Huge Advance In Education!

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There is some reason why children cannot write their own names nor do basic arithmetic. Why can't high school graduates read at a 3rd grade level?

Where did you get this stupid idea? Dp you have an overactive imagination?

Talking to high school graduates. I was being kind to the graduates. Most cannot read at all. California lost a lawsuit because graduates can't read. This isn't an isolated instance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/02/23/california-students-who-sued-state-because-they-cant-read-just-won-53-million-troubled-schools/%3foutputType=amp

I see they are not the only ones who cannot read. They didn't get a dime. The money went back to the schools. They are also elementary schools. Want to bet most of the plaintiffs are illegals from Mexico or their children?

 

[Unkotare]

There is some reason why children cannot write their own names nor do basic arithmetic. Why can't high school graduates read at a 3rd grade level?

Where did you get this stupid idea? Dp you have an overactive imagination?

Talking to high school graduates. I was being kind to the graduates. Most cannot read at all. ...

That is simply not true.

 

[ChemEngineer]

There is some reason why children cannot write their own names nor do basic arithmetic. Why can't high school graduates read at a 3rd grade level?

Where did you get this stupid idea? Dp you have an overactive imagination?

“In 1950, we spent (in 1989 dollars) $1,333 per student. In 1989 we spent $4931. As John Silber, the President of Boston University, has written, ‘It is troubling that this nearly fourfold increase in real spending has brought no improvement. It is scandalous that it has not prevented substantial decline.’ ” – William J. Bennett, former Secretary of Education, in The De-Valuing of America

University of California now conducts numerous classes in remedial math and English.
You have a lot of gall referring to anybody else as "stupid," Admiral.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There is some reason why children cannot write their own names nor do basic arithmetic. Why can't high school graduates read at a 3rd grade level?

Where did you get this stupid idea? Dp you have an overactive imagination?

“In 1950, we spent (in 1989 dollars) $1,333 per student. In 1989 we spent $4931. As John Silber, the President of Boston University, has written, ‘It is troubling that this nearly fourfold increase in real spending has brought no improvement. It is scandalous that it has not prevented substantial decline.’ ” – William J. Bennett, former Secretary of Education, in The De-Valuing of America

University of California now conducts numerous classes in remedial math and English.
You have a lot of gall referring to anybody else as "stupid," Admiral.

Special education, programs for schools without funding, etc.?

When it comes to education you are definitely stupid.

 

[initforme]

Hear hear admiral. Hard to refute you. Keep up the great work.

 

[Unkotare]

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“In 1950, we spent (in 1989 dollars) $1,333 per student. In 1989 we spent $4931. As John Silber, the President of Boston University, has written, ‘It is troubling that this nearly fourfold increase in real spending has brought no improvement. It is scandalous that it has not prevented substantial decline.’ ” – William J. Bennett, former Secretary of Education, in The De-Valuing of America
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When is this quote from? Siliber has been deceased for a long time now.

 

[Picaro]

And, right wing propaganda is just as silly and stupid as left wing hackery is; we can see that every day here on this board, so both extremes need to be avoided. Right wing sociopaths are just as fond of faggots, mindless self-indulgence, evolution nonsense, and doper cults as left wingers are, so be careful what you wish for.

Your attempt at equivalence is, in your own words, "silly and stupid."

Former UC Berkeley math professor, Theodore Kaczynski, killed people with his package bombs.
He was a huge fan of Al Gore and had a well-worn copy of Earth in the Balance in his rathole cabin.

Former Colorado professor said "Everyone who died on 9/11 were a bunch of little Eichmanns."
He claimed to be American Indian,you know, like Leftist Elizabeth Warren.

I could cite silly and stupid things said and done by Leftists in academia for pages. I challenge you to provide just a few silly and stupid things said and done by any Conservative in academia. There aren't very many of them. Conservatives are ostracized by the Leftist Comrades in academia.

"Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one." - The Late Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate

November, 2017 A YouGov survey found that more millenials would rather live in a socialist (44%) or communist (7%) country than a capitalist one (42%). America and our once cherished ideals are doomed.

“In 1950, we spent (in 1989 dollars) $1,333 per student. In 1989 we spent $4931. As John Silber, the President of Boston University, has written, ‘It is troubling that this nearly fourfold increase in real spending has brought no improvement. It is scandalous that it has not prevented substantial decline.’ ” – William J. Bennett, former Secretary of Education, in The De-Valuing of America

“Yet universities are becoming laughing stocks of intolerance….” -Stephen Pinker, liberal and atheist professor, Harvard University

The sixth-grade textbooks of today are much less challenging than those of a few decades ago…” – Carl Sagan, Demon Haunted World, page 362

It has been said that we have not had the three R’s in America, we had the six R’s; remedial readin’, remedial ‘ritin’ and remedial ‘rithmetic. – Robert Maynard Hutchins (also Maynard Hutchins) (1899–1977) educational philosopher, dean of Yale Law School (1927-1929), a president of the University of Chicago (1929–1945) and its chancellor (1945–1951).


