren't.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Victory67, et al,

Well, it is both.

As defined by the map of the partition plan, that lasted until the arab armies invaded Israel and tried ti wipe out the Jews. Now the borders of Israel are those mutually agreed with Egypt and Jordan and the armistice/ceasefire lines between Syria and Lebanon. Palestine has no borders with Israel until it negotiates them.

The United Nations last year recognized Palestine as a non-member state.

This state was declared in 1988 and its borders are the Gaza Strip and all of the West Bank.

The United Nations considers all of the West Bank to be Occupied Territory, which it is.

(COMMENT)

It is occupied territory in the State of Palestine. It is part of the Article V - Oslo Accord (I) in which (Para 3): "It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest." It is pending "the outcome of the permanent status negotiations."

Most Respectfully,
R

Which will be when hell freezes over. There is no intention of a peace agreement.

It is just a dog and pony show.

 

[Kondor3]

"...There is no intention of a peace agreement..."

On either side.

"...It is just a dog and pony show."

Agreed.

 

[montelatici]

"What they both forget to mention is that the situation that the Palestinians are in is a DIRECT result of their war mongering and hateful nature.
You reap what you sow ."

You don't think that the fact that the Jews dispossessed the Christians and Muslims of their land and homeland might have just a little bit to do with it?

 

[pbel]

The Jews - and the Israelis - do not need to be liked.

Being liked is always nice, and a good thing to have, but it's not necessary.

What IS necessary is survival - form a sustainable, militarily defensible position.

Which is why they do what they do.

Entirely understandable.

And an awesome and marvelous demonstration of self-restraint on their part.

Israel is desperate to be loved. They cry every day about boycotts and divestment.

They cry every day about how unfair the world is to poor Israel.

And if they are boycotted and kicked out of the UN for engaging in massive ethnic cleansing, they will cry some more about how "unfairly" they are being treated.

And the world will laugh cause they will have finally caught on to Israel's game.

LOL You have it all mixed up. Not surprising though, as it appears that you are another victim of Palestinian/Arab propaganda.

It's the Palestinians who are whining and crying daily that Israel is unfair to them.

It's the Palestinian supporters who are crying and whining that Israel is unfair to the Palestinians

What they both forget to mention is that the situation that the Palestinians are in is a DIRECT result of their war mongering and hateful nature.
You reap what you sow .

The world can laugh all they want, but Israel has their country, the Palestinians don't. Israel is in control, the Palestinians aren't.

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

 

[Kondor3]

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

Stop it, pbel, yer scarin' everybody...

 

[toastman]

"...There is no intention of a peace agreement..."

On either side.

"...It is just a dog and pony show."

Agreed.

Very true. But the sad part is that there are many many people on both sides who actually believe that there might be an agreement reached from these peace talks.

False hope.

 

[pbel]

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

Stop it, pbel, yer scarin' everybody...

When Israel and Saudi Arabia team up against the jihadists and Shias, fear is on their collective minds...

 

[montelatici]

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

Stop it, pbel, yer scarin' everybody...

When Israel and Saudi Arabia team up against the jihadists and Shias, fear is on their collective minds...

I think Saudi Arabia's royal autocrats are probably the ones afraid.

 

[toastman]

Israel is desperate to be loved. They cry every day about boycotts and divestment.

They cry every day about how unfair the world is to poor Israel.

And if they are boycotted and kicked out of the UN for engaging in massive ethnic cleansing, they will cry some more about how "unfairly" they are being treated.

And the world will laugh cause they will have finally caught on to Israel's game.

LOL You have it all mixed up. Not surprising though, as it appears that you are another victim of Palestinian/Arab propaganda.

It's the Palestinians who are whining and crying daily that Israel is unfair to them.

It's the Palestinian supporters who are crying and whining that Israel is unfair to the Palestinians

What they both forget to mention is that the situation that the Palestinians are in is a DIRECT result of their war mongering and hateful nature.
You reap what you sow .

The world can laugh all they want, but Israel has their country, the Palestinians don't. Israel is in control, the Palestinians aren't.

As usual you and your friends of the "Israel can do no wrong club," are short sighted...The ME has changed, changed dramatically...The Arab Spring has brought the centuries of festering wounds of the haves and have not's to the surface...Every election has been won by Islamists...Even Saudi Arabia fears her home-grown Islamists.

Israel in the next century will never contain Islam's numbers Sampson will look like Mickey Mouse in a hundred years to a nuclear armed ME...

Remember that in these phony peace talks by the Israeli Right Wing.

What is it with you and thinking that the growing number of Arabs will be Israels demise?? Israel is already surrounded by over a billion of them, and none of them are doing anything. You think if there's another 500 million, it will make a difference?

 

[Victory67]

What is it with you and thinking that the growing number of Arabs will be Israels demise?? Israel is already surrounded by over a billion of them, and none of them are doing anything. You think if there's another 500 million, it will make a difference?

Are you saying the long discussed "demographic threat" is a fable?