Zone1 I am prepared to call Protestantism a cult

[Meriweather]

I suppose this is addressed to me

You suppose wrong.

 

[forkintheroad7]

You suppose wrong.

Right, I'll bet.

And it's interesting you only comment on that one thing I said, which probably means you didn't read the whole post.

So yeh.. people believe what they want to believe, what makes them feel good or makes them look good to others (or both).. Truth gets in the way of what people want to do or believe so to hell w/ truth.

 

[Meriweather]

which probably means you didn't read the whole post.

Wrong again.

I come from a family of different faiths, of no faith, and different denominations of Christianity. I described the path I take with them, not the paths anyone chooses to take here.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Wrong again.

I come from a family of different faiths, of no faith, and different denominations of Christianity. I described the path I take with them, not the paths anyone chooses to take here.

I was not wrong. I said you Probably (didn't read the rest)

 

[Meriweather]

I was not wrong. I said you Probably (didn't read the rest)

Yes, I know what you said because I read it to begin with. There was only one portion I wished to address.

 

[ninja007]

At least I know what evangelicals teach. Most Protestants don't have a clue what Catholicism is.. but act like they know it inside and out. How dishonest can u get?

how so/ its in the catechism.

 

[ninja007]

If you read all or even most of my posts, you would understand. But you don't even WANT to understand true Catholicism versus false

I am laughing as a Catholic..

not in
eternity.

 

[ninja007]

Start with an example. So often, those who are not Catholic/Orthodox are content with being minimalists, keeping God and his works, his presence at a distance. God has this way of breaking through...

youve been shown a side by side chart for years. you refuse to accept the rcc teaching is not biblical

 

[zaangalewa]

In that regard, I tend to feel sorry for Martin Luther.

In general it's difficult to feel sorry for Martin Luther and his choleric temperament. He not was a tolerant man. He was not only against the Pope. Also a big part anti-Semitism, witch-hunt and hate on Muslims he expressed in extremely violent ways - even for this time of history.

Luther said about the rebellion of farmers for example: „man soll sie zerschmeißen, würgen, stechen, heimlich und öffentlich, wer da kann, wie man einen tollen Hund erschlagen muss“ = “you should smash them, strangle them, stab them, secretly and publicly, whoever can, like you have to beat a rabid dog to death”. Such sentences are not able to make me happy. Most of my ancestors had been farmers.

Because of Luther the nobles intensified their fight against the farmers so he was not only a useful idiot. He was in the centre of the movement to find violent solutions.

Martin Luther was a great academic theologian - but anything else than an innocent angel.

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By the way - here in Germany I met sometimes Protestants who are unbelievable tolerant - against all Christians. I remember for example a discussion with a Lutheran where she was against membership fees of Catholics and Protestants and when I argued this is not wise because we have here in Germany a very good system which depends on the income so that relativelly everyone pays the same (in theory: Who has a 10 times higher income pays 10 times more membership fees) she called me an intolerant bastard because I like to force everyone to pay membership fees. But also the church needs money. Sometimes people are very absurde. And it is never problem to speak with a representative of the bishop if a calculation is wrong or someone is not able to pay on whatever reason. With honesty and good will such problem are easily solveable.

 

[surada]

youve been shown a side by side chart for years. you refuse to accept the rcc teaching is not biblical

For instance?

 

[hadit]

Are you asking if I ask Jesus to join with me while we both talk to him?

I am working through the idea that, since Yeshua is my intercessor, I can ask Him to go with me to the Father. If you are going to ask that of Mary, why would you NOT ask it of Yeshua?

 

[Meriweather]

I am working through the idea that, since Yeshua is my intercessor, I can ask Him to go with me to the Father. If you are going to ask that of Mary, why would you NOT ask it of Yeshua?

Could it be non-Catholic Christians focus more on going individually into a closet for prayer, and Catholics focus equally on individual prayer and community prayer? Catholics can gather as a community at daily Mass to participate in God's work of salvation, our story of salvation and redemption. We take to heart that Christ defeated the final enemy--death--and that we are members of the greater community of the Body of Christ whose members are both those living this present life and the living who have passed on. We are not just an individual in a closet, we are a kingdom who come together in Christ. To simply ignore our fellowship with fellow members of the Body of Christ is, to many of us, inconceivable.

