I was there: My perspective on bowe bergdahl

[daveman]

Why do you hate soldiers? Isn't Bergdahl innocent or at least given the benefit of doubt until proven otherwise? Why your big rush to judgement?

I served my 20. I didn't walk away when it got hard. I didn't walk away when I didn't like the job. Bergdahl doesn't deserve respect. Obama doesn't deserve respect for freeing 5 high-level terrorists.

Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one. You're entitled to yours...

You support Obama releasing those bastards?

Not at all surprising, really.

 

[Misty]

What do our soldiers think about Bush lying to the entire world to start a war that the US designed to never end and torturing POWs like we're the Viet Cong?

Someone should ask them.

And what about Bush lying about Abu Ghraib? You think any of those prison guards really made all that shit up themselves? I don't.

If it wasn't for cherry-picking history, these righties wouldn't be able to post here at all.

Seriously you guys have to get a different rebuttal. This blaming Bush is past it's expiration date.

 

[KNB]

You don't want me to read more. You want me to immediately and unquestioningly agree with you.

Those links are to declassified Bush government documents. Do you understand? It's not an op-ed by Ronan Farrow. It's information put out by the Bush administration. Since you support Bush's war so much, read the papers from the Bush administration which point out how and when they manipulated false information regarding Iraq to justify the 2003 invasion.

"At this point, what does it matter?"

There will be no perp walk. No trial at the Hague. You will spend your life bitter and disappointed.

Guaranteed.

And that attitude is exactly why terrorism against the US will continue.

Guaranteed.

Like all Republicans, you intentionally left out the next line in her famous quote: "We're supposed to learn from our mistakes and make sure this kind of thing never happens again." Paraphrased, but still hollow words coming from a Clinton, and intentional propaganda when censored by Republicans. What's really ******* pathetic about the GOP is that if those 4 Americans hadn't died in Benghazi, you still wouldn't give a shit about them. You wouldn't know their names or even pretend to care. They're a political tool for you, nothing more, because you don't have souls.

Bush lied to start a war that the US government designed 30 years ago to never end. The fact that so many millions of Americans don't care is why a full third of the world's population hates the United States of America.

 

[Lakhota]

I served my 20. I didn't walk away when it got hard. I didn't walk away when I didn't like the job. Bergdahl doesn't deserve respect. Obama doesn't deserve respect for freeing 5 high-level terrorists.

Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one. You're entitled to yours...

You support Obama releasing those bastards?

Not at all surprising, really.

Yes, I support releasing them because people with much better information than you and I have access to made the decision based on various criteria that we don't know.

 

[KNB]

What do our soldiers think about Bush lying to the entire world to start a war that the US designed to never end and torturing POWs like we're the Viet Cong?

Someone should ask them.

And what about Bush lying about Abu Ghraib? You think any of those prison guards really made all that shit up themselves? I don't.

If it wasn't for cherry-picking history, these righties wouldn't be able to post here at all.

Seriously you guys have to get a different rebuttal. This blaming Bush is past it's expiration date.

Yeah, because war crimes have statutes of limitation, right? "Well, he's not in office anymore so it's almost like he never lied to start a war and then tortured anyone who resisted."

Bush will be alive for several more years. Plenty of time to lock him in a cage until he dies.

 

[bedowin62]

Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one. You're entitled to yours...

You support Obama releasing those bastards?

Not at all surprising, really.

Yes, I support releasing them because people with much better information than you and I have access to made the decision based on various criteria that we don't know.

you just blindly trust the people that made that decision because you have been conditioned believe everything the government says when the government is operated by people who hold your views

 

[ogibillm]

Here's what I got from the article - he wasn't "there"

he was near there. as a contractor - or as i like to call them, a piece of shit mercenary.

and he doesn't offer any new insight or evidence, he just offers his two cents based on the exact same information that everyone else has.

so why is his obviously partisan opinion worth anything again?

 

[Lakhota]

You support Obama releasing those bastards?

Not at all surprising, really.

Yes, I support releasing them because people with much better information than you and I have access to made the decision based on various criteria that we don't know.

you just blindly trust the people that made that decision because you have been conditioned believe everything the government says when the government is operated by people who hold your views

I cautiously trust those people until I learn otherwise. Journalists are pursuing the truth. I cautiously trusted Bush - until I learned he was lying.

 

[ron4342]

I WAS THERE: MY PERSPECTIVE ON BOWE BERGDAHL

A few days ago, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel took the stage at Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan and excitedly started with what he thought would be a big applause line. “We got him back!” he exclaimed.

Silence.

Not. Even. One. Clap.

Numerous White House leaks show that Obama and his team were convinced that Americans would greet the news of a returning POW with elation; that this would be the great moment in Obama’s second term. This shows just how clueless they are about the military. Let me clue them in.

You see, when Hagel took the stage, he expected joy at the announcement that one of their own was returned! However, you have to see inside a soldier’s mind to understand what was going on here. I believe I can provide a little insight.

When a soldier deserts his post, when he writes that he is ashamed to be an American, when he gives the enemy secrets (and he did), he is no longer “one of us”. He is a traitor. He is not a brother-in-arms.

Soldiers risk their lives for each other every day on the battlefield, there is a trust and respect they have for each other. For Bowe Bergdahl to break that trust and the Secretary of Defense to announce a hero’s welcome instead of a court-martial is a huge let-down.

