I reluctantly admit I think my wife is right.

[berg80]

Well, are you suggesting that you would ever have YOUR mind changed?

By facts, sure. I'm still waiting for one of the board's conservatives to give me an example of compelling facts in contradiction to my beliefs.

 

[berg80]

There is this conclusion, a belief that the vast majority of Dimz have that they will hold onto, no matter how much evidence is presented, by dismissing biological facts, etc.

I wish I could remember what that was.

Let me think. . .

Let me know when you think of it (I know what you're thinking). Then prove it is held by a majority of Dems.

 

[Chuz Life]

Let me know when you think of it (I know what you're thinking). Then prove it is held by a majority of Dems.

I know you know.

No need to derail your thread with it.

 

[berg80]

I know you know.

No need to derail your thread with it.

Start a thread with your assertion. I'd love to see the evidence you provide.

 

[AveMarica]

The revisions aren't a normal part of the federal government.

Hah hah.

Just tattoo "ignorant" on your forehead.

 

[BULLDOG]

You could clear it all up by telling us yourself when you have changed your mind as a result of someone on the right providing you with facts.

I have acknowledged being wrong and changed my belief many times here. I don't enjoy doing that, but better more accurate information must be accepted. I have never seen a trump/maga cult member do that..

 

[RhodyPatriot]

You guys sound like the life of the party.

The Communist Party.

Snopes?

Someone honestly still thinks ******* SNOPES is a totally impartial and objective "SOURCE!" in the year of our Lord 2025?

Think of how out of touch and uninformed you'd have to be.

And yet these people think they're the erudite intellectual set.

Amusing.

 

[Independent thinker]

I have acknowledged being wrong and changed my belief many times here. I don't enjoy doing that, but better more accurate information must be accepted. I have never seen a trump/maga cult member do that..

Name one thing a righty changed your mind on regarding policy. By the way, berg just admitted he is right on everything, therefore he has never changed his mind due to anything someone on the right has said.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

I have never seen a trump/maga cult member do that..

Actually you saw millions of them last November.

The problem for you is they were leaving the Democrat party to vote for Trump.

You did that.

 

[Billiejeens]

I threw a birthday party for my wife the other day. One of the attendees began speaking about a man she employees to work around the house (her husband died 5 years ago) to do odd jobs. Nice guy, I know him, he is a trump fan. She told us about how she had corrected him on a factual matter concerning politics. Referring him to the Snopes website for future reference. A debate ensued among the party attendees as to the efficacy of doing so. IOW, would being proven wrong change his mind about anything? Changing Beliefs - The Science PT

I said it is a worthwhile endeavor to confront someone with a misinformed belief. Most of the other folks there agreed with me. My wife dissented. After giving it further thought, and reflecting on my experience here, I'm coming around to her way of thinking. Why?

I just got in to a debate (by way of emails) with a friend of over 60 years about trump firing McEntarfer (he is a huge trump guy). The BLS lady. I sent him this cut and paste.......

Erika McEntarfer, the fired B.L.S. commissioner, is a highly respected economist with extensive experience in the production and analysis of government data. But she does not make policy in the way that someone like Powell does. Nor does the commissioner traditionally even make the particular numbers that the B.L.S. releases. Instead those numbers are produced by the 2,000 nonpartisan career staff members who work in the agency, in this case compiling the survey responses from the more than 100,000 businesses that report their employment to the B.L.S. every month. The numbers are finalized before they get to the commissioner, a political appointee but one who often serves across administrations. The role is much more about managing and overseeing the agency and making long-term decisions.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08/01/opinion/thepoint#bls-commissioner-trump-fire-erika-mcentarfer

.........explaining why the firing was misguided. He responded by sending an article about Hillary Clinton, written by Matt Tiabbi, about why she should be in jail.

My takeaway is none of the evidence provided about how the labor stats are compiled has changed his mind about whether McEntarfer deserved to be fired. It's not something he is willing to consider. I suspect my friend's around the house worker reacted the same way when his belief was challenged. He will use the sources of info he relies on to reinforce his false belief and disregard the factual info on Snopes. And so it goes.

Snopes
That is where I stopped reading.

 

[BULLDOG]

Snopes?

Someone honestly still thinks ******* SNOPES is a totally impartial and objective "SOURCE!" in the year of our Lord 2025?

Think of how out of touch and uninformed you'd have to be.

And yet these people think they're the erudite intellectual set.

Amusing.

That is a sign of being a cult member. You believe nothing if not cult approved.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Name one thing a righty changed your mind on regarding policy.

I used to be an ignorant Leftist.

Voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama X 2, even Hillary.

Then the summer of mostly peaceful riots in 2020, and the COVID Lockdowns woke me the hell up once and for all.

Didn't hurt that the GOP ditched the neocons for MAGA.

The fact is that clueless people like Bulldog don't realize the phenomena of Leftists leaving the fold to vote for Trump is far more common than any other political metamorphosis.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

That is a sign of being a cult member. You believe nothing if not cult approved.

This didn't age well in a matter of seconds.

I left your cult.

Which I can assure you required a MASSIVE amount of cognitive dissonance, and a massively open mind.

I am now a former Democrat.

Just like:

Donald J. Trump
JD Vance
Tulsi Gabbard
RFK
Joe Rogan

and many others.

