I didn't vote for long term tariffs.

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Did I say I wished I hadn't voted for him? Curious.

There are some righties on this board who leap to conclusions just as badly as the leftists do.

Who would have thought the face eating leopards would come after my face? Magaturds gatekeep to root out the disloyal.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I voted for Trump to lower prices. I voted for him not to cause trade wars with other countries. Now we're all going to see price increases.

I hope those willing to endure the economic hardship so we can stick it to other countries can justify to me why this was necessary. Why did we need these tariffs when we could have done something to ease the pain here in America?

Buy American and you won't see any price increases.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trudeau was just speaking on Newsmax and threatening us with reciprocal tariffs. I think the end result of Trump's tariffs on Canada will turn Canadians against Trudeau, once their economy starts to tank.

Pretty neat "regime change" Trump is doing to Canada, and it didn't even have to involve the CIA.

Trudeau has already resigned as Prime Minister. Did you miss that?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Don't worry, it won't take longer than a year. He will renegotiate two bilateral agreements with Canada/Mexico by then and have taken back a number of manufacturing jobs.

I would probably be surprised if it lasts a week to be honest, although he could pull a bait and switch and just decrease them a bit and say "there, be happy now", he seems to like that approach.

 

[XponentialChaos]

If you vote for a candidate who says he’s going to do X, and he does X, then yes, you voted for X.

You can criticize Trump for a lot, but he was perfectly clear on what he was going to do regarding tariffs, and he has done what he said he would do.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, I didn't. I fully expected him to use tariffs as a negotiating tactic, not to just arbitrarily slap tariffs on people and bully them to the negotiating table.

That's exactly what he is doing. Did you miss something?

 

[Delldude]

$250 million in one election cycle directly to a Trump PAC.....SHOW SOROS doing anything like that in one election cycle
You are a hypocrite, to the nth degree!

Does it through his many pacs, skirting under the radar.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What if I told you that Sherlock is right about one thing: we are a "consumption" country. However, our production and exports are at historical highs, and unemployment is at historical lows. With that being said, there are 7 million jobs that can't be filled, most of them being blue collar jobs, as it stands they aren't very desirable in the first place. So one wonders, if tariffs are supposed to bring jobs back to America, will it fill the blue collar jobs?

What "blue collar" jobs are you talking about? I never see ads for "blue collar" jobs anymore.

 

[Natural Citizen]

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You really need to go to a third world country to run into some free-market capitalism ...
But I don't really think they are ready for that discussion either ...

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That's kind of the truth of it. I was gonna maybe try to share my perspective on that in this thread but the more valuable aspect(s) of that discussion, after some thought on it, are just too far outside the box and drifts toward other areas of discussion which aren't all fully relevant to the specific thing being discussd here.

Certainly well-worthy of it's own topical discussion, though. But I'm not gonna do it any time soon. And neither are you. So...if it comes up around here some place, it comes up, I guess.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here's some hypocrisy from the pro-maga Daily Mail, their coverage is always infantile but they have a lot of infantile trumpanzee readers to cater to I suppose.

Trump's been calling Trudeau "governor" since Jan 20 yet the DM implies it is Trudeau that began the "personal" insults today.

Trump really is nasty little twat of a man, he's gonna go down sooner or later and man will I be enjoying that.

 

[WEATHER53]

Can't wait to see how this post ages.
Better start figuring out now how you're going to be spinning this as yet another disastrous debacle that "wasn't Trump's fault" because he's not going to be able to weasel his way out of this one.
Social Security, just like guns, is called the "third rail" in politics.
Messing with it is political suicide.
65 million people missing their anticipated income all at once will bury Trump (and his pimp Elon) overnight.

Yes we know you are all a giggle like every child about the sky falling

 

[Dragonlady]

I voted for Trump to lower prices. I voted for him not to cause trade wars with other countries. Now we're all going to see price increases.

I hope those willing to endure the economic hardship so we can stick it to other countries can justify to me why this was necessary. Why did we need these tariffs when we could have done something to ease the pain here in America?

You most definitely DID vote for tariffs. It's all he talked about doing.

You voted for a dictatorship, political retribution, and mass deportations. He promised all of it, and you laughed it all off.

