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[Carl in Michigan]

There is no such thing as a "New Rome". I don't know how you develop the deep fear that Jesus would return and rule from Rome. No one else thinks this. John speaks of a New Heaven and a New Earth, a New Holy City (New Jerusalem).

That occurs AFTER the Thousand Year Reign of Christ FROM JERUSALEM.

THAT occurs AFTER the earth is destroyed by the Lake of Fire.

Everything PHYSICAL will be burnt up. The earth will be made NEW by fire. It will be the home of God the Father and the resurrected saints.

The Father will make His home on the New Earth and not heaven

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

[surada]

Yes, I can even show it to you on a map.
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That is exactly where Christ will return. And that will split in half as soon as He does.

I didn't know Catholics were literal like evangelicals.

 

[Meriweather]

I didn't know Catholics were literal like evangelicals.

We're not, at least not most of us.

 

[surada]

We're not, at least not most of us.

I'm sorry. I know you're Catholic. Is Irish ram Catholic?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I'm sorry. I know you're Catholic. Is Irish ram Catholic?

Do you read her posts?

 

[surada]

Do you read her posts?

I think I'm confused here

 

[The Irish Ram]

I didn't know Catholics were literal like evangelicals.

The Catholic Church has never been a big fan of the Jew. They quietly embrace Replacement Theology. Some non-Catholic churches also feel that the Jews blew it so God (broke His promise to Abraham) and chose a church or a different group of people to give the blessings to instead.
I believe what the Bible says, especially if it doubles down on an issue.

Zech: 14-4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

 

[The Irish Ram]

No, I'm not Catholic. I grew up in a little town that was primarily Catholic, and I can honestly say that I love each one of my Catholic friends, and will forever. They are devout, they love the Lord, and live their lives for Christ. There is no reason for them to not be in Heaven. My husband and his 9 siblings are Catholic. My in-laws are some of the finest people I know. All Catholic.

Misery/forked decided to name me a Catholic hater. Just one more thing she's wrong about. I am evangelical. I believe we are called to spread the good news. And to use scripture to verify what I read or hear.

2Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

 

[Meriweather]

The Catholic Church has never been a big fan of the Jew. They quietly embrace Replacement Theology. Some non-Catholic churches also feel that the Jews blew it so God (broke His promise to Abraham) and chose a church or a different group of people to give the blessings to instead.
I believe what the Bible says, especially if it doubles down on an issue.

Where do you come up with these things? For sixty years now, Catholic/Jewish relations have been revisited. And no, we do not "embrace Replacement Theology." The Catholic Church explicitly rejects Replacement Theology. The Old Covenant was never revoked.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Where do you come up with these things? For sixty years now, Catholic/Jewish relations have been revisited. And no, we do not "embrace Replacement Theology." The Catholic Church explicitly rejects Replacement Theology. The Old Covenant was never revoked.

How the Popes felt through history toward the Jews is no secret. Otherwise, there would be no need to revisit their relationship with the Jews a mere 60 years ago. It is because of their dislike for the Jews that they do embrace replacement theology.

It is correct that the old covenant was never revoked, if you are referring to the promises God and Abraham made together. And they never will be.

 

[cnm]

Sin destroys your connection to God, esp mortal sin like adultery, fornication, masturbation, abortion............ mutilating your gender..

Evangenitals.



All they care about are others' private parts.

 

[SweetSue92]

That's not the point I brought up and you are dodging bc you know history is NOT on the side of Prostantantism.

that's all protestants ever do.. When a Catholic brings up a valid point.. say, about HISTORY, which cannot be denied, it's always what the Catholic Church did or allegedly did.. that's the only answer they give. But the Church never acted in doing all the evils they bring up or alleged evils. It was a Catholic INDIVIDUAL or group of them who did .. whatever..