Catholics understand individual prayer--we do a lot of that. What is difficult for us to understand is how so many ignore the fact that death has been defeated and that our place in the Body of Christ, the Kingdom of God, is among, and with, others. Jesus did not just mediate my estrangement with God, he mediated the estrangement of all of mankind with God. We have so many brothers and sisters that it puzzles me why so many other Christians seem to see themselves as hermits apart from all others--that it is simply themselves, always one at a time, with God. Further, where are the celebrations that death has been defeated? Why treat those who have passed on as lepers, safely ignored? The kingdom--and kingdom prayer--celebrates and leaps for joy--at the glory of God. Is that not as important as a single person celebrating and leaping for joy?

 

[Meriweather]

youve been shown a side by side chart for years. you refuse to accept the rcc teaching is not biblical

I pay no attention to your cut and paste work. One's own study of the Bible and the etymology of Biblical language is a much better guide and a greater perspective than cut and pastes which are guilty of a narrow minded presentation.

 

[surada]

I am working through the idea that, since Yeshua is my intercessor, I can ask Him to go with me to the Father. If you are going to ask that of Mary, why would you NOT ask it of Yeshua?

Why do you say Yeshua instead of Jesus?

 

[surada]

I was not wrong. I said you Probably (didn't read the rest)

You should probably read the Bible.

 

[hadit]

Could it be non-Catholic Christians focus more on going individually into a closet for prayer, and Catholics focus equally on individual prayer and community prayer? Catholics can gather as a community at daily Mass to participate in God's work of salvation, our story of salvation and redemption. We take to heart that Christ defeated the final enemy--death--and that we are members of the greater community of the Body of Christ whose members are both those living this present life and the living who have passed on. We are not just an individual in a closet, we are a kingdom who come together in Christ. To simply ignore our fellowship with fellow members of the Body of Christ is, to many of us, inconceivable.

Catholics understand individual prayer--we do a lot of that. What is difficult for us to understand is how so many ignore the fact that death has been defeated and that our place in the Body of Christ, the Kingdom of God, is among, and with, others. Jesus did not just mediate my estrangement with God, he mediated the estrangement of all of mankind with God. We have so many brothers and sisters that it puzzles me why so many other Christians seem to see themselves as hermits apart from all others--that it is simply themselves, always one at a time, with God. Further, where are the celebrations that death has been defeated? Why treat those who have passed on as lepers, safely ignored? The kingdom--and kingdom prayer--celebrates and leaps for joy--at the glory of God. Is that not as important as a single person celebrating and leaping for joy?

We've talked about this before. Protestants believe in corporate prayer and practice it. We don't do chants and rote recitations, we are led in prayer and are free to agree with the leader in lifting up our supplications to God together with the body. All of what you said, however, does not address what I'm talking about, which is asking Yeshua to join us in going to the Father. If you ask Mary to do that, and you've said many times that you have, why would you NOT ask Him to do that as well?

 

[hadit]

Why do you say Yeshua instead of Jesus?

It's His Jewish name.

 

[Meriweather]

All of what you said, however, does not address what I'm talking about, which is asking Yeshua to join us in going to the Father.

You don't believe Jesus is one with the Father? I guess you are saying you separate them, and then bring them together?

Do you believe prayer is through the Holy Spirit, that God's Spirit embraces all prayers and all those gathered in that prayer, that prayer is through the name of Jesus? (I probably don't understand what you are getting at.) Where two or three are gathered in his name, Jesus is there. Perhaps you formally pray, "Jesus come pray with me to the Father"?

 

[surada]

It's His Jewish name.

I didn't know you were Jewish. Sorry.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I read things in this religion forum and just shake my head and wonder at it all..

Jesus established ONE Church, ONE only, yet virtually everyone here supports the 30,000+ supposed "churches" that Luther and Co started. .

Jesus founded a Church and it goes back to the very beginning, the 1st century AD. Extant writings show it was called Catholic (Universal) at least as early as 107 AD. Go back to that time period and you will find Catholicism: confession to a priest, the Eucharist, the Sacraments..

But "people loved darkness rather than light," so they prefer to follow HUMANS like Luther and Calvin and Jim Bakker and Jesse Duplantis and Joel Olsteen... the last fake 6 popes, etc. Then they have the unmitigated gall to accuse Catholics of listening to the pope (the real ones)! Then even when Catholics reject the NON-Catholic (non-Christian) Francis as being pope, we get attacked for that as well!

How charitable you all are..

You people are seriously MESSED UP. I don't say that to be snarky, I say it because.. like any disorder, you only get better by first acknowledging that it exists.

Then you need a doctor, namely Christ and HIS Church. If you reject that, you will definitely end up in Hell. Jesus said he would establish HIS Church and that HIS Church would prevail against the gates of Hell.. He never said man-made 'churches' so called would prevail against Hell, only THE Church Mt 16:18.