Education is one of the few things a person is willing to pay for and not get. – William Lowe Bryan (1860–1955) 10th president of Indiana University (1902 to 1937).

Oh gee, I angered yet another crank loon, one who can't read either. I know you loons hate for the truth about your crazy ideologies to ever be told, you really need a low IQ herd mentality to make you feel safe in your space, there.

 

[Picaro]

There is some reason why children cannot write their own names nor do basic arithmetic. Why can't high school graduates read at a 3rd grade level?

Where did you get this stupid idea? Dp you have an overactive imagination?

Talking to high school graduates. I was being kind to the graduates. Most cannot read at all. California lost a lawsuit because graduates can't read. This isn't an isolated instance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/02/23/california-students-who-sued-state-because-they-cant-read-just-won-53-million-troubled-schools/%3foutputType=amp

Citing facts just annoys these 'professionals'.

Texas has a program that sends students who grade in the top 10% of their high school to UT Texas free, or almost free, and of course those from crappy schools aren't nearly prepared for the work, and many of them are minorities as well of course, so they just keep socially promoting them along anyway, and many eventually drop out. a Waste of time, money, and space, but none of the teacher orgs will ever be caught dead criticizing that ssytem, they just dream up stupid crap to benefit themselves as a group, like demanding pay bonuses for speaking Spanish or for overtime tutoring, or better yet for big dollar grants to 'study the issues'. We know for a fact that home schooling certainly doesn't do any worse than a lot of public schools.

And, we know parents are the biggest factors in the success of both methods. If your parents are dope addled morons, no matter what their financial situations are, don't expect the kids to do well. See a lot of the eastern 'elites' for many fine examples of upper class stupidity; George Bush's Andover/Phillips farce doesn't exactly make that school look good, and certainly not Harvard and Yale's alleged 'education' skillz.

 

[Picaro]

Leftist social and political poison has been enervating the Republic in a myriad of ways for many decades. Lazy, myopic people see only the most recent consequences and imagine it can be easily and simply encapsulated in some imagined "indoctrination" in public schools. Just as a homeless, hungry, abused, addicted, or otherwise traumatized student will have a very hard time learning, the real problem is much larger and deeper than a "Publik Skuls Suks!" bumper-sticker mentality. The first step in solving a problem is realizing what it actually is.

lol you're not a teacher, you're just a troll, and that is about all you would do if some tard let you teach a class, babble ideological rubbish all day.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And, right wing propaganda is just as silly and stupid as left wing hackery is; we can see that every day here on this board, so both extremes need to be avoided. Right wing sociopaths are just as fond of faggots, mindless self-indulgence, evolution nonsense, and doper cults as left wingers are, so be careful what you wish for.

Your attempt at equivalence is, in your own words, "silly and stupid."

Former UC Berkeley math professor, Theodore Kaczynski, killed people with his package bombs.
He was a huge fan of Al Gore and had a well-worn copy of Earth in the Balance in his rathole cabin.

Former Colorado professor said "Everyone who died on 9/11 were a bunch of little Eichmanns."
He claimed to be American Indian,you know, like Leftist Elizabeth Warren.

I could cite silly and stupid things said and done by Leftists in academia for pages. I challenge you to provide just a few silly and stupid things said and done by any Conservative in academia. There aren't very many of them. Conservatives are ostracized by the Leftist Comrades in academia.

"Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one." - The Late Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate

November, 2017 A YouGov survey found that more millenials would rather live in a socialist (44%) or communist (7%) country than a capitalist one (42%). America and our once cherished ideals are doomed.

“In 1950, we spent (in 1989 dollars) $1,333 per student. In 1989 we spent $4931. As John Silber, the President of Boston University, has written, ‘It is troubling that this nearly fourfold increase in real spending has brought no improvement. It is scandalous that it has not prevented substantial decline.’ ” – William J. Bennett, former Secretary of Education, in The De-Valuing of America

“Yet universities are becoming laughing stocks of intolerance….” -Stephen Pinker, liberal and atheist professor, Harvard University

The sixth-grade textbooks of today are much less challenging than those of a few decades ago…” – Carl Sagan, Demon Haunted World, page 362

It has been said that we have not had the three R’s in America, we had the six R’s; remedial readin’, remedial ‘ritin’ and remedial ‘rithmetic. – Robert Maynard Hutchins (also Maynard Hutchins) (1899–1977) educational philosopher, dean of Yale Law School (1927-1929), a president of the University of Chicago (1929–1945) and its chancellor (1945–1951).


