Zone1 I believe in free will

[BULLDOG]

I have no free will.

I own two dogs and a cat.

You own two dogs. Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.

 

[Mister Iggy]

BULLDOG that nipple has free will..

 

[Delldude]

Free Willy.......................

 

[Hum Dinger]

I did not see anything in science that could grant us free will. I still believed in consciousness and God.

Science doesn't grant anything. Science is the study of what is.

It's obvious that people make their own decisions. It's silly to assume anything else.

It's also true that pretty much every Abrahamic religion teaches that we have free will.

So, I do not understand why you would consider anything else.

Is there any religious basis for believing that we do not have free will?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

sure

exactly why we got the boot from eden Cat

we became self aware as incarnate beings , and when the apple of desire was before us , lost ourselves to it

~S~

Sounds like a pretty shitty design.

 

[MarathonMike]

We have the illusion of free will.. the ego does like to think it has control, when it really doesn’t.

Who or what has control of our ability to decide?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Who or what has control of our ability to decide?

Same as any animal.

What has control over an ant deciding to go left instead of right?

 

[catatomic]

Yeah i did.

I think that if the brain takes a risk and then decides without instruction, it can come up with a decision that's its own.

 

[catatomic]

Science doesn't grant anything. Science is the study of what is.

It's obvious that people make their own decisions. It's silly to assume anything else.

It's also true that pretty much every Abrahamic religion teaches that we have free will.

So, I do not understand why you would consider anything else.

Is there any religious basis for believing that we do not have free will?

I thought science applied. Still do.

 

[BackAgain]

I've been on this website since Bush but I wanted to introduce a new part of me.

I prayed that the President would do the right thing even if I didn't recognize it.


God did me one better.


There's a scripture in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that says men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause and do many things of their own free will..


I thought there was no scientific way there is free will but now I realize you can take risks and do things uninstructed.


I believe in free will, and I'm ready for it so I can live a better life.

I am fairly a-religious.

But here’s my thought on this:

If God exists (which I have concluded He does) and if God is omniscient about all things (pardon the redundancy), then He already knows how everything will occur and how it will all turn out.

But if He knows each move ahead of time, then I don’t know how we can be said to have Free Will. Apparently, in that case, everything is predestined and pre-determined — in which case we all would only have an illusion of Free Will.

That said, if believe in Free Will. But if hat almost necessarily means that God cannot know what the future holds. If that seems a bit blasphemous, it can only say this:

I also believe in logic.

 

[catatomic]

I am fairly a-religious.

But here’s my thought on this:

If God exists (which I have concluded He does) and if God is omniscient about all things (pardon the redundancy), then He already knows how everything will occur and how it will all turn out.

But if He knows each move ahead of time, then I don’t know how we can be said to have Free Will. Apparently, in that case, everything is predestined and pre-determined — in which case we all would only have an illusion of Free Will.

That said, if believe in Free Will. But if hat almost necessarily means that God cannot know what the future holds. If that seems a bit blasphemous, it can only say this:

I also believe in logic.

It was difficult for me to get my little revelation but those two things can be true at the same time.

 

[BackAgain]

It was difficult for me to get my little revelation but those two things can be true at the same time.

Maybe.

I’m not seeing how it can be simultaneously true.

 

[catatomic]

Maybe.

I’m not seeing how it can be simultaneously true.

OK let me try.

God knows everything that's going to happen.
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When we are anxiously engaged in a good cause and do many good things of our own free will,

we take a risk and then decide without instruction. That creates a scenario where our brain is actually in charge of thinking about what it want s to do. God knew what it would be, but our brain decided it on its own without external interference.

 

[BackAgain]

OK let me try.

God knows everything that's going to happen.
'
When we are anxiously engaged in a good cause and do many good things of our own free will,

we take a risk and then decide without instruction. That creates a scenario where our brain is actually in charge of thinking about what it want s to do. God knew what it would be, but our brain decided it on its own without external interference.

If God knows all along, then no matter how we reached our conclusion, it was predestined.

Our “choices” must be illusory. We are “free” to choose from the only one option.

By the way, I think your username is very clever.

 

[catatomic]

If God knows all along, then no matter how we reached our conclusion, it was predestined.

Our “choices” must be illusory. We are “free” to choose from the only one option.

By the way, I think your username is very clever.

Thanks about the username.

The point was, we were the entity that was responsible for the decision ourselves.

 

[Hum Dinger]

OK let me try.

God knows everything that's going to happen.
'
When we are anxiously engaged in a good cause and do many good things of our own free will,

we take a risk and then decide without instruction. That creates a scenario where our brain is actually in charge of thinking about what it want s to do. God knew what it would be, but our brain decided it on its own without external interference.

Speaking of 'GOD', if you believe:

God created all life.
All life wants to survive, thrive and propagate.
All life must consume other life in order to survive.
All life must kill other life to survive a therefore force that life to suffer.
All life will suffer and die.

Those are the basic rules your God created.

Perhaps you should rethink what is really good and what is really evil:

 

[BackAgain]

Thanks about the username.

The point was, we were the entity that was responsible for the decision ourselves.

My reply was a denial of that claim. Again, we came up with our decisions inside our own heads but in order for omniscient God to know what it will ultimately be, our “choice” can only be an illusion. We didn’t really ever have that choice if the outcome is already a given.

 

[Mister Iggy]

Who or what has control of our ability to decide?

It’s all pre determined.

Why do you think psychics can see your future? It’s already laid out.

 

[MarathonMike]

then decides without instruction

So in biblical context I assume that "decides without instruction" means taking a risk by not following the bible.