“Education”??? Insidious And Evil!

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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You do realize that is still taught in public schools everywhere, right? Students have no need to recall that on a test 20 years later if they don't use it. I have had a digital watch since high school and I am 65. We have ONE, repeat one, analog clock in my house. How many do you have?

 

[Jarlaxle]

You do realize that is still taught in public schools everywhere, right? Students have no need to recall that on a test 20 years later if they don't use it. I have had a digital watch since high school and I am 65. We have ONE, repeat one, analog clock in my house. How many do you have?

No, it's not. One of my nephews hadn't even SEEN an analog clock until he was ten years old.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That statement is patently false. Our best students score the same as the best students in other countries. It is the AVERAGE test score that is lower.

Your knowledge of educational statistics is especially poor. They teach classes in graduate school for education is you would like to partake. Gerald Bracey is the author of the text we used.

Your problem in defending the failed government school system is that I prove what I claim.

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PISA - PISA - OECD

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PISA is the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment. PISA measures 15-year-olds' ability to use their reading, mathematics and science ...

 

[PoliticalChic]

A major reason why the school system fails so miserably is that it is based on self-esteem rather than actual education.


A word about Democrat-controlled government schooling.....


In the light of the essential nature of emotion to the Left, it makes perfect sense that they have created the (highly destructive) self-esteem movement, based on how one feels about oneself. Of course, it is always quite a high number for Leftists, convinced that they are brighter, kinder, finer, more sophisticated, more enlightened, more selfless, and, of course, more intellectual.
From chapter two of Prager's "Still The Best Hope."


a. "A 1989 study of mathematical skills compared students in eight different countries. American students ranked lowest in mathematical competence and Korean students ranked highest. But the researchers also asked students to rate how good they were at mathematics. The Americans ranked highest in self-judged mathematical ability, while the Koreans ranked themselves lowest.

There is no evidence that high self-esteem reliably causes anything.
The Problem with Self-Esteem

 

[PoliticalChic]

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Jan 10, 2013 — Self-control, not self-esteem, leads to success, researchers have found. Indeed, teaching self-esteem actually harms students' achievement ...Read more

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Your problem in defending the failed government school system is that I prove what I claim.


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PISA - PISA - OECD

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PISA is the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment. PISA measures 15-year-olds' ability to use their reading, mathematics and science ...

Get a master's degree in education before you comment on things you obviously don't understand. I do not have the time nor crayons to explain to you the complexities of the information you are trying to understand. It took me weeks in graduate school studying educational statistics to understand the realities of international testing. It is too complicated for laymen to understand without a math background and experience in the classroom to truly understand.

 

[Unkotare]

A major reason why the school system fails so miserably is that it is based on self-esteem rather than actual education.
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Wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Get a master's degree in education before you comment on things you obviously don't understand. I do not have the time nor crayons to explain to you the complexities of the information you are trying to understand. It took me weeks in graduate school studying educational statistics to understand the realities of international testing. It is too complicated for laymen to understand without a math background and experience in the classroom to truly understand.

Where are American studest on the PISA list?


Doin' a good job?


This is what education college teaches:


As long as the Left controls education and educators, it won't happen.





This is what we find in teacher college:


"Pedagogy of the Oppressor

Another reason why U.S. ed schools are so awful: the ongoing influence of Brazilian Marxist Paulo Freire

Pedagogy of the Oppressor

1. At a recent meeting of the New York Teaching Fellows program (“Teach for America”: provides an alternate route to state certification for about 1,700 new teachers annually) , Sol Stern found the one book that the fellows had to read in full was Pedagogy of the Oppressed, by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire.

This book has achieved near-iconic status in America’s teacher-training programs. In 2003, David Steiner and Susan Rozen published a study examining the curricula of 16 schools of education—14 of them among the top-ranked institutions in the country, according to U.S. News and World Report—and found that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was one of the most frequently assigned texts in their philosophy of education courses.

1. But rather than dealing with the education of children, Pedagogy of the Oppressed mentions none of the issues that troubled education reformers throughout the twentieth century: testing, standards, curriculum, the role of parents, how to organize schools, what subjects should be taught in various grades, how best to train teachers, the most effective way of teaching disadvantaged students. This ed-school bestseller is, instead, a utopian political tract calling for the overthrow of capitalist hegemony and the creation of classless societies.
2. Freire isn’t interested in the Western tradition’s leading education thinkers—not Rousseau, not Piaget, not John Dewey, not Horace Mann, not Maria Montessori. He cites a rather different set of figures: Marx, Lenin, Mao, Che Guevara, and Fidel Castro, as well as the radical intellectuals Frantz Fanon, Régis Debray, Herbert Marcuse, Jean-Paul Sartre, Louis Althusser, and Georg Lukács. And no wonder, since Freire’s main idea is that the central contradiction of every society is between the “oppressors” and the “oppressed” and that revolution should resolve their conflict. The “oppressed” are, moreover, destined to develop a “pedagogy” that leads them to their own liberation.
3. Freire never intends “pedagogy” to refer to any method of classroom instruction based on analysis and research, or to any means of producing higher academic achievement for students. [H]e relies on Marx’s standard formulation that “the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat [and] this dictatorship only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.” In one footnote, however, Freire does mention a society that has actually realized the “permanent liberation” he seeks: it “appears to be the fundamental aspect of Mao’s Cultural Revolution.”
4. The pedagogical point of Freire’s thesis : its opposition to taxing students with any actual academic content, which Freire derides as “official knowledge” that serves to rationalize inequality within capitalist society. One of Freire’s most widely quoted metaphors dismisses teacher-directed instruction as a misguided “banking concept,” in which “the scope of action allowed to the students extends only as far as receiving, filing and storing the deposits.” Freire proposes instead that teachers partner with their coequals, the students, in a “dialogic” and “problem-solving” process until the roles of teacher and student merge into “teacher-students” and “student-teachers.”

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where are American studest on the PISA list?


Doin' a good job?


This is what education college teaches:


As long as the Left controls education and educators, it won't happen.

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I could not find any American studests on the list.

How about you explain how you measure reading skills in different languages? How many American students have English as a second language? We don't test in Spanish, Arabic, or any of the other languages that my students used in their home every day. Back when they were doing the TIMSS tests, Germany pulled out of the testing program because their students did so poorly, and they only tested the upper division of their students. They felt the test were biased against their students.

 

[Unkotare]

... Pedagogy of the Oppressed, by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire.
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Couldn't find anyone from this century? Dude's been dead for almost 30 years.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Couldn't find anyone from this century? Dude's been dead for almost 30 years.

Her Google-fu is deteriorating!

 

[PoliticalChic]

I could not find any American studests on the list.

How about you explain how you measure reading skills in different languages? How many American students have English as a second language? We don't test in Spanish, Arabic, or any of the other languages that my students used in their home every day. Back when they were doing the TIMSS tests, Germany pulled out of the testing program because their students did so poorly, and they only tested the upper division of their students. They felt the test were biased against their students.

Look again after you clean your glasses.


Why do you teachers do such a poor job?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Look again after you clean your glasses.


Why do you teachers do such a poor job?

There are no American studests on the list, and I don't wear glasses. Maybe you should clean yours!

 

[Unkotare]

Look again after you clean your glasses.


Why do you teachers do such a poor job?

More illogic.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Where are American studest on the PISA list?

studest?