Hhhmmmm.

Maybe it's you.

 

[Billiejeens]

By facts, sure. I'm still waiting for one of the board's conservatives to give me an example of compelling facts in contradiction to my beliefs.

And that's bergy.

 

[Independent thinker]

I used to be an ignorant Leftist.

Voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama X 2, even Hillary.

Then the summer of mostly peaceful riots in 2020, and the COVID Lockdowns woke me the hell up once and for all.

Didn't hurt that the GOP ditched the neocons for MAGA.

The fact is that clueless people like Bulldog don't realize the phenomena of Leftists leaving the fold to vote for Trump is far more common than any other political metamorphosis.

I used to be a diehard leftist in the old days. I believed all of their cultist hateful claptrap. Then I got a new friend that I hung out with (a very long time ago). I was the leftist and he was a righty. We actually got along well with each other and, after listening to his point of view over many conversations, I saw the light and realized he was right and that I had been brainwashed. Even still, I began listening to both sides of the aisle but that all came to an abrupt end when the leftists veered so far to the left that they fell off the side of the Earth, becoming so crazy they don't even know what a woman is anymore.

By the way, Sydney Sweeney is a woman. If the left can't figure that out then they are forever hopeless.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

I used to be a diehard leftist in the old days. I believed all of their cultist hateful claptrap. Then I got a new friend that I hung out with (a very long time ago). I was the leftist and he was a righty. We actually got along well with each other and, after listening to his point of view over many conversations, I saw the light and realized he was right and that I had been brainwashed. Even still, I began listening to both sides of the aisle but that all came to an abrupt end when the leftists veered so far to the left that they fell off the side of the Earth.

I couldn't have stayed a Democrat with just how horrid they have become in the modern era.

However, if the GOP was still run by the Bush clan - I just wouldn't even vote.

It took Trump and many of his old school Democrat ideas fused with old school conservatism to make me a Republican.

And fortunately his movement has entirely transformed the party for the foreseeable future.

 

[BackAgain]

I threw a birthday party for my wife the other day. One of the attendees began speaking about a man she employees to work around the house (her husband died 5 years ago) to do odd jobs. Nice guy, I know him, he is a trump fan. She told us about how she had corrected him on a factual matter concerning politics. Referring him to the Snopes website for future reference. A debate ensued among the party attendees as to the efficacy of doing so. IOW, would being proven wrong change his mind about anything? Changing Beliefs - The Science PT

I said it is a worthwhile endeavor to confront someone with a misinformed belief. Most of the other folks there agreed with me. My wife dissented. After giving it further thought, and reflecting on my experience here, I'm coming around to her way of thinking. Why?

I just got in to a debate (by way of emails) with a friend of over 60 years about trump firing McEntarfer (he is a huge trump guy). The BLS lady. I sent him this cut and paste.......

Erika McEntarfer, the fired B.L.S. commissioner, is a highly respected economist with extensive experience in the production and analysis of government data. But she does not make policy in the way that someone like Powell does. Nor does the commissioner traditionally even make the particular numbers that the B.L.S. releases. Instead those numbers are produced by the 2,000 nonpartisan career staff members who work in the agency, in this case compiling the survey responses from the more than 100,000 businesses that report their employment to the B.L.S. every month. The numbers are finalized before they get to the commissioner, a political appointee but one who often serves across administrations. The role is much more about managing and overseeing the agency and making long-term decisions.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08/01/opinion/thepoint#bls-commissioner-trump-fire-erika-mcentarfer

.........explaining why the firing was misguided. He responded by sending an article about Hillary Clinton, written by Matt Tiabbi, about why she should be in jail.

My takeaway is none of the evidence provided about how the labor stats are compiled has changed his mind about whether McEntarfer deserved to be fired. It's not something he is willing to consider. I suspect my friend's around the house worker reacted the same way when his belief was challenged. He will use the sources of info he relies on to reinforce his false belief and disregard the factual info on Snopes. And so it goes.

In your blind reliance on “how” the BLS allegedly comes up with its numbers, according to The NY Times (which relies ON BLS, itself), perhaps it is you who fails to be objective.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hah hah.

Just tattoo "ignorant" on your forehead.

Tattoo gullible on yours.

Doctoring federal records is a crime, shitforbrains.

 

[BULLDOG]

Name one thing a righty changed your mind on regarding policy. By the way, berg just admitted he is right on everything, therefore he has never changed his mind due to anything someone on the right has said.

No going to look up all the times I acknowledged being wrong, but I did reconsider some aspects of trans women competing in women's sports. While I fully support trans rights, it is unfair competition in some cases. Since there are less than 100 trans athletes in college and in the upper grades of grade school, they should not be allowed to compete. That's sad though, because many trans athletes don't have that advantage.

 

[Independent thinker]

I couldn't have stayed a Democrat with just how horrid they have become in the modern era.

However, if the GOP was still run by the Bush clan - I just wouldn't even vote.

It took Trump and many of his old school Democrat ideas fused with old school conservatism to make me a Republican.

And fortunately his movement has entirely transformed the party for the foreseeable future.

Yes. Trump has taken over the Republican party. Unfortunately for the dems, progressives have witnessed this and have decided they can take over the democrat party but they are wrong. Instead, their push has caused the democrat party toward becoming extinct.