Address the issue I brought up.. How the CC is the one Christ founded and that no other "christian churches" were on the scene until the 16th century.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I KNOW all the information you're giving and didn't deny it. Yes, the ROMAN Catholic Church was the only game in town for centuries. And then the Church was corrupted by things like Indulgences. It happened.

 

[zaangalewa]

You never heard of the French Huguenots, have you? Catholics slaughtered them by the thousands in the 15th century.

On the other side became the huegenots - calvinists - the backbone of the calvinistic Prussian ruling house against their own Berlin and Brandenburg Lutherans. And Calvin had introduced a terror regime without any freedom in Geneva. He was only another kind of Savonarola.

 

[zaangalewa]

A real Catholic wouldn't talk like this.

Eh? Do you speak with me?

 

[zaangalewa]

My point is that Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who opposed the sale of indulgences--but...Martin Luther was not the only priest who opposed the sale of indulgences. In fact, the Church is on record, shortly before Martin Luther was born, and again about twenty years later, saying indulgences were not to be sold. In opposing Friar Tetzler's sale of indulgences (along with other priests who opposed this), Martin Luther was upholding Catholic Church teaching on indulgences.

By the way. Frair Tetzler was right to do so. We needed money - a lot of money - because the Catholic fight for freedom and peace was in danger to go lost when the Hagia Sofia fell (=the orthodox East-Roman cathedral of all Christendom). St. Peter's Cathedral in Rome had to replace her function as a new centre for culture and civilisation. You can see what happened back then as a kind of peace bond. And they did do a damn (sorry!) good job. Saint Peter's cathedral is a jewel.

And indeed was this for no one a real problem. If someone had no money and wanted to be without sin then he was able to go to confession. The only real problem (in theory!) had been to forgive sins someone will make in the future. This is indeed counterproductive - but as far as I know leaded this also not to real problems. And if someone spends money on reason to avoid some time in purgatory - why should god not hear this prayer and help this souls? For sure the people who gave money had helped our church and all Christendom.

 

[zaangalewa]

The Catholic Church has never been a big fan of the Jew. ...

What a nonsense. The Brits (Normans) started with the nonsense to attack Jews in the first crusade. When British and French knights crossed the Holy Empire on their way to Jerusalem the first time in the history of Germany Jews had been attacked. As far as I know in Italy for example Jews never had been attacked.

 

[zaangalewa]

How the Popes felt through history toward the Jews is no secret. ....

Aha. Example?

 

[zaangalewa]

cnm

What was funny? This idea was a typical US-American idea how to make money. Everyone of you would be proud to have such a good idea to make money. The only problem: We had not been able to ask you. You was still not existing.

 

[surada]

No, I'm not Catholic. I grew up in a little town that was primarily Catholic, and I can honestly say that I love each one of my Catholic friends, and will forever. They are devout, they love the Lord, and live their lives for Christ. There is no reason for them to not be in Heaven. My husband and his 9 siblings are Catholic. My in-laws are some of the finest people I know. All Catholic.

Misery/forked decided to name me a Catholic hater. Just one more thing she's wrong about. I am evangelical. I believe we are called to spread the good news. And to use scripture to verify what I read or hear.

2Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Thanks .

 

[surada]

The Catholic Church has never been a big fan of the Jew. They quietly embrace Replacement Theology. Some non-Catholic churches also feel that the Jews blew it so God (broke His promise to Abraham) and chose a church or a different group of people to give the blessings to instead.
I believe what the Bible says, especially if it doubles down on an issue.

Zech: 14-4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

norwegen

There's several ways to read zechariah 14:2-4...

The split of the Mount of Olives could be the division of Jews who went into exile and those who stayed behind.

There's also There is a possible allusion to the commandment of God to His people in Zechariah 14:5 to “flee by the Valley of My mountains” in the Mount Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24.

Remember....all this could be first century history..I was never, ever taught the mount of Olives actually split in two.

“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”

And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: The city will be taken, houses will be plundered, women raped; half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
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Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, fighting as on a day of battle.