Zone1 I am prepared to call Protestantism a cult

[hadit]

I didn't know you were Jewish. Sorry.

I'm not.

 

[hadit]

I read things in this religion forum and just shake my head and wonder at it all..

Jesus established ONE Church, ONE only, yet virtually everyone here supports the 30,000+ supposed "churches" that Luther and Co started. .

Jesus founded a Church and it goes back to the very beginning, the 1st century AD. Extant writings show it was called Catholic (Universal) at least as early as 107 AD. Go back to that time period and you will find Catholicism: confession to a priest, the Eucharist, the Sacraments..

But "people loved darkness rather than light," so they prefer to follow HUMANS like Luther and Calvin and Jim Bakker and Jesse Duplantis and Joel Olsteen... the last fake 6 popes, etc. Then they have the unmitigated gall to accuse Catholics of listening to the pope (the real ones)! Then even when Catholics reject the NON-Catholic (non-Christian) Francis as being pope, we get attacked for that as well!

How charitable you all are..

You people are seriously MESSED UP. I don't say that to be snarky, I say it because.. like any disorder, you only get better by first acknowledging that it exists.

Then you need a doctor, namely Christ and HIS Church. If you reject that, you will definitely end up in Hell. Jesus said he would establish HIS Church and that HIS Church would prevail against the gates of Hell.. He never said man-made 'churches' so called would prevail against Hell, only THE Church Mt 16:18.

ALL those who call on His name are part of HIS Church; it simply doesn't matter what name is on the door of your worship building. I have told you before, you need to be very careful about sowing division and discord in the body because all you're doing is giving the enemy another way to attack the brotherhood. Stop, if you have any spiritual awareness in you.

 

[surada]

I'm not.

Ok.

 

[forkintheroad7]

ALL those who call on His name are part of HIS Church; it simply doesn't matter what name is on the door of your worship building.

novus ordo heresy

 

[hadit]

novus ordo heresy

Now, for the real questions:

In your mind, are Baptists Christians? What about Lutherans? Methodists? Anyone other than Catholics?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Now, for the real questions:

In your mind, are Baptists Christians? What about Lutherans? Methodists? Anyone other than Catholics?

Only the Sedevacantist Catholics are true Christians--in God's will... objectively speaking.

 

[hadit]

Only the Sedevacantist Catholics are true Christians--in God's will... objectively speaking.

You're excluding the Churches earlier than the Catholic One. How arrogant.

I'm sorry, but you are completely and unequivocally wrong about that. You have set yourself outside the body of Christ. The Bible is clear on what it takes to be a Christian and it does NOT include being in the Catholic Church.

 

[forkintheroad7]

You're excluding the Churches earlier than the Catholic One. How arrogant.

I'm sorry, but you are completely and unequivocally wrong about that. You have set yourself outside the body of Christ. The Bible is clear on what it takes to be a Christian and it does NOT include being in the Catholic Church.

Believe what you want. When you die, God will show you I was right. But you've been brainwashed by the protestants and it's likely been a lifelong process so you likely will never change..

 

[surada]

Only the Sedevacantist Catholics are true Christians--in God's will... objectively speaking.

You don't represent Catholics. You're basically obnoxious.

 

[hadit]

Believe what you want. When you die, God will show you I was right. But you've been brainwashed by the protestants and it's likely been a lifelong process so you likely will never change..

I follow the Bible, and I have faith that God will reveal to me anything that I need to know and to do. Therefore, if He really wants me to become a Catholic, He'd be telling me so, but since there's nothing about being a Catholic in the Bible, it's highly unlikely He'll ever tell me that. You do realize, don't you, that you are imposing restrictions on believers that God never did and never will? And further, do you not realize that you are sowing discord and division in the Body of Christ? If you have any integrity as a Christian, you would realize what you are doing and stop it.

 

[Meriweather]

I follow the Bible, and I have faith that God will reveal to me anything that I need to know and to do. Therefore, if He really wants me to become a Catholic, He'd be telling me so, but since there's nothing about being a Catholic in the Bible, it's highly unlikely He'll ever tell me that. You do realize, don't you, that you are imposing restrictions on believers that God never did and never will? And further, do you not realize that you are sowing discord and division in the Body of Christ? If you have any integrity as a Christian, you would realize what you are doing and stop it.

A couple of points to consider: First, Jesus did not send the written word out to all nations. He sent a church (Upon this rock I will build my Church). Second, Bible study takes decades, and then hours a day to keep it all in mind. Third, a single person is like a pond that grows stagnant because it hasn't a strong, steady source of water, nor does very much leave it.

You and I have spoken before about how some seem to regard God and oneself as a couple in and of itself. This being the case, it not Church (the Body of Christ) imposing restrictions, it is the person who only sees God and him/herself as the end all and be all of life.

Much of the life of the Catholic Church is to bring the people of God together, to be a body of people (the Body of Christ).

"It's just me and my Bible" may not be what Christ had in mind when he established Church. He may have had the whole people, gathered together, in mind.

 

[hadit]

A couple of points to consider: First, Jesus did not send the written word out to all nations. He sent a church (Upon this rock I will build my Church). Second, Bible study takes decades, and then hours a day to keep it all in mind. Third, a single person is like a pond that grows stagnant because it hasn't a strong, steady source of water, nor does very much leave it.

You and I have spoken before about how some seem to regard God and oneself as a couple in and of itself. This being the case, it not Church (the Body of Christ) imposing restrictions, it is the person who only sees God and him/herself as the end all and be all of life.

