How we are destroying our world (and don't give a damn)

[frigidweirdo]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

 

[JokerX27505]

how does the left make the world more like the first picture and how does the right make the world more like the second?

 

[theHawk]

"The right seem to like the latter."

 

[Old Rocks]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

But explaining that to a 'Conservative is like explaining nuclear physics to a five year old. A five year old with Downs.

 

[Old Rocks]

how does the left make the world more like the first picture and how does the right make the world more like the second?

Repealing laws concerning water and air pollution, so millionaires can continue to make even more money off of mountain top removal mining.

 

[Darkwind]

Actually, the left is more like the latter. If you've ever seen images of the aftermath of a leftist rally, the trash left behind is horrendous. Now compare that to a rally by the T.E.A. party. Go ahead, go look it up.

If you cannot get that right, why would I or anyone believe anything else you have to say on the matter?

 

[westwall]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Hmmm. The evidence says otherwise.

Here's what it looked like after Glastonbury, populated by "environmentally conscious" concert goers.

Glastonbury 2011: Fans head home amid sea of rubbish | Daily Mail Online



And here is what it looks like after a rightwinger rally.

Notice the difference?




Good Sense: Compare Garbage After Tea Party Vs. Obama Inauguration

 

[JokerX27505]

how far are you willing to go to protect nature that provides us the things we need. That seems to be the debate that right vs left seem to have correct?
I hope to understand the left side of this more so I beg for more information on your reasoning's but If I may I'm going to make the right case about this.

Nature is needed of course it provides us everything we need to survive HOWEVER there is a limit to how much we are willing to sacrifice to achieve this. Hurting the economy,peoples life styles and even lives in gen doesn't seem like a worthy trade when talking about helping the earth in such a small degree.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hey Frigid....................sorry, but I don't really think that there is a serious decline in the bug population right now.

Why do I say this? Because I left home last Sunday from Amarillo TX to go see the eclipse in Alliance NE, and then we swung by Greeley CO to visit relatives on the way home.

Guess what? Each time we stopped for gas, and a time or two in between, we had to clean all the dead bugs off of the windshield in order to be able to see.

But, there have also been other times that I've driven through the same areas and haven't seen very many bugs, but that was because the area was in a drought and there wasn't much rain or moisture for the plants and the bugs.

I think that the amount of rainfall that year has more to do with the bug population than anything else.

 

[Old Rocks]

how far are you willing to go to protect nature that provides us the things we need. That seems to be the debate that right vs left seem to have correct?
I hope to understand the left side of this more so I beg for more information on your reasoning's but If I may I'm going to make the right case about this.

Nature is needed of course it provides us everything we need to survive HOWEVER there is a limit to how much we are willing to sacrifice to achieve this. Hurting the economy,peoples life styles and even lives in gen doesn't seem like a worthy trade when talking about helping the earth in such a small degree.

Lordy, lordy. We are not talking about helping the earth. We are talking about not destroying the very foundation that our agriculture and life depends on. Over fishing the ocean will result in a time when the fishing ships will return home empty. Poisoning the ocean with plastic and chemicals will make that time arrive sooner. Destruction of the most productive areas of the oceans, the great coral reefs by pollution and the rapid warming of the oceans, will also bring that time on sooner. A rapid change in climate will very negatively affect agriculture. We have seen very rapid climate changes in the geological record, and all involved periods of extinction.

Protecting what we presently have in nature may cost us a small amount at present, but will prevent very costly damage in our children's time.

 

[gipper]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Good Lord that's dumb.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hey Frigid....................sorry, but I don't really think that there is a serious decline in the bug population right now.

Why do I say this? Because I left home last Sunday from Amarillo TX to go see the eclipse in Alliance NE, and then we swung by Greeley CO to visit relatives on the way home.

Guess what? Each time we stopped for gas, and a time or two in between, we had to clean all the dead bugs off of the windshield in order to be able to see.

But, there have also been other times that I've driven through the same areas and haven't seen very many bugs, but that was because the area was in a drought and there wasn't much rain or moisture for the plants and the bugs.

I think that the amount of rainfall that year has more to do with the bug population than anything else.

While there are local variations, I would have to disagree with you, Sailor. I have seen many insects, common in my childhood, disappear. Noctilunid moths in Eastern Oregon is just one example. Another is wild bees. Very few compared to what I saw as a child. Of course, that was in the late '40's and early 50's.

 

[Old Rocks]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Hmmm. The evidence says otherwise.

Here's what it looked like after Glastonbury, populated by "environmentally conscious" concert goers.

Glastonbury 2011: Fans head home amid sea of rubbish | Daily Mail Online



And here is what it looks like after a rightwinger rally.

Notice the difference?




Good Sense: Compare Garbage After Tea Party Vs. Obama Inauguration

Youth versus age. The same people that left that God awful mess will, 30 years from now, leave something that looks like the lower picture. Something about growing up. I suppose that you never left a mess in your youth, Mr. Westwall?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hey Frigid....................sorry, but I don't really think that there is a serious decline in the bug population right now.

Why do I say this? Because I left home last Sunday from Amarillo TX to go see the eclipse in Alliance NE, and then we swung by Greeley CO to visit relatives on the way home.

Guess what? Each time we stopped for gas, and a time or two in between, we had to clean all the dead bugs off of the windshield in order to be able to see.

But, there have also been other times that I've driven through the same areas and haven't seen very many bugs, but that was because the area was in a drought and there wasn't much rain or moisture for the plants and the bugs.

I think that the amount of rainfall that year has more to do with the bug population than anything else.