Have you had your electrical subsidy cut yet?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Absolutely amazing that so many thought Trump could actually lower prices after the fact.

They believed the most obvious con man the country has ever seen.

We need to require basic economics education before people graduate high school.

It is required in a good percentage of schools. It was required in all 7 school districts where I taught, and I personally taught it in one school system.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Funny, because Pelosi was constantly kicking Trumps ass with only a small majority of democrats in the House. Trump still had the Senate, and Pelosi still beat him like a red headed step child.

Pelosi did not control the Senate. the Democrats filibuster controlled the Senate.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Let's examine that. Currently, Toyota is manufacturing the Tacoma in Mexico. That plant, build from the ground up in 2016, replaced the production of the Tacoma in San Antonio.

Here is the thing, manufacturers moving production to the United States might mean they won't have to pay the tariffs, but the American consumer will stay pay the cost. If it cost more to produce here in the United States than it does in Mexico, then the American consumer is going to pay that higher cost. No tariffs paid, higher cost for the consumer anyway.

Buy trucks built in the US by other companies.

Besides, you are allowing your neighbors to make more money that would have gone to Mexicans. They in turn will be able to buy more of your goods or services, so you make more! The Mexican workers cannot do that.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You most definitely DID vote for tariffs. It's all he talked about doing.

You voted for a dictatorship, political retribution, and mass deportations. He promised all of it, and you laughed it all off.

Have you had your electrical subsidy cut yet?

You forgot add "and you voted for pardoning cop beaters".

I know a Police Lieutenant from Maryland, most recently he was leading SWAT there. He was a Trump supporter in 2016, and was eager to see him improve the country, I thought he was overly optimistic but that's was just me.

I haven't seen him for a few years and recently he heard that he was done with Trump, as a Police Office the pardoning of violent bastards by Trump was too much, he's done with him now, disgusted.

We drove across the country together, East to West about ten years ago, good trip like 9 or 10 days, he had a special permit that allowed him to carry his gun in any state and on aircraft anywhere in the country (connected with anti terrorism duties) a big guy, like a cop you'd see in an action movie, great sense of humor and a all round decent American, always fun to hang with, but now he's utterly sickened by all this.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Hmm, so, there are already tariffs on our goods coming from other countries, while we don't tariff theirs.

By slapping a reciprocal tariff on their goods, we have effectively added a net increase onto that good or service.

For example, a good or service being tariffed by oh, say Canada, for 25%. Now you've added a reciprocal 25% tariff on top of it.

While it may look fair and balanced to you, it has effectively doubled the price of that good or service beyond its original value. What we were originally paying because of one tariff is now more because you have tariffs going both ways now.

So was it better to pay just for the tariff just the one country is hitting us with? Or is it better to pay for a product that is now 50% more than it's base value because of an added reciprocal tariff?

There is a simple solution. don't buy imported products. What does Canada have that we need and do not have already? Nothing but oil comes to mind and that has a different level of tariff.

 

[BlackSand]

That's kind of the truth of it. I was gonna maybe try to share my perspective on that in this thread but the more valuable aspect(s) of that discussion, after some thought on it, are just too far outside the box and drifts toward other areas of discussion which aren't all fully relevant to the specific thing being discussd here.

Certainly well-worthy of it's own topical discussion, though. But I'm not gonna do it any time soon. And neither are you. So...if it comes up around here some place, it comes up, I guess.

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It's pretty simple ... Free market conditions are controlled by the money ...
And never the government.

The only thing a government can do is set limits ... And they don't produce anything other than costs.
When you make it beneficial to the industry to improve conditions ... Then the government becomes irrelevant.

When the government attempts to create better conditions for businesses ...
They just end up introducing avenues of corruption ... And influence by previously uninvested players.

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I hate dealing in what ifs. But I'll use one here.

What if these countries decide it's better to wait us out? Then what? While we can sustain the economic impact, they can surmise that the people won't tolerate it for too long before they vote the responsible party out of office in the mid-terms and elect the opposing party president in 2028. They can simply wait for a more favorable environment to manifest itself, where the tariffs could or would be rescinded.

Canda will go bankrupt first.

Let's try the extreme. Close the border with Canada to all trade. They would all be dead within a week or two.