Much of the life of the Catholic Church is to bring the people of God together, to be a body of people (the Body of Christ).

"It's just me and my Bible" may not be what Christ had in mind when he established Church. He may have had the whole people, gathered together, in mind.

And that's not what I'm talking about. That other poster is trying to divide the Body and sow discord by claiming that HIS brand of Catholicism is the only true church and is rejecting others who are in relationship with God. He is putting himself in God's place and judging other Christians as being outside the faith, and he is trying to inflame emotions and pit Christians against each other. That must not be allowed to stand unchallenged. That's the first and most important point.

The second point is that, absolutely we need fellow worshippers around us. No one that I know denies that at all. What we ARE opposing is this artificial, "If you're not part of this specific organization, you're not a part of the body of Christ" sentiment, and I will oppose that until God Himself tells me differently through His Word and His Spirit. I have met, and I know you have as well, Christians from all different denominations who realize that the only criteria Christ gave for being in His body is faith in Him.

What a lot of people are saying about not wanting to be in a church service stems from church services being set up to appeal to certain demographics of which they are not a part. Have you noticed that modern churches are often set up to appeal more to women than to men? A lot of them are. There are many who are shamed because they don't dress the way the congregation, priest or pastor thinks is appropriate. There are those who are put to sleep by mind-numbing repetitious chants in a language foreign to them, or who cannot identify with the predominant culture of a congregation and feel left out, or simply don't have a clue when to stand, kneel or sit, or why. There are those who feel condemned as "less than" by the congregation, pastor or priest or are rejected because of sinful lives they are trying to leave, and on it goes. These are people who want God, who know they need God, but who, for whatever reason, do not feel welcomed in the church service, so they seek God on their own. This is not a Protestant only problem, but it is a big problem in the church. If we were to understand that a church service can take place in a boat out on a lake during a fishing trip, we would see a lot more people openly being a part of the fellowship of believers instead of trying to do it all on their own. Remember that the early church met where and when they could meet and didn't have established buildings and meeting times.

Case in point, a pastor at a church I was in told us about a woman who brought her children with her to his church and people pulled away from her like she was a leper. Why? Because she was a well-known exotic dancer in the area. Those are the people who NEED to be in church but are often rejected by the ones who should be welcoming them with open arms. She, should she become a Christian, would likely by one of those who would seek God on her own because of the rejection she felt. So, all that being said, be careful when accusing others in the body of things. You don't like non-Catholics accusing Catholics of things they don't understand, don't accuse Protestants of things without understanding where they may be coming from.

 

[forkintheroad7]

You're excluding the Churches earlier than the Catholic One. How arrogant.

I guess I'll have to ditch objective Truth and all that the Church has taught for centuries

so I won't look "arrogant"

 

[forkintheroad7]

That other poster is trying to divide the Body and sow discord

NEWSFLASH!

I didn't cause the division. I don't have that much power, believe it or not.

You are illogical and operating on emotions

 

[hadit]

I guess I'll have to ditch objective Truth and all that the Church has taught for centuries

so I won't look "arrogant"

The mere fact that you're relying on what the Church taught you and not what the Word itself says bolsters my point. When you can find something in the Bible that says you have to belong to a certain Catholic division to be a Christian, be sure to let me know.

 

[hadit]

NEWSFLASH!

I didn't cause the division. I don't have that much power, believe it or not.

You are illogical and operating on emotions

No, you haven't caused the division, you are ATTEMPTING to divide the Body of Christ by telling members that they are not part of it. That is wrong from the get-go, so stop it.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The mere fact that you're relying on what the Church taught you and not what the Word itself says bolsters my point. When you can find something in the Bible that says you have to belong to a certain Catholic division to be a Christian, be sure to let me know.

You need to get educated. It was the Catholic Church that put together the New Testament and accepted the Old and kept teaching from both for centuries. You are truly uneducated.

 

[forkintheroad7]

No, you haven't caused the division, you are ATTEMPTING to divide the Body of Christ by telling members that they are not part of it. That is wrong from the get-go, so stop it.

I don't care what YOU say is wrong. I care what is objectively wrong. And you speak of arrogance.. kind of arrogant to tell people to stop speaking their truth (not even admitting at least some of it could be Truth, period.. because you are the only one, apparently who has it).

hypocrisy

 

[forkintheroad7]

No, you haven't caused the division, you are ATTEMPTING to divide the Body of Christ by telling members that they are not part of it. That is wrong from the get-go, so stop it.

Your malicious posts alone indicate that you are apparently NOT part of it.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The mere fact that you're relying on what the Church taught you and not what the Word itself says bolsters my point. When you can find something in the Bible that says you have to belong to a certain Catholic division to be a Christian, be sure to let me know.

Protestants here at the forum can't even answer the SIMPLE question of WHEN their particular denomination begin in history.

No problem. I can answer that Q as can others who have studied history-- which most people here seem to be too lazy to do. And why should they study history anyway, they already know everything!! Next, they will be claiming God appeared b4 them and TOLD them they know everything about Jesus and salvation and need not learn a thing more!

Oh, wait, that appears to have already happened (?) or they act like it did.

But yeh, they can't or won't answer the Q about when their brand of Christianity began in history, whereas the Catholic Church-- as educated people know-- began at the beginning, at the Ascension of Christ. It was called "Catholic" in the first century AD.

But hey, the know-it-all Luther thought he could improve on what Jesus did.. and people have been buying that snake oil for 500 years