Education is one of the few things a person is willing to pay for and not get. – William Lowe Bryan (1860–1955) 10th president of Indiana University (1902 to 1937).

Oh gee, I angered yet another crank loon, one who can't read either. I know you loons hate for the truth about your crazy ideologies to ever be told, you really need a low IQ herd mentality to make you feel safe in your space, there.

If you education critics would educate yourself on the topic, it would really make you less looney in your comments. You merely repeat talking points made up by education failures.

 

[Unkotare]

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lol you're not a teacher...

In fact, I am.

 

[ChemEngineer]

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“In 1950, we spent (in 1989 dollars) $1,333 per student. In 1989 we spent $4931. As John Silber, the President of Boston University, has written, ‘It is troubling that this nearly fourfold increase in real spending has brought no improvement. It is scandalous that it has not prevented substantial decline.’ ” – William J. Bennett, former Secretary of Education, in The De-Valuing of America
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When is this quote from? Siliber has been deceased for a long time now.

I cited the source. Look up Bill Bennett's book on Amazon. That will show you when it was published, no doubt shortly after his tenure as Secretary of Education.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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“In 1950, we spent (in 1989 dollars) $1,333 per student. In 1989 we spent $4931. As John Silber, the President of Boston University, has written, ‘It is troubling that this nearly fourfold increase in real spending has brought no improvement. It is scandalous that it has not prevented substantial decline.’ ” – William J. Bennett, former Secretary of Education, in The De-Valuing of America
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When is this quote from? Siliber has been deceased for a long time now.

I cited the source. Look up Bill Bennett's book on Amazon. That will show you when it was published, no doubt shortly after his tenure as Secretary of Education.

He was Sec of Education over 32 years ago. Do you think much has changed in that time period?

 

[ChemEngineer]

Oh gee, I angered yet another crank loon, one who can't read either. I know you loons hate for the truth about your crazy ideologies to ever be told, [RUN ON SENTENCE] you really need a low IQ herd mentality to make you feel safe in your space, there.

Democrats claim to hold the intellectual high ground. Read the above and judge for yourself. I'll simply add this Picaro to my already long Ignore List. He joins others who, in my opinion, add nothing to any discussion.

Conservatives didn't originate safe space. You Lefties did. We don't need it. You people do.
ciao brutto

 

[PoliticalChic]

I have said that unless we wrest control of education back from the Democrat/Liberal government schools, as earlier Republicans pried their slaves away from them, the nation has no future.

But....I couldn't see any possible way to do this........


BUT......
"Coronavirus has parents looking at homeschooling

With the COVID-19 virus closing schools in China, South Korea, Italy, and the United States, parents are having to make a sudden and unexpected change in their children’s education. Most often, it means shifting education into the home.


This learning at home looks different in different places. In Hong Kong, the government ordered 800,000 students to take what the Wall Street Journal calls “a crash course in digital learning.”

In New York City, parents are already seeking out homeschooling resources that fit their children and their families in preparation for any school closings.

The freedom of parents to choose the kind of education that’s best for each child is something we’ve been advocating for more than 35 years.

Homeschool grads go to college, join the military, launch their own businesses, and start families. They serve in soup kitchens, run for office, fight fires, and give back to their communities in many other ways.

In fact, more than 1.7 million students are homeschooling in the U.S., according to the National Center for Education Statistics.If both parents are working, it is still possible to make homeschooling work through options such as alternating work schedules or one parent working from home. It takes creativity, commitment, and even saying, “No,” to some opportunities. But without the restriction of a traditional school-day schedule, families are able to carve out time together and even flex their homeschool schedule along with variable work schedules (such as healthcare providers or cross-country transport)."
Coronavirus has parents looking at homeschooling

"VIDEO: NYU Business Prof Explains How Coronavirus Will be A Wrecking Ball to Higher Ed
Posted by Mike LaChance Friday, June 5, 2020 at 10:00am
“He notes this is the only industry in America which has yet to face significant pressures to cost-cut.”


American education has long been absurdly overpriced. He notes this is the only industry in America which has yet to face significant pressures to cost-cut.

He says that parents are getting to see what their $76,000 per year is buying them– because now they can see the witless profs lecturing to their kids on the Zoom sessions they have online.

And parents are thinking: “This is worthless. I am spending $300,000 for something absolutely worthless.”

Not just worthless — in addition to the debt, there are four years (at least) of lost wages and lost experience to consider.

