I will not Bow!

[Billo_Really]

HAHAHAHA
And the tough guy drama queen comes out again.

Just reminding you Billo, you are posting from behind a computer screen

I've told you more than once where you could find me, if you wanted to say something to me face-to-face.

But you are right, I am posting from behind a computer screen.

How's things on your side?

 

[toastman]

Lol what a loser you are Billo. Keep on acting tough on the internet, if it makes you feel better

 

[Billo_Really]

Lol what a loser you are Billo. Keep on acting tough on the internet, if it makes you feel better

That's all on you, not me.

I'm not acting anything.

That is your perception. Own it!

 

[Kondor3]

Are you seeing something or was that a misspelling Queerie?

What does any of this have to do with the topic at hand?

This does nothing to advance the discussion re: the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

You want a piece of me, sweet-cheeks, take it to the Flame Zone, and I'll be happy to tear you a new one.

Meanwhile, try to do a better job of laying-off the ad hominem attacks and focusing upon the subject matter.

Not that you're much good at that to begin with...

I get a weirdo like you coming back adding the post total and showing the audience that Kondor which is a large Vulture lives up to its name by Jingoists juvenile boasting and hails of Israeli Knoquests as though he was Caesar! "Kill the Palestinians, drive them out. losers blah blah blah.

Stop posting like your pushing Toy soldiers if you want to discuss the ME.

Come back when you're sober and coherent...

 

[MHunterB]

Gee, it would begin to be possible to consider pbel's and tinny's accounts of ME history as not totally one-sided and prejudiced to the max, if only either of them would just once acknowledge the conspiracy by the Arab League nations to engage in ethnic cleansing of Jewish citizenry from their nations - stealing an area of land FOUR TIMES the size of Israel in the process.....

I am becoming more convinced with every post by each of them, that they only bother themselves to care about ethnic cleansing, land theft, abuse of *indigenous* populations and so on, when the purported 'aggressors' are likely to be Jews.

Their exclusive focus on wrongs purportedly *by* Jews - and the persistent 'invisbility' in their narrative of wrongs *inflicted* on Jews - is potent evidence of a considerable deep-seated bias in their view.

Not true!

I have endorsed many times, openly and publicly, the right of return for the Jews.

It is, however, a totally separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian refugee problem.

How about a simple statement that what the AL governments colluded to do to their own citizens was criminal?

Oh, that's right - you've advocated the US Government do the same thing to myself and a few million *other* native-born citizens. No wonder you refuse to speak up and call that behavior criminal....

 

[MHunterB]

Lol what a loser you are Billo. Keep on acting tough on the internet, if it makes you feel better

That's all on you, not me.

I'm not acting anything.

That is your perception. Own it!

LMAO! Ever the bully-boy, that's little Billo.....

 

[MHunterB]

"You are one disgusting racist, that's for sure. "

Tell me, Monte - were you looking in the mirror when you posted the above? Or were you talking to Jose who doesn't know what an albino looks like - and doesn't know that Galileans were reputed to be redheads two thousand or so years ago?

 

[RoccoR]

pbel, et al,

I don't think I can.

Honestly Rocco, can't you say it in a few words?...Geez.

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure that sound-bite discussions on this subject are even possible. I don't think there are very many issues (outside the realm of theology and science) more difficult to understand than the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and today's basic political situation and diplomacy --- in the attempt to resolve it in peaceful and amicable way.

With each sound-bite type interrogation and reply (interrogative and response) only leads to a widening in differences.

The objective is regional peace and security. How we get there doesn't depend on how well we like the solutions, but the acceptance of those solutions (compromise for the greater good).

"however he reads like a British Colonialist who reads out the rules and expects us to follow."

(COMMENT)

I might... That is a matter of perception.

The Arab Palestinian cannot consistently attempt to use International Laws, and the basic Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation against Israel ... and then be the aggressor --- unable to follow the basic rule of Settlement by peaceful means of disputes between States (A/RES/34/102). There is no special international dispensation granted the Arab-Palestinian to adopt hostile action.