While there are local variations, I would have to disagree with you, Sailor. I have seen many insects, common in my childhood, disappear. Noctilunid moths in Eastern Oregon is just one example. Another is wild bees. Very few compared to what I saw as a child. Of course, that was in the late '40's and early 50's.

Maybe. I remember just a few years back and my backyard was full of dragonflies. Now? There are still one or two around, but they seem to have declined in numbers.

However.................wasn't joking about my trip. When we parked at my cousin's house, there were yellowjackets buzzing around the vehicle to eat all the dead bugs.

 

[gipper]

how far are you willing to go to protect nature that provides us the things we need. That seems to be the debate that right vs left seem to have correct?
I hope to understand the left side of this more so I beg for more information on your reasoning's but If I may I'm going to make the right case about this.

Nature is needed of course it provides us everything we need to survive HOWEVER there is a limit to how much we are willing to sacrifice to achieve this. Hurting the economy,peoples life styles and even lives in gen doesn't seem like a worthy trade when talking about helping the earth in such a small degree.

Lordy, lordy. We are not talking about helping the earth. We are talking about not destroying the very foundation that our agriculture and life depends on. Over fishing the ocean will result in a time when the fishing ships will return home empty. Poisoning the ocean with plastic and chemicals will make that time arrive sooner. Destruction of the most productive areas of the oceans, the great coral reefs by pollution and the rapid warming of the oceans, will also bring that time on sooner. A rapid change in climate will very negatively affect agriculture. We have seen very rapid climate changes in the geological record, and all involved periods of extinction.

Protecting what we presently have in nature may cost us a small amount at present, but will prevent very costly damage in our children's time.

That too is dumb, but expected.

Old cock did you tell your grandchildren that they will die soon from global warming? You are so thoughtful. Just think, 50 years from now when they think of your dead dumb ass, they will laugh their asses off just like I do today.

 

[frigidweirdo]

"The right seem to like the latter."

So, tell me, Trump isn't implementing such policies, leaving the Paris accord, allowing destruction of National Parks and many more such things? No? Fake news?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Hey Frigid....................sorry, but I don't really think that there is a serious decline in the bug population right now.

Why do I say this? Because I left home last Sunday from Amarillo TX to go see the eclipse in Alliance NE, and then we swung by Greeley CO to visit relatives on the way home.

Guess what? Each time we stopped for gas, and a time or two in between, we had to clean all the dead bugs off of the windshield in order to be able to see.

But, there have also been other times that I've driven through the same areas and haven't seen very many bugs, but that was because the area was in a drought and there wasn't much rain or moisture for the plants and the bugs.

I think that the amount of rainfall that year has more to do with the bug population than anything else.

You don't THINK. Oh, right then, because you think this, over the observations of people going out into the world and testing this stuff, you must be right because you THINK it.

Yes, there are years with more bug and years with less bugs. Guess what, they've taken this into account, over time the line has dropped massively. So, you seeing lots of bugs the other day is like saying 'it's cold here' on a December morning 'there can't be any global warming'.

 

[JokerX27505]

how far are you willing to go to protect nature that provides us the things we need. That seems to be the debate that right vs left seem to have correct?
I hope to understand the left side of this more so I beg for more information on your reasoning's but If I may I'm going to make the right case about this.

Nature is needed of course it provides us everything we need to survive HOWEVER there is a limit to how much we are willing to sacrifice to achieve this. Hurting the economy,peoples life styles and even lives in gen doesn't seem like a worthy trade when talking about helping the earth in such a small degree.

Lordy, lordy. We are not talking about helping the earth. We are talking about not destroying the very foundation that our agriculture and life depends on. Over fishing the ocean will result in a time when the fishing ships will return home empty. Poisoning the ocean with plastic and chemicals will make that time arrive sooner. Destruction of the most productive areas of the oceans, the great coral reefs by pollution and the rapid warming of the oceans, will also bring that time on sooner. A rapid change in climate will very negatively affect agriculture. We have seen very rapid climate changes in the geological record, and all involved periods of extinction.

Protecting what we presently have in nature may cost us a small amount at present, but will prevent very costly damage in our children's time.

A small amount? You must recognize that it is not a small amount!
Making our resources more scarce is not a small sacrifice its massive it stops the poor from rising it stops the progress in fights against world poverty world hunger and so much more causing a scarcity in vital resources cost human lives!

 

[frigidweirdo]

how far are you willing to go to protect nature that provides us the things we need. That seems to be the debate that right vs left seem to have correct?
I hope to understand the left side of this more so I beg for more information on your reasoning's but If I may I'm going to make the right case about this.

Nature is needed of course it provides us everything we need to survive HOWEVER there is a limit to how much we are willing to sacrifice to achieve this. Hurting the economy,peoples life styles and even lives in gen doesn't seem like a worthy trade when talking about helping the earth in such a small degree.

The question is, how much do we need to live? Do we need to be making so much money while destroying the world? Is it better to just dump the crap in the back yard because it saves us money taking the trash out to a dump, or to pay for someone to do it for us?

 

[frigidweirdo]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Hmmm. The evidence says otherwise.

Here's what it looked like after Glastonbury, populated by "environmentally conscious" concert goers.

Glastonbury 2011: Fans head home amid sea of rubbish | Daily Mail Online



And here is what it looks like after a rightwinger rally.

Notice the difference?




Good Sense: Compare Garbage After Tea Party Vs. Obama Inauguration

Yes, the difference is the first one takes place over a long weekend, people are camping, partying, drinking, the latter takes place over what? A few hours.

I mean, SERIOUSLY.