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Forced by whom?
No one ever said that Palestinian Arabs had no rights. We just mention how they had no sovereignty .
It's the Arab propagandists that like to yell a different story, like you.
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You must be referring to the Galileans from Rhode Island:
Galilee, Rhode Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
because the ones from the Middle East looked like this:
Historically Accurate Depiction of Christ Versus The Traditional
This is the image of Christ presented by the History Channel after extensive research of
Jesus' lineage and of Galilean Jews of that era.
This is the image of Christ presented by the History Channel after extensive research of
Jesus' lineage and of Galilean Jews of that era.
MhunterB:
Despite being europeans (racially), your national identity as an ashkenazi woman is real, is 100% legitimate, you are a distinct people, totally separated from the european gentile population.
Despite sharing the same genes you are a separate people due to:
1 the way you pray
2 the way you dress
3 the way you eat
4 the way you speak
and more important than all these cultural aspects:
5 THE WAY YOU THINK ABOUT YOURSELVES (as a separate people).
I'm merely repeating all the things I said in an exhaustive manner when I wrote a thread about this subject specially for the jewish members of the board.
I try to be fair to the jewish people to the best of my abilities.
You'll never see me on this board denying the legitimacy of the national identity of modern jews like you, Lipush, toastman, ForeverYoung, Sally deny the legitimacy of the palestinian national identity at least once a day, and Roudy at least 50 times a day.
The problem is that my recognition of the legitimacy of your national identity is not enough for you...
You want people to accept a mithological jewish ancestry linking you (the modern jewish people) to the ancient jewish people (the semitic people who lived in the Middle East).
And this is insane, hunter... you're asking me to deny a reality that's in front of my eyes and this is where I have to draw the line and say no...
If you force me to choose between pleasing european jews by accepting an insanity, a nuttery or displeasing them by telling the truth you probably know what I and any reasonable person will choose.
Answering Kondor's question:
Toastman, hunter, Lipush, FY, SAYIT are not clowns when they say the are not european gentiles but a distinct people because this is what they really are.
But they do become clowns when they try to push on others an imaginary ancestry that goes against the most basic empirical evidence.
I'm not "denigrating" the jewish people by saying this as SAYIT put it. If you don't want to be called a clown don't display clownish behavior.
This is exactly the way I treat the palestinian national identity.
The palestinian national identity is real, they are not "generic arabs", syrians, egyptians like Roudy regurgitates over and over and over.
They really are a distinct people within the arab macro-ethnicity.
But just like your people, hunter, many palestinians do not think this recognition is enough. They want people to accept a non-existent strong, direct genetic link between the arab people of Palestine and one of the ancient biblical peoples like the Philistines to strenghthen their claim as natives of the land.
This is when palestinians also become clowns, insisting on a mithological origin based on fables, fantasies. At this point, all the serious arguments about the formation of the palestinian national identity gave way to sheer madness, nuttery and mockery.
They are indeed the natives of the land by virtue of having lived there for hundreds of years together with the native jews.
They are natives unlike ashkenazis like Gurion due to the fact they lived there for hundreds of years but they're not the descendents of any ancient biblical people.
(Askhenazi) Jews and Palestinians are not clowns when they say they possess legitimate real national identities. But they do behave like clowns when they try to convince others of a mithological ancient ancestry that only exists on their minds.
Despite being europeans (racially), your national identity as an ashkenazi woman is real, is 100% legitimate, you are a distinct people, totally separated from the european gentile population.
Despite sharing the same genes you are a separate people due to:
1 the way you pray
2 the way you dress
3 the way you eat
4 the way you speak
and more important than all these cultural aspects:
5 THE WAY YOU THINK ABOUT YOURSELVES (as a separate people).
I'm merely repeating all the things I said in an exhaustive manner when I wrote a thread about this subject specially for the jewish members of the board.
I try to be fair to the jewish people to the best of my abilities.
You'll never see me on this board denying the legitimacy of the national identity of modern jews like you, Lipush, toastman, ForeverYoung, Sally deny the legitimacy of the palestinian national identity at least once a day, and Roudy at least 50 times a day.
The problem is that my recognition of the legitimacy of your national identity is not enough for you...
You want people to accept a mithological jewish ancestry linking you (the modern jewish people) to the ancient jewish people (the semitic people who lived in the Middle East).
And this is insane, hunter... you're asking me to deny a reality that's in front of my eyes and this is where I have to draw the line and say no...
If you force me to choose between pleasing european jews by accepting an insanity, a nuttery or displeasing them by telling the truth you probably know what I and any reasonable person will choose.
