How we are destroying our world (and don't give a damn)

[Skull Pilot]

"The right seem to like the latter."

So, tell me, Trump isn't implementing such policies, leaving the Paris accord, allowing destruction of