I reluctantly admit I think my wife is right.

[berg80]

Wrong of course

I'll take your word for it.

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, that was an interesting spin on my post.


But here you go. There are better, more concise studies, but I couldn't find them in the clutter of the interent. Sorry.

Emotional Decision Making: Hardwired and Helpful - Advocacy and Evidence Resources

By Kate Donoghue “Just take emotion out of it.” We have all probably been given, or have given, this advice when faced with a tough decision. But while we may try, doing so is not actually possible when it comes to how we make decisions. We all grew up in different households, under different

law.temple.edu

Every thought begins with an emotional message from the limbic system up to the Prefrontal cortex. Emotions can determine what we think we know when the ability to get the message right is poor. That ability is called coherence.

 

[fncceo]

I threw a birthday party for my wife the other day. One of the attendees began speaking about a man she employees to work around the house (her husband died 5 years ago) to do odd jobs. Nice guy, I know him, he is a trump fan. She told us about how she had corrected him on a factual matter concerning politics. Referring him to the Snopes website for future reference. A debate ensued among the party attendees as to the efficacy of doing so. IOW, would being proven wrong change his mind about anything? Changing Beliefs - The Science PT

I said it is a worthwhile endeavor to confront someone with a misinformed belief. Most of the other folks there agreed with me. My wife dissented. After giving it further thought, and reflecting on my experience here, I'm coming around to her way of thinking. Why?

I just got in to a debate (by way of emails) with a friend of over 60 years about trump firing McEntarfer (he is a huge trump guy). The BLS lady. I sent him this cut and paste.......

Erika McEntarfer, the fired B.L.S. commissioner, is a highly respected economist with extensive experience in the production and analysis of government data. But she does not make policy in the way that someone like Powell does. Nor does the commissioner traditionally even make the particular numbers that the B.L.S. releases. Instead those numbers are produced by the 2,000 nonpartisan career staff members who work in the agency, in this case compiling the survey responses from the more than 100,000 businesses that report their employment to the B.L.S. every month. The numbers are finalized before they get to the commissioner, a political appointee but one who often serves across administrations. The role is much more about managing and overseeing the agency and making long-term decisions.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08/01/opinion/thepoint#bls-commissioner-trump-fire-erika-mcentarfer

.........explaining why the firing was misguided. He responded by sending an article about Hillary Clinton, written by Matt Tiabbi, about why she should be in jail.

My takeaway is none of the evidence provided about how the labor stats are compiled has changed his mind about whether McEntarfer deserved to be fired. It's not something he is willing to consider. I suspect my friend's around the house worker reacted the same way when his belief was challenged. He will use the sources of info he relies on to reinforce his false belief and disregard the factual info on Snopes. And so it goes.

You can’t have anyone over without turning it into a re-education camp?

Learn to enjoy life, Comrade.

 

[berg80]

Well, that was an interesting spin on my post.


But here you go. There are better, more concise studies, but I couldn't find them in the clutter of the interent. Sorry.

Emotional Decision Making: Hardwired and Helpful - Advocacy and Evidence Resources

By Kate Donoghue “Just take emotion out of it.” We have all probably been given, or have given, this advice when faced with a tough decision. But while we may try, doing so is not actually possible when it comes to how we make decisions. We all grew up in different households, under different

law.temple.edu

Now all you need to do is find something pertaining to beliefs, not decision making.

 

[Correll]

Every thought begins with an emotional message from the limbic system up to the Prefrontal cortex. Emotions can determine what we think we know when the ability to get the message right is poor. That ability is called coherence.

It is easy to see this in other people, who you disagree with.

Seeing it in yourself is harder. ANd not that useful, you still have the emotions.

BUT, it should encourage one to be LESS OF AN ASSHOLE, to those you have political disagreements with.

 

[berg80]

That's the way it is with cult members. Their faith tRumps all facts to the contrary.

I realize mine is an anecdotal example of one person. But my experience on the board suggests it is broadly true. The info regarding how the BLS estimates are arrived at clearly indicates, unequivocally, that trump was wrong to fire McEntarfer.

trumpists will not admit it because they apparently believe trump is infallible. And by extension so was their judgement in voting for him. Which is what the defense of him is really all about.

 

[Correll]

Now all you need to do is find something pertaining to beliefs, not decision making.

Dude. Dude. That's..not rational of you.

You are emotionally resisting the science. YOu are being anti-science.


Lefties are just as emotionally committed to their principles as maga is.