American Policies thus far have been in support of Western Power to control Middle East Oil, Israel was supposed to be our lackey but AIPAC in America has made us Israel' lackey.

(COMMENT)

Of course there are US energy concerns. But none of them have anything to do with Israel or the conflict in a limited scope. The conflict was not about oil a century ago, it wasn't about oil a half-century ago, and it is not about oil now. The Arab Higher Committee made it very plain.

Now there are some internal Palestinian expanded issues; but that is Arab-Palestinian domestic in nature. Today, the basic issues are:

• The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
  
• A basic principle of international law is that no state may acquire territory by force. Israel has no valid claim to any part of the territory it occupied in 1967.
  
• The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over any part of the oPt, including East Jerusalem.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Lol what a loser you are Billo. Keep on acting tough on the internet, if it makes you feel better

That's all on you, not me.

I'm not acting anything.

That is your perception. Own it!

Riiiiight... Keep telling yourself that tough guy hahaha.

Ok, you had a hissy fit, is that better??

 

[MrMax]

Israel should attack Gaza and the WB until the arabs finally either surrender unconditionally and wave a white flag, or get wiped out. Either way works for me.

 

[pbel]

Israel should attack Gaza and the WB until the arabs finally either surrender unconditionally and wave a white flag, or get wiped out. Either way works for me.

Mind if we address you as MadMax?

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

I don't think I can.

Honestly Rocco, can't you say it in a few words?...Geez.

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure that sound-bite discussions on this subject are even possible. I don't think there are very many issues (outside the realm of theology and science) more difficult to understand than the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and today's basic political situation and diplomacy --- in the attempt to resolve it in peaceful and amicable way.

With each sound-bite type interrogation and reply (interrogative and response) only leads to a widening in differences.

The objective is regional peace and security. How we get there doesn't depend on how well we like the solutions, but the acceptance of those solutions (compromise for the greater good).

"however he reads like a British Colonialist who reads out the rules and expects us to follow."

(COMMENT)

I might... That is a matter of perception.

The Arab Palestinian cannot consistently attempt to use International Laws, and the basic Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation against Israel ... and then be the aggressor --- unable to follow the basic rule of Settlement by peaceful means of disputes between States (A/RES/34/102). There is no special international dispensation granted the Arab-Palestinian to adopt hostile action.

American Policies thus far have been in support of Western Power to control Middle East Oil, Israel was supposed to be our lackey but AIPAC in America has made us Israel' lackey.

(COMMENT)

Of course there are US energy concerns. But none of them have anything to do with Israel or the conflict in a limited scope. The conflict was not about oil a century ago, it wasn't about oil a half-century ago, and it is not about oil now. The Arab Higher Committee made it very plain.

Now there are some internal Palestinian expanded issues; but that is Arab-Palestinian domestic in nature. Today, the basic issues are:

• The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
  
• A basic principle of international law is that no state may acquire territory by force. Israel has no valid claim to any part of the territory it occupied in 1967.
  
• The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over any part of the oPt, including East Jerusalem.

Most Respectfully,
R

Simple, Concise, and Accurate...The UN next...USA will Abstain.

 

[MrMax]

Israel should attack Gaza and the WB until the arabs finally either surrender unconditionally and wave a white flag, or get wiped out. Either way works for me.

Mind if we address you as MadMax?

That's how we got Japan to surrender. The problem here is that Israel won't finish the war off, when they for sure can. Why let the Arabs shoot rockets at you? If Mexico was doing that because they wanted Texas back, we'd crush them like refried beans.

 

[pbel]

Israel should attack Gaza and the WB until the arabs finally either surrender unconditionally and wave a white flag, or get wiped out. Either way works for me.

Mind if we address you as MadMax?

That's how we got Japan to surrender. The problem here is that Israel won't finish the war off, when they for sure can. Why let the Arabs shoot rockets at you? If Mexico was doing that because they wanted Texas back, we'd crush them like refried beans.

The Mexicans did shoot back when we stole their land, and like the Middle East they are getting it all back without firing a shot through Demographics...

