I was there: My perspective on bowe bergdahl

[blackhawk]

you're just repeating yourself. what gave you the impression that they were calling him a hero?

I have told you that was the line being pushed by the Obama administration Susan Rice was the first to go on the Sunday talk shows and push that line do you really think she just did that on her own without the approval of the White House and Sect of Defense Hagel?

again, one person one time said he served with honor and distinction. other than that, is there anything that leads you to believe that the administration was pushing him as a hero?

I just told why I believe that again do you think the administration sent Rice on the talk shows and told her just say whatever you feel like? When any administration sends a spokesperson on the Sunday shows it is to push and defend the administrations position therefore when she said he served with honor and distinction she was stating the administrations position which would have included the President, Vice President, Sect of Defense and whoever else you would care to name this is as clear as I can make it if you can't accept it oh well.

 

[blackhawk]

with the exception of one person saying once that he served with honor and distinction what gives you the impression anyone is calling him a hero?

That they had gotten back a solider who had heroically survived five years in Taliban captivity sure seemed to be the line the administration was pushing until the questions about how he left the base and was captured started being asked.

Should he have come out and said we got back a piece of shit American deserter soldier instead, for the whole world, including enemies to hear?

He should have keep it low profile and not done a victory lap with the parents in the Rose Garden and not put Susan Rice on the Sunday talk shows with the he served with honor and distinction line if he had done that there would be the mess there now is.

 

[ogibillm]

I have told you that was the line being pushed by the Obama administration Susan Rice was the first to go on the Sunday talk shows and push that line do you really think she just did that on her own without the approval of the White House and Sect of Defense Hagel?

again, one person one time said he served with honor and distinction. other than that, is there anything that leads you to believe that the administration was pushing him as a hero?

I just told why I believe that again do you think the administration sent Rice on the talk shows and told her just say whatever you feel like? When any administration sends a spokesperson on the Sunday shows it is to push and defend the administrations position therefore when she said he served with honor and distinction she was stating the administrations position which would have included the President, Vice President, Sect of Defense and whoever else you would care to name this is as clear as I can make it if you can't accept it oh well.

okay. so it's just that one time in which the word 'hero' wasn't used at all. i'm not saying you're wrong for feeling that way, i'm just saying that there isn't a lot of evidence to show that anyone was treating him or lauding him as a hero.

 

[Synthaholic]

Edited to add link. Again, my apologies.

Fair enough on waiting until the investigation is over. But in 2010, the Pentagon concluded he walked away.

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

That doesn't help his case any.

The Pentagon didn't know shit in 2010 - mainly because it didn't have Bergdahl's input.

So the only relevant evidence is his testimony?

No.

What's your rush to brand him a deserter?

 

[Synthaholic]

So the only relevant evidence is his testimony?

No.

Why do you hate soldiers? Isn't Bergdahl innocent or at least given the benefit of doubt until proven otherwise? Why your big rush to judgement?

I served my 20. I didn't walk away when it got hard. I didn't walk away when I didn't like the job. Bergdahl doesn't deserve respect. Obama doesn't deserve respect for freeing 5 high-level terrorists.

^^^ Doesn't know his al Qaeda from his Taliban.

 

[Wildman]

Geezus H. Kryst, at least wait for the final mental/physical examinations/evaluations before rending your G.I. Joe bullshit analysis. I also have serious doubts that you were there...

My apologies, Lakhota. I forgot to post the link. I've edited the OP.

Again, I'm sorry.

apologies are a sign of weakness, that ******* libernut deserves no apologies !!

from the beginning i knew there was something missing.

 

[Synthaholic]

Bergdahl so far as we know was not dealing with anything that the other solider's he was serving with were dealing with and they didn't walk off there post Bergdahl may not be a villain but neither is he a hero and this administration should have and it seems like did know this before portraying him as one.

with the exception of one person saying once that he served with honor and distinction what gives you the impression anyone is calling him a hero?

That's the Right-Wing strawman: claim that it's a choice between hero or traitor, when no one called him a traitor to begin with.

As for honor and distinction, he did until he (maybe) didn't. All I know is he volunteered to leave Idaho and go fight for his country in a foreign hellhole.

I'm not going to pass judgement on him. Let due process take it's course.

 

[Synthaholic]

I can understand why he felt ashamed to be an American. He was fighting a bogus war.

How was the war in Afghanistan bogus?

Letting bin Laden escape so you can ramp up a War On Terror makes it bogus.

 

[Wildman]

What do our soldiers think about Bush lying to the entire world to start a war that the US designed to never end and torturing POWs like we're the Viet Cong?

Someone should ask them.

Someone should ask them..., WELL..., don't just stand there picking boogers and eating them.., start asking questions, then report back here with your results.

 

[bedowin62]

I can understand why he felt ashamed to be an American. He was fighting a bogus war.

How was the war in Afghanistan bogus?

Letting bin Laden escape so you can ramp up a War On Terror makes it bogus.

YAWN
left-wing losers have a million conspiracy theories they cant back up with facts

 

[bedowin62]

Clinton refused 3 offers to have bin laden handed over on a platter by Sudan
even Obama said Afghanistan was the "right" war

libs are losers who lie to themselves

 

[Synthaholic]

How was the war in Afghanistan bogus?