YOu might want to read

The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion: Haidt, Jonathan: 0884678038868: Amazon.com: Books

The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion [Haidt, Jonathan] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion

www.amazon.com

 

[berg80]

You can’t have anyone over without turning it into a re-education camp?

Learn to enjoy life, Comrade.

You're avoiding the subject. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Woodznutz]

You could of just said you have nothing.

Why people do what they do has been studied for millennia, with the same conclusions; it's our nature to do things that are not in our best interests.

 

[DonGlock26]

I threw a birthday party for my wife the other day. One of the attendees began speaking about a man she employees to work around the house (her husband died 5 years ago) to do odd jobs. Nice guy, I know him, he is a trump fan. She told us about how she had corrected him on a factual matter concerning politics. Referring him to the Snopes website for future reference. A debate ensued among the party attendees as to the efficacy of doing so. IOW, would being proven wrong change his mind about anything? Changing Beliefs - The Science PT

I said it is a worthwhile endeavor to confront someone with a misinformed belief. Most of the other folks there agreed with me. My wife dissented. After giving it further thought, and reflecting on my experience here, I'm coming around to her way of thinking. Why?

I just got in to a debate (by way of emails) with a friend of over 60 years about trump firing McEntarfer (he is a huge trump guy). The BLS lady. I sent him this cut and paste.......

Erika McEntarfer, the fired B.L.S. commissioner, is a highly respected economist with extensive experience in the production and analysis of government data. But she does not make policy in the way that someone like Powell does. Nor does the commissioner traditionally even make the particular numbers that the B.L.S. releases. Instead those numbers are produced by the 2,000 nonpartisan career staff members who work in the agency, in this case compiling the survey responses from the more than 100,000 businesses that report their employment to the B.L.S. every month. The numbers are finalized before they get to the commissioner, a political appointee but one who often serves across administrations. The role is much more about managing and overseeing the agency and making long-term decisions.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08/01/opinion/thepoint#bls-commissioner-trump-fire-erika-mcentarfer

.........explaining why the firing was misguided. He responded by sending an article about Hillary Clinton, written by Matt Tiabbi, about why she should be in jail.

My takeaway is none of the evidence provided about how the labor stats are compiled has changed his mind about whether McEntarfer deserved to be fired. It's not something he is willing to consider. I suspect my friend's around the house worker reacted the same way when his belief was challenged. He will use the sources of info he relies on to reinforce his false belief and disregard the factual info on Snopes. And so it goes.

TLDR

 

[Hafar1014]

It is easy to see this in other people, who you disagree with.

Seeing it in yourself is harder. ANd not that useful, you still have the emotions.

BUT, it should encourage one to be LESS OF AN ASSHOLE, to those you have political disagreements with.

Its based on neuropsychology and active scans of the brain. The LS is not explicit or verbal, the PFC is. They dont express the same language. So one needs the ability to define an emotion accurately. We find those who believe in conspiracy theories are responding to anxiety. The LS can control the brain and take over when it experiences a threat real or imagines

 

[Correll]

You're avoiding the subject. Thanks for proving my point.

YOU'RE avoiding the subject. YOU are identifying normal human behavior, IN YOUR ENEMIES,

and trying to pretend it is a problem that your side doesn't have.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Primal cry of the butthurt ........alll the libs have is epithets

 

[Hafar1014]

Dude. Dude. That's..not rational of you.

You are emotionally resisting the science. YOu are being anti-science.


Lefties are just as emotionally committed to their principles as maga is.


YOu might want to read

The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion: Haidt, Jonathan: 0884678038868: Amazon.com: Books

The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion [Haidt, Jonathan] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion

www.amazon.com

The left values feelings over facts abd will invent facts to support their feelings. Thats why when they fail they cant see it

 

[Mac1958]

I threw a birthday party for my wife the other day. One of the attendees began speaking about a man she employees to work around the house (her husband died 5 years ago) to do odd jobs. Nice guy, I know him, he is a trump fan. She told us about how she had corrected him on a factual matter concerning politics. Referring him to the Snopes website for future reference. A debate ensued among the party attendees as to the efficacy of doing so. IOW, would being proven wrong change his mind about anything? Changing Beliefs - The Science PT

I said it is a worthwhile endeavor to confront someone with a misinformed belief. Most of the other folks there agreed with me. My wife dissented. After giving it further thought, and reflecting on my experience here, I'm coming around to her way of thinking. Why?