Answering Kondor's question:
Toastman, hunter, Lipush, FY, SAYIT are not clowns when they say the are not european gentiles but a distinct people because this is what they really are.
But they do become clowns when they try to push on others an imaginary ancestry that goes against the most basic empirical evidence.
I'm not "denigrating" the jewish people by saying this as SAYIT put it. If you don't want to be called a clown don't display clownish behavior.
This is exactly the way I treat the palestinian national identity.
The palestinian national identity is real, they are not "generic arabs", syrians, egyptians like Roudy regurgitates over and over and over.
They really are a distinct people within the arab macro-ethnicity.
But just like your people, hunter, many palestinians do not think this recognition is enough. They want people to accept a non-existent strong, direct genetic link between the arab people of Palestine and one of the ancient biblical peoples like the Philistines to strenghthen their claim as natives of the land.
This is when palestinians also become clowns, insisting on a mithological origin based on fables, fantasies. At this point, all the serious arguments about the formation of the palestinian national identity gave way to sheer madness, nuttery and mockery.
They are indeed the natives of the land by virtue of having lived there for hundreds of years together with the native jews.
They are natives unlike ashkenazis like Gurion due to the fact they lived there for hundreds of years but they're not the descendents of any ancient biblical people.
(Askhenazi) Jews and Palestinians are not clowns when they say they possess legitimate real national identities. But they do behave like clowns when they try to convince others of a mithological ancient ancestry that only exists on their minds.
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This post is the epitome of zionist insanity....
The british zionist prefers to deny a reality that's in front of his eyes, that was rubbed in his face instead of abandoning a mythological origin "backed-up" by DNA "tests" making a big fuss out of residual genetic inheritance financed by the israeli government to serve a political agenda.
Kondor, you (and the rest of the sane world) don't need any DNA test to know this guy is not an australian aborigine:
You don't need any DNA test to know this old man and his granddaughter are not Han chinese either:
Their phenotypes together with your common sense are more than enough for you to avoid this kind of gross mistakes.
But you refuse to accept that this girl is of slavic germanic stock without a DNA test:
You don't allow her phenotype and your common sense to guide you to the right conclusion because of you agenda, Kondor, because you desperately need this girl to be of semitic extraction so you can use her genes to legitimize the state of Israel.
So just like Phoenall you decide to deny a reality that's in front of your eyes.
Sally does make a good point when she says there's no absolute, perfect link between phenotype and genotype a point that MhunterB has made in the past, too.
But let's not make too much of a good argument... Phenotype is a pretty good indication of someone's ancestry... When you see a blond, blue-eyed, pink skinned German its almost certain he's at least 90% caucasian.
It's interesting to note that the rare occasions people become sistematically "suspicious" of the phenotype-genotype relationship is exactly in situations such as this, when they are trying to validate a mithological ancestry.
In your daily lives I bet you, MhunterB and Sally are not nearly as sceptical of phenotypes as you are when you are here debating Israel.
So if someday you lose interest in legitimising the creation of the state of Israel I'm sure you'll have no problem calling that girl what your eyes tell you she really is: an european female.
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Sally is also right when she says that I probably have some jewish ancestry by virtue of being hispanic since jews settled in Spain and Portugal even before the diaspora of 70 AD and from then on there were more Jews in that part of the world than saguaros in the Sonoran desert.
But just like the Askhenazim from Eastern Europe it's a vestigial ancestry at best.
Askhenazi Jews, the founders of Israel, have either:
1 No jewish ancestry at all being the descendants of converts
2 or a residual ancestry ranging from 0,1 to 1 or 2%.
You are free to call us all "hybrids" due to that extremely dilluted jewish heritage. It's technically correct but it would be an extremely misleading use of the word.
But just like the Askhenazim from Eastern Europe it's a vestigial ancestry at best.
Askhenazi Jews, the founders of Israel, have either:
1 No jewish ancestry at all being the descendants of converts
2 or a residual ancestry ranging from 0,1 to 1 or 2%.
You are free to call us all "hybrids" due to that extremely dilluted jewish heritage. It's technically correct but it would be an extremely misleading use of the word.
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Jose, you need to understand something very important.
Israel belongs to the Jews. So it doesn't matter if half of them are semitic and the other half not. The non semitic Israeli jews do not need to justify the fact that they live in Israel, because their ancestors might be from Europe.
Israel is a Jewish State, not a Semitic Jewish state.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say
Israel belongs to the Jews. So it doesn't matter if half of them are semitic and the other half not. The non semitic Israeli jews do not need to justify the fact that they live in Israel, because their ancestors might be from Europe.
