Zone1 I am prepared to call Protestantism a cult

[hadit]

I believe it was in his letter to the Romans, Paul noted that God's law/way is written on the hearts of all. He noted that non-believers would be judged by their own hearts.

On Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended on Church, and has been present since. My belief is that Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, reaches all at the place where they are. Remember how Jesus went out to people. Meddling with the churches, faith, beliefs of others, is meddling with the Holy Spirit, spitting on the Spirit's work.

Telling others what is wrong with them/their faith/their religion means a loss of opportunity to share how faith has worked/is working in one's own life.

We should all be able to note the ways God and his Holy Spirit is working in different faiths, different religions, different churches. This is his world, and he does make his presence known to those who have eyes that are not blind.

Which is why I am urging my brother to be very, very careful.

 

[hadit]

First, remember I have "Mommy Issues" so, I ask those I know (both in this life and those who have passed on) to pray with me. There have been amazing results both for them, and for me.

Jesus is who we pray to, who we focus on, in our prayers. If you mean, do I often pray to Jesus as an individual, the answer is all the time. The rosary is great for meditating on the Bible, great at directing and maintaining focus.

Jesus is my mediator between me and God. Thus, I have begun praying, "In your name, Jesus, I come to the Father", along with, "Father, in Jesus' name I come to your throne". It brings me into closer relationship with Him and focuses my heart on Him being an active part of my prayer life.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So you are testifying that your Catholic family persecutes Jews and throws out the Old Testament. Lovely, but then I suppose it is vital that someone point out the eight percent who follow in the ways of Judas are made up, even when they are family members.

You know nothing of the Catholic faith; you get both the Catechism and well known facts wrong. Not to mention, at times, the Bible.

You really need to stop putting words in my mouth. My family has never harmed a Jewish person, or ripped the OT out of the Bible. If 8% of Catholics follow Judas, and no Catholics I know follow Judas, then maybe you should re-evaluate your own family...

I know scripture, and I use it as the gold standard to either prove or disprove a religious matter.
I rely on it. And if someone professes that Peter was the first Pope, I will profess that Peter was dead for 300 years before the Catholic Church was established. When I read a post that says that Jesus started the Catholic Church, I will post that Jesus never went to Rome.
If scripture unnerves you then quit saying crazy shit that requires scripture to refute.

 

[Meriweather]

You really need to stop putting words in my mouth.

And you need to stop putting your words in the mouth of the Catholic Church. At the very most, check with the Catechism of the Catholic Church before you start flinging untruths.

 

[Meriweather]

I will profess that Peter was dead for 300 years before the Catholic Church was established.

And you will either be proclaiming a lie or voicing ignorance. I'll call you on both. Stick to teaching your own faith, your own religion, your own church and there won't be this problem. You have no business with the Catholic Church. We are not hurting you.

 

[Meriweather]

If scripture unnerves you then quit saying crazy shit that requires scripture to refute.

Have you considered scripture unnerves you so much that you come up with your own intent instead of focusing on the intent of the original authors. Catch a clue.

 

[The Irish Ram]

lol. I fling scripture. I don't add to it or take away from it. It says what it says.
Peter was dead long before there was a Catholic church.
Peter started his church in Jerusalem, not Rome. He preached there for 15 years.
Christ did not start the Catholic church. He doesn't even mention it in Revelation because it didn't exist. He does address Paul's churches that actually did exist.
If scripture unnerved me, I certainly wouldn't keep posting it.

Rev. 2:1-7 To the angel of the church of:
Ephesus,
Smyrna,
Pergamon,
Thyatira,
Sardis,
Philadephia,
Laodicea
?

And of course Peter's church in Jerusalem:
Acts 2:41 Those who believed what Peter said were baptized and added to the church that day—about 3,000 in all.
^
10 days after Christ ascended.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus is my mediator between me and God. Thus, I have begun praying, "In your name, Jesus, I come to the Father", along with, "Father, in Jesus' name I come to your throne". It brings me into closer relationship with Him and focuses my heart on Him being an active part of my prayer life.

That is an excellent post.

 

[Meriweather]

Rev. 2:1-7 To the angel of the church of:
Ephesus,
Smyrna,
Pergamon,
Thyatira,
Sardis,
Philadephia,
Laodicea
?

And of course Peter's church in Jerusalem:
Acts 2:41 Those who believed what Peter said were baptized and added to the church that day—about 3,000 in all.
^

Correct. And all were catholic--open and welcoming to all to such an extent, that all early Christian churches became known as Catholic. Why is that such an anathema to you, that all the early Christian catholic churches became known as Catholic? Or, is what bothers you is that one Church still falls under that umbrella while others decided to separate?

Perhaps look at a list of the complete names all Catholic churches: Holy Trinity Catholic Church; Holy Family Catholic Church; St. Peter's Catholic Church...ad infinitum. We are all still welcoming and open to all despite all our various names. All catholic, just as were all early Christian churches. Catholic churches didn't pop up out of nowhere. They began on Pentecost, and were still ongoing one hundred, two hundred, three hundred, four hundred....two thousand years later.