I just got in to a debate (by way of emails) with a friend of over 60 years about trump firing McEntarfer (he is a huge trump guy). The BLS lady. I sent him this cut and paste.......

Erika McEntarfer, the fired B.L.S. commissioner, is a highly respected economist with extensive experience in the production and analysis of government data. But she does not make policy in the way that someone like Powell does. Nor does the commissioner traditionally even make the particular numbers that the B.L.S. releases. Instead those numbers are produced by the 2,000 nonpartisan career staff members who work in the agency, in this case compiling the survey responses from the more than 100,000 businesses that report their employment to the B.L.S. every month. The numbers are finalized before they get to the commissioner, a political appointee but one who often serves across administrations. The role is much more about managing and overseeing the agency and making long-term decisions.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08/01/opinion/thepoint#bls-commissioner-trump-fire-erika-mcentarfer

.........explaining why the firing was misguided. He responded by sending an article about Hillary Clinton, written by Matt Tiabbi, about why she should be in jail.

My takeaway is none of the evidence provided about how the labor stats are compiled has changed his mind about whether McEntarfer deserved to be fired. It's not something he is willing to consider. I suspect my friend's around the house worker reacted the same way when his belief was challenged. He will use the sources of info he relies on to reinforce his false belief and disregard the factual info on Snopes. And so it goes.

Trump fired her because (a) he was embarrassed, and (b) his profound self esteem issues cracked and he couldn't handle it.

And the people around him continue to enable him. I blame them more than I blame him. He's just a child. And his flock will take any excuse, no matter how transparent.

 

[Correll]

Its based on neuropsychology and active scans of the brain. The LS is not explicit or verbal, the PFC is. They dont express the same language. So one needs the ability to define an emotion accurately. We find those who believe in conspiracy theories are responding to anxiety. The LS can control the brain and take over when it experiences a threat real or imagines

1. What are those who DON'T believe in conspiracy theories responding to?

2. Is the anxiety called for?

 

[Meathead]

Never never admit your wife is right never never never

But of course they always are.

 

[berg80]

Why people do what they do has been studied for millennia, with the same conclusions; it's our nature to do things that are not in our best interests.

Explaining how trump got elected.

 

[Independent thinker]

I threw a birthday party for my wife the other day. One of the attendees began speaking about a man she employees to work around the house (her husband died 5 years ago) to do odd jobs. Nice guy, I know him, he is a trump fan. She told us about how she had corrected him on a factual matter concerning politics. Referring him to the Snopes website for future reference. A debate ensued among the party attendees as to the efficacy of doing so. IOW, would being proven wrong change his mind about anything? Changing Beliefs - The Science PT

I said it is a worthwhile endeavor to confront someone with a misinformed belief. Most of the other folks there agreed with me. My wife dissented. After giving it further thought, and reflecting on my experience here, I'm coming around to her way of thinking. Why?

I just got in to a debate (by way of emails) with a friend of over 60 years about trump firing McEntarfer (he is a huge trump guy). The BLS lady. I sent him this cut and paste.......

Erika McEntarfer, the fired B.L.S. commissioner, is a highly respected economist with extensive experience in the production and analysis of government data. But she does not make policy in the way that someone like Powell does. Nor does the commissioner traditionally even make the particular numbers that the B.L.S. releases. Instead those numbers are produced by the 2,000 nonpartisan career staff members who work in the agency, in this case compiling the survey responses from the more than 100,000 businesses that report their employment to the B.L.S. every month. The numbers are finalized before they get to the commissioner, a political appointee but one who often serves across administrations. The role is much more about managing and overseeing the agency and making long-term decisions.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08/01/opinion/thepoint#bls-commissioner-trump-fire-erika-mcentarfer

.........explaining why the firing was misguided. He responded by sending an article about Hillary Clinton, written by Matt Tiabbi, about why she should be in jail.

My takeaway is none of the evidence provided about how the labor stats are compiled has changed his mind about whether McEntarfer deserved to be fired. It's not something he is willing to consider. I suspect my friend's around the house worker reacted the same way when his belief was challenged. He will use the sources of info he relies on to reinforce his false belief and disregard the factual info on Snopes. And so it goes.

You don't change your mind when others present you with any evidence so you are arrogant to think that others should change their minds if you present them with your cherry picked evidence. IOW glad to see you realize you aren't accomplishing anything on this site. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

 

[Hafar1014]

But of course they always are.

Shush dont even post that here