Israel is a Jewish State, not a Semitic Jewish state.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say
José;8877838 said:
Hmm, wonder if Jose can prove to us that the Jews went to Spain and Portugal before the Dispora. This is the first I heard of it. I was under the impression that there were always Jews living in the area, but that many of them left -- some to Espanola and some to Eastern Europe and Germany. Perhaps Jose can show us some regular encyclopedia which states that these Jews left before 70 A.D.
By the way, Jose seems to have no problems with the Arabs leaving the Saudi Peninsula way. way after 70 A.D. to invade the surrounding countries. Does anyone think that Jose would bring up the fact that these Arabs were not in many of these Middle East countries until about 700 A.D. but somehow now run these countries? I would think that a good Hispanic Catholic boy like Jose would have a problem with Catholics and other Christians in those countries being unable to practice their beliefs in peace. Evidently this doesn't bother him at all, not even when so many of them are murdered.
Anyhow, Jose, check to see if your last name is one of the original Sephardic Jewish names, such as Perez, Gomez, Torres, Menendez, etc. An interesting name is Gutierrez. The ierrez in that name means Israel. A Mexican woman told me all this, and perhaps Jose will be curious enough to check it out.
Hossfly
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He must mean th UN. But they have no gonads.
Jose, if you go back and look at my original again, you'll see that I was conceding the reality of large-scale and wide-ranging genome admixture over the course of 2,000 years, and conceding that today's Jews are a mixture of (1) the original Hebrew strain and (2) the gene-markers of wide-ranging converts to Judaism and (3) other peoples - including blond-haired, blue-eyed types.
Oh, and, I have no need (desperate or otherwise) to 'legitimize' the Jews' presence in Israel with DNA tests, etc.
I'm sure that millions of European Jews who went to the Einzatzgruppen Pits and the Gas Chambers had little or no Hebrew tribal blood in their veins, either.
I'm an Irish-German lapsed Roman Catholic boy from the Chicago metro area and am not a stakeholder in the 'legitimacy-by-blood-inheritance' game.
I'm merely an avid Israel supporter who has a workable layman's understanding of ethnic and racial and genotype admixture over the centuries, and the migrations and driftings of the core racial and ethnic groups of Man, without claiming any particular expertise on the subject.
And, when I refer to the Jewish homeland, I almost exclusively refer to it as the Jews' "ancestral and spiritual" homeland - with the 'spiritual' part conceding by implication that a large percentage of Jews in Israel have little or no genetic (ancestral) connection with the Hebrew tribes of antiquity.
Just so we're clear.
No... the sacrifices and audacity of the people who fought to carve a resurrected Israel out of Old Palestine and who maintain it with their determination and courage, are all the legitimacy that Israel needs in the eyes of many around the world.
Oh, and, I have no need (desperate or otherwise) to 'legitimize' the Jews' presence in Israel with DNA tests, etc.
I'm sure that millions of European Jews who went to the Einzatzgruppen Pits and the Gas Chambers had little or no Hebrew tribal blood in their veins, either.
I'm an Irish-German lapsed Roman Catholic boy from the Chicago metro area and am not a stakeholder in the 'legitimacy-by-blood-inheritance' game.
I'm merely an avid Israel supporter who has a workable layman's understanding of ethnic and racial and genotype admixture over the centuries, and the migrations and driftings of the core racial and ethnic groups of Man, without claiming any particular expertise on the subject.
And, when I refer to the Jewish homeland, I almost exclusively refer to it as the Jews' "ancestral and spiritual" homeland - with the 'spiritual' part conceding by implication that a large percentage of Jews in Israel have little or no genetic (ancestral) connection with the Hebrew tribes of antiquity.
Just so we're clear.
No... the sacrifices and audacity of the people who fought to carve a resurrected Israel out of Old Palestine and who maintain it with their determination and courage, are all the legitimacy that Israel needs in the eyes of many around the world.
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José;8877781 said:
You must be referring to the Galileans from Rhode Island:
Galilee, Rhode Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
because the ones from the Middle East looked like this:
Historically Accurate Depiction of Christ Versus The Traditional
This is the image of Christ presented by the History Channel after extensive research of
Jesus' lineage and of Galilean Jews of that era.
Esau and the Phoenicians had red hair. Indo-european mummies in China from 1800 BCE have red hair. Hurrians, Terah's origin, are depicted with blond and red hair and light colored eyes.
Those south of the fertile crescent tended to be of darker complexion and hair color in ancient times.
Semitic language in the south has Ethiopian origin. Hebrew, Aramaic, Phoenician and Ugarit are of northern origin.
"Semitic" is not of one origin across the region.
Hossfly
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