Time is on the Arab side...The UN does not recognize Israeli Annexations, not even America...

Go back to the 67 borders or lose in the end.

 

[Billo_Really]

Riiiiight... Keep telling yourself that tough guy hahaha.

Ok, you had a hissy fit, is that better??

This isn't about me. It's about you and what's-his-*****' reaction to my posts. I don't choose your reactions, you (and *****-boy) do. It's not my fault, you "choose" to think this is a "tough guy" issue, or phoestman thinking he can "choose" what my "intentions" are. Those are your choices and your decisions.

Why are you such a *****, you can't take ownership over the things you say?

Why are you such a coward, that you feel threatened if you can't control a conversation?

Why do you (and your Israeli kiss-ass, butt-buddy's) live in such total fear, that you have to personally attack everyone who criticizes Israeli policy?

This is just like the topic in the OP. I wouldn't "bow" to phoestman's take on my post and you think the problem is me! It's the same thing as thinking anyone who doesn't kiss Israeli ass, is an anti-Semite.

And all your arrogant, conceited, tough-guy talk in the world, is not going to make anyone (who has a set of balls), "bow" to your bullshit.

Now, **** off!

 

[Billo_Really]

The UN does not recognize Israeli Annexations, not even America...

After almost 50 years, you would think they would've caught that clue?

 

[MrMax]

Mind if we address you as MadMax?

That's how we got Japan to surrender. The problem here is that Israel won't finish the war off, when they for sure can. Why let the Arabs shoot rockets at you? If Mexico was doing that because they wanted Texas back, we'd crush them like refried beans.

The Mexicans did shoot back when we stole their land, and like the Middle East they are getting it all back without firing a shot through Demographics...

Time is on the Arab side...The UN does not recognize Israeli Annexations, not even America...

Go back to the 67 borders or lose in the end.

Mexico isn't ever getting shit back, neither are they even asking for anything back. The arabs should take their clue from Mexico, because Mexico prospered after having lost that war. So unless the arabs concede and surrender, their lot will never improve.

PS Nobody cares about what the UN thinks, just ask Russia.

 

[Billo_Really]

Mexico isn't ever getting shit back, neither are they even asking for anything back. The arabs should take their clue from Mexico, because Mexico prospered after having lost that war. So unless the arabs concede and surrender, their lot will never improve.

PS Nobody cares about what the UN thinks, just ask Russia.

If Israel won't voluntarily obey international law, then it should be forced to.

Just like we did with Japan and Nazi Germany.

 

[MrMax]

Mexico isn't ever getting shit back, neither are they even asking for anything back. The arabs should take their clue from Mexico, because Mexico prospered after having lost that war. So unless the arabs concede and surrender, their lot will never improve.

PS Nobody cares about what the UN thinks, just ask Russia.

If Israel won't voluntarily obey international law, then it should be forced to.

Just like we did with Japan and Nazi Germany.

Right after we attack Russia for invading Ukraine.

Japan attacked us directly, and The Nazis attacked our allies, which with had agreements with to defend.

Anyways, the Arabs don't seem to give a shit about Gaza and the WB, because I don't see ANY Arab country doing anything.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't think that was said at all.

Are you saying that Israel has no current intelligent and articulate people suitable for debate?

(COMMENT)

• The big question is: What would you debate?

Much of any Palestinian argument is based upon rights and protections that the Allied Powers fought for and extended to the Palestinian. Not a single contribution was ever made by the Arab-Palestinian or its ancestral linage.

• General Assembly Resolution 217 A (III) of 10 December 1948 - International Bill of Human Rights
• Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960
• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966)
• Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination (A/RES/49/148 23 December 1994)
• United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (General Assembly 61/295 13 September 2007)

Most Respectfully,
R

In disregard to your excess in verbosity and your sliming the Arabs/Palestinians, I will thank you for your link.

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

We hear constantly from Israel's propagandists that the Palestinians have no rights because they have never had an independent country or state. There is also a list of other excuses why they don't have rights. Of course none of this is true and the arguments that follow are not true because they are based on false premise.

From your link:

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.