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus is my mediator between me and God. Thus, I have begun praying, "In your name, Jesus, I come to the Father", along with, "Father, in Jesus' name I come to your throne". It brings me into closer relationship with Him and focuses my heart on Him being an active part of my prayer life.

Often Catholics start personal prayer with, Our Father...ending with, We ask this in Jesus' name.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Correct. And all were catholic--open and welcoming to all

 

[Meriweather]

 

[The Irish Ram]

Can you point to the scripture that says all of Paul's churches were Catholic? I thought Peter started the Catholic church, according to the Catholic church..
Was Peter handing out rosaries in his church as well, to all the messianic Jews in Jerusalem? Can you produce any scripture at all to back up your claims?

 

[Meriweather]

Can you point to the scripture that says all of Paul's churches were Catholic? I thought Peter started the Catholic church, according to the Catholic church..
And I suppose Peter was handing out rosaries in his church as well? Can you produce any scripture at all to back up your claims?

Sigh. Those are your claims of the Catholic Church. Peter was the first leader (keeper of the keys) of the Church. Other Apostles and Disciples were of equal importance, also had duties. Jesus, not Peter, started the c/Catholic church. He built it upon rock. Can you at least, please, get that right?

 

[The Irish Ram]

No no. Not my claims for sure! I know better. You know exactly who comes here and stirs up this shit.
You just got finished saying that all of the churches that Paul started were Catholic.
Any scripture at ALL that says Christ started the Catholic church? Or that Paul's churches were all Catholic? You made the claim. I ask for scripture to back up your assertions.
And can you think of any reason why Christ would overlook the Church of Rome in Revelation?

 

[Meriweather]

No no. Not my claims for sure! I know better. You just got finished saying that all of the churches that Paul started were Catholic.
Any scripture at ALL that says Christ started the Catholic church? Or that Paul's churches were all Catholic? You made the claim. I ask for scripture to back up your assertions.
And can you think of any reason why Christ would overlook the Church of Rome in Revelation?

Listen carefully...

I am saying all the churches were open to all...catholic.

....but you will not understand.

 

[The Irish Ram]

And all were catholic--open and welcoming to all

^
That is your post, declaring all of Paul's churches to be Catholic. And I have listened to enough. We will just have to agree to disagree, because this is a bad look for the forum and will go absolutely nowhere. And I have things to do. My Catholic husband eats like livestock, so I have to go cook. I'm sure we'll cross paths here again, so until then, God Bless and have a good one.

 

[hadit]

Often Catholics start personal prayer with, Our Father...ending with, We ask this in Jesus' name.

Yes, going to the Father THROUGH Jesus, but do you ever ask Him to pray with you and for like you do Mary?

 

[Meriweather]

Yes, going to the Father THROUGH Jesus, but do you ever ask Him to pray with you and for like you do Mary?

Are you asking if I ask Jesus to join with me while we both talk to him?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Telling others what is wrong with them/their faith/their religion means a loss of opportunity to share how faith has worked/is working in one's own life.

We should all be able to note the ways God and his Holy Spirit is working in different faiths, different religions, different churches. This is his world, and he does make his presence known to those who have eyes that are not blind.

I suppose this is addressed to me but you're too cowardly to say so?

Well, you are a product of the novus ordo "church" which is NOT the Catholic Faith. It apes the CC but that's all..

Jesus is merciful and therefore did not IMO punish all Catholics when the Vatican was taken over.. (and yet we are all somewhat confused, etc..) so there is still Christ's spirit in the NO "churches" or some of them, but frankly, even that is being removed from us, it seems. I've been to different NO "churches" in the last couple years and the Presence of Christ was only extant in ONE of them. And in another, I felt the Presence one day, came back a few days later and it was not there. Don't ask me why.. although 2 words suffice IMO: novus ordo

No one on this forum understands me because I do not not belong to any of the false religions, and if you think accepting others' false religion is charitable, you are deceived. There is only ONE way to Heaven and that is through Jesus Christ and there is only one TRUE way to Jesus and that is through HIS Church, the (true) Catholic Church. No one here understands this.. I can tell by what I read.. But they arrogantly think, when I say something they do not like, that THEY are the ones who have the truth and I do not. They.... as you've put it b4, kick aside anything Catholics (of whichever branch of the RCC you speak of) say w/o investigation.. As the 12 step program puts it: Contempt prior to investigation.

Leaving someone in error can mean that person goes to Hell, which is not too charitable.. and Jesus said most people end up there (paraphrase of Mt 7 and Lk 13.. etc). That is not God's fault. That is on them because they refuse to listen to TRUTH, objective TRUTH

They "kick it aside"

But there is no lie in Heaven.. no sin or desire for it