VIDEO: NYU Business Prof Explains How Coronavirus Will be A Wrecking Ball to Higher Ed

'He notes this is the only industry in America which has yet to face significant pressures to cost-cut.'

legalinsurrection.com

 

[ChemEngineer]

He was Sec of Education over 32 years ago. Do you think much has changed in that time period?

Oh yes, and for the worse. The money has, however, kept rolling in, and that's all the educrats care about. More money, more money, more money. Meanwhile they send their own children to private schools at a higher ratio than the general public, as did the Obamas, the Clintons and the Gores, hypocrites all. When you attended school, did they have homosexuals lecturing you on the wonders of their practices? Nobody can say a disparaging word about sexual perverts today. To do so instantly brands one as "homophobic" and "intolerant." These people are utterly intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. THAT'S bigotry defined.

 

[PoliticalChic]

He was Sec of Education over 32 years ago. Do you think much has changed in that time period?

Oh yes, and for the worse. The money has, however, kept rolling in, and that's all the educrats care about. More money, more money, more money. Meanwhile they send their own children to private schools at a higher ratio than the general public, as did the Obamas, the Clintons and the Gores, hypocrites all. When you attended school, did they have homosexuals lecturing you on the wonders of their practices? Nobody can say a disparaging word about sexual perverts today. To do so instantly brands one as "homophobic" and "intolerant." These people are utterly intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. THAT'S bigotry defined.

1. Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.” D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
2. When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. IN 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees. http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
3. “In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.” Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He was Sec of Education over 32 years ago. Do you think much has changed in that time period?

Oh yes, and for the worse. The money has, however, kept rolling in, and that's all the educrats care about. More money, more money, more money. Meanwhile they send their own children to private schools at a higher ratio than the general public, as did the Obamas, the Clintons and the Gores, hypocrites all. When you attended school, did they have homosexuals lecturing you on the wonders of their practices? Nobody can say a disparaging word about sexual perverts today. To do so instantly brands one as "homophobic" and "intolerant." These people are utterly intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. THAT'S bigotry defined.

In answer to your question, no. That wasn't done the 21 years I was teaching nor in my kid's classes when they attended school from 1989 to 2012. It is also not in my grandchildren's classes which are in the 5th through 8th grades right now in three different school sytem in two different states.

Show me a school system where this is taught and I will show you a liberal dominated state or city.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He was Sec of Education over 32 years ago. Do you think much has changed in that time period?

Oh yes, and for the worse. The money has, however, kept rolling in, and that's all the educrats care about. More money, more money, more money. Meanwhile they send their own children to private schools at a higher ratio than the general public, as did the Obamas, the Clintons and the Gores, hypocrites all. When you attended school, did they have homosexuals lecturing you on the wonders of their practices? Nobody can say a disparaging word about sexual perverts today. To do so instantly brands one as "homophobic" and "intolerant." These people are utterly intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. THAT'S bigotry defined.

1. Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.” D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
2. When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. IN 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees. http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
3. “In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.” Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304

Your number one statement is wrong.

The Education Department was formed because many states were failing to properly educate poor and minority students. If there was not federal oversight in the rest of the century, how many generations would there be that failed to get an education in states like Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi?

Your number two statement is inaccurate.

The Department of Education is administered by the United States secretary of education. It has under 4,000 employees (2018) and an annual budget of $68 billion (2016).

United States Department of Education - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your last statement is completely irrelevant. How many students died during the shutdown?

 

[PoliticalChic]

He was Sec of Education over 32 years ago. Do you think much has changed in that time period?

Oh yes, and for the worse. The money has, however, kept rolling in, and that's all the educrats care about. More money, more money, more money. Meanwhile they send their own children to private schools at a higher ratio than the general public, as did the Obamas, the Clintons and the Gores, hypocrites all. When you attended school, did they have homosexuals lecturing you on the wonders of their practices? Nobody can say a disparaging word about sexual perverts today. To do so instantly brands one as "homophobic" and "intolerant." These people are utterly intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. THAT'S bigotry defined.

1. Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA) “In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.” D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.
2. When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. IN 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees. http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen
3. “In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.” Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304

Your number one statement is wrong.

The Education Department was formed because many states were failing to properly educate poor and minority students. If there was not federal oversight in the rest of the century, how many generations would there be that failed to get an education in states like Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi?

Your number two statement is inaccurate.

The Department of Education is administered by the United States secretary of education. It has under 4,000 employees (2018) and an annual budget of $68 billion (2016).

United States Department of Education - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your last statement is completely irrelevant. How many students died during the shutdown?

Nah.....it's to give vulgar reprobates like you employment.