He isn't one of their own. He is one of them. He is the enemy.

That's not something to celebrate.

The message the White House is sending is that they value treason more than honorable service.​

I presume you are familiar with the phrase
"No one left behind."
I have looked long and closely at that phrase. I do not see any conditions attached to it. Perhaps you could point out the conditions that say Bergdahl should be left behind.

Not saying he should be left behind. He should be brought home to face justice.

But trading him for 5 high-level terrorists, WHO HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO KILL AMERICANS AND AFGHANIS, is colossally stupid.

You can't have it both ways. I am sure that when Bergdahl is brought back his behavior will be closely examined by military courts who will make decisions as to what charges he should face. THAT, is not for you or me or the public to decide.
Now, as for the five prisoners who were traded, show me EXACTLY where "No one left behind" puts any restrictions on the number of prisoners traded.
To expand on the number of prisoners traded, are you so studid as to believe that the 5 al Qaida members will just be dropped off at some corner in Qatar and allowed to stroll off like some tourist? Are you really that stupid? I have absolutely no doubt that the Qatar government and the CIA will be on them like white on rice. Basically these five have targets on their backs the size of beach balls. I would not be a bit surprised if three or four of them die "accidental" deaths in the next year.

 

[blackhawk]

Bergdahl so far as we know was not dealing with anything that the other solider's he was serving with were dealing with and they didn't walk off there post Bergdahl may not be a villain but neither is he a hero and this administration should have and it seems like did know this before portraying him as one.

 

[Noomi]

I can understand why he felt ashamed to be an American. He was fighting a bogus war.

 

[ogibillm]

Bergdahl so far as we know was not dealing with anything that the other solider's he was serving with were dealing with and they didn't walk off there post Bergdahl may not be a villain but neither is he a hero and this administration should have and it seems like did know this before portraying him as one.

with the exception of one person saying once that he served with honor and distinction what gives you the impression anyone is calling him a hero?

 

[blackhawk]

I can understand why he felt ashamed to be an American. He was fighting a bogus war.

How was the war in Afghanistan bogus?

 

[Noomi]

I can understand why he felt ashamed to be an American. He was fighting a bogus war.

How was the war in Afghanistan bogus?

You didn't need to be there.

 

[blackhawk]

Bergdahl so far as we know was not dealing with anything that the other solider's he was serving with were dealing with and they didn't walk off there post Bergdahl may not be a villain but neither is he a hero and this administration should have and it seems like did know this before portraying him as one.

with the exception of one person saying once that he served with honor and distinction what gives you the impression anyone is calling him a hero?

That they had gotten back a solider who had heroically survived five years in Taliban captivity sure seemed to be the line the administration was pushing until the questions about how he left the base and was captured started being asked.

 

[blackhawk]

I can understand why he felt ashamed to be an American. He was fighting a bogus war.

How was the war in Afghanistan bogus?

You didn't need to be there.

Really so after the 9-11 attacks we didn't need to be there? Ok then our response to that should have been what?

 

[ogibillm]

Bergdahl so far as we know was not dealing with anything that the other solider's he was serving with were dealing with and they didn't walk off there post Bergdahl may not be a villain but neither is he a hero and this administration should have and it seems like did know this before portraying him as one.

with the exception of one person saying once that he served with honor and distinction what gives you the impression anyone is calling him a hero?

That they had gotten back a solider who had heroically survived five years in Taliban captivity sure seemed to be the line the administration was pushing until the questions about how he left the base and was captured started being asked.

you're just repeating yourself. what gave you the impression that they were calling him a hero?

 

[blackhawk]

with the exception of one person saying once that he served with honor and distinction what gives you the impression anyone is calling him a hero?

That they had gotten back a solider who had heroically survived five years in Taliban captivity sure seemed to be the line the administration was pushing until the questions about how he left the base and was captured started being asked.

you're just repeating yourself. what gave you the impression that they were calling him a hero?

I have told you that was the line being pushed by the Obama administration Susan Rice was the first to go on the Sunday talk shows and push that line do you really think she just did that on her own without the approval of the White House and Sect of Defense Hagel?

 

[ogibillm]

That they had gotten back a solider who had heroically survived five years in Taliban captivity sure seemed to be the line the administration was pushing until the questions about how he left the base and was captured started being asked.

you're just repeating yourself. what gave you the impression that they were calling him a hero?

I have told you that was the line being pushed by the Obama administration Susan Rice was the first to go on the Sunday talk shows and push that line do you really think she just did that on her own without the approval of the White House and Sect of Defense Hagel?

again, one person one time said he served with honor and distinction. other than that, is there anything that leads you to believe that the administration was pushing him as a hero?

 

[Care4all]

Bergdahl so far as we know was not dealing with anything that the other solider's he was serving with were dealing with and they didn't walk off there post Bergdahl may not be a villain but neither is he a hero and this administration should have and it seems like did know this before portraying him as one.

with the exception of one person saying once that he served with honor and distinction what gives you the impression anyone is calling him a hero?

That they had gotten back a solider who had heroically survived five years in Taliban captivity sure seemed to be the line the administration was pushing until the questions about how he left the base and was captured started being asked.

Should he have come out and said we got back a piece of shit American deserter soldier instead, for the whole world, including enemies to hear?