Letting bin Laden escape so you can ramp up a War On Terror makes it bogus.

YAWN
left-wing losers have a million conspiracy theories they cant back up with facts

If I thought you could comprehend I would paste the links again. But you're a retard.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Geezus H. Kryst, at least wait for the final mental/physical examinations/evaluations before rendering your G.I. Joe bullshit analysis. I also have serious doubts that you were there...

He walked away, the why is irrelevant.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What do our soldiers think about Bush lying to the entire world to start a war that the US designed to never end and torturing POWs like we're the Viet Cong?

Someone should ask them.

Basically, they think you are an idiot.

Any other questions?

 

[KNB]

What do our soldiers think about Bush lying to the entire world to start a war that the US designed to never end and torturing POWs like we're the Viet Cong?

Someone should ask them.

Someone should ask them..., WELL..., don't just stand there picking boogers and eating them.., start asking questions, then report back here with your results.

Here are the results:

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein
Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction
U.S. Intelligence and Iraq WMD
The Record on CURVEBALL
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/IraqWarPart1-Timeline.pdf
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART I:*The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART II: Was There Even a Decision?
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART III: Shaping the Debate
The Torture Archive

Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War

Bush lied to invade Iraq and tortured POWs.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What do our soldiers think about Bush lying to the entire world to start a war that the US designed to never end and torturing POWs like we're the Viet Cong?

Someone should ask them.

Let us assume your accusation has merit.

So you seem quite upset about one president lying but lick up the spittle of another who has built an entire presidency on lies. Please try to explain that position.

Considering that I didn't vote for Obama and would like to see him die in prison for war crimes like Bush, it's safe to say that I don't support Barack Obama.

Exactly how many times do I have to say that?

And yes, the accusation has motherfucking merit.

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein
Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction
U.S. Intelligence and Iraq WMD
The Record on CURVEBALL
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/IraqWarPart1-Timeline.pdf
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART I:*The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART II: Was There Even a Decision?
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART III: Shaping the Debate
The Torture Archive

Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War

You don't support Obama, but you blame Bush for everything that has happened since he got elected.

Interesting conundrum, if I believe you are telling the truth. If, on the other hand, I assume you are lying, it all makes sense.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm not believing anyone until all the final reports are disclosed. Bergdahl is a combat soldier who is innocent until proven otherwise. No rush to judgement...

BTW, where is the link to your OP?

Edited to add link. Again, my apologies.

Fair enough on waiting until the investigation is over. But in 2010, the Pentagon concluded he walked away.

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

That doesn't help his case any.

The Pentagon didn't know shit in 2010 - mainly because it didn't have Bergdahl's input.

Unless he can prove that the Taliban managed to sneak onto the base and kidnap him I don't see anything relevant he has to say. The fact that you are desperately clinging to the belief that he was taken by force is your problem, not mine.

 

[KNB]

Bush lied to invade Iraq, and Bush set the timeline for withdrawing our soldiers, so yes, Bush is responsible for everything happening in Iraq which they lied to invade.

READ:

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein
Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction
U.S. Intelligence and Iraq WMD
The Record on CURVEBALL
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/IraqWarPart1-Timeline.pdf
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART I:*The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART II: Was There Even a Decision?
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART III: Shaping the Debate
The Torture Archive

Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War

 

[jillian]

Bush lied to invade Iraq, and Bush set the timeline for withdrawing our soldiers, so yes, Bush is responsible for everything happening in Iraq which they lied to invade.

READ:

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein
Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction
U.S. Intelligence and Iraq WMD
The Record on CURVEBALL
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/IraqWarPart1-Timeline.pdf
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART I:*The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART II: Was There Even a Decision?
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART III: Shaping the Debate
The Torture Archive

Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War

^^^^^

that.

but they don't like that bit of reality.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I WAS THERE: MY PERSPECTIVE ON BOWE BERGDAHL

A few days ago, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel took the stage at Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan and excitedly started with what he thought would be a big applause line. “We got him back!” he exclaimed.

Silence.

Not. Even. One. Clap.

Numerous White House leaks show that Obama and his team were convinced that Americans would greet the news of a returning POW with elation; that this would be the great moment in Obama’s second term. This shows just how clueless they are about the military. Let me clue them in.

You see, when Hagel took the stage, he expected joy at the announcement that one of their own was returned! However, you have to see inside a soldier’s mind to understand what was going on here. I believe I can provide a little insight.

When a soldier deserts his post, when he writes that he is ashamed to be an American, when he gives the enemy secrets (and he did), he is no longer “one of us”. He is a traitor. He is not a brother-in-arms.

Soldiers risk their lives for each other every day on the battlefield, there is a trust and respect they have for each other. For Bowe Bergdahl to break that trust and the Secretary of Defense to announce a hero’s welcome instead of a court-martial is a huge let-down.

He isn't one of their own. He is one of them. He is the enemy.

That's not something to celebrate.

The message the White House is sending is that they value treason more than honorable service.​

I presume you are familiar with the phrase
"No one left behind."
I have looked long and closely at that phrase. I do not see any conditions attached to it. Perhaps you could point out the conditions that say Bergdahl should be left behind.

If you had a brain I might be able to explain why you are completely wrong to you. Not leaving him behind is a good thing, pretending that he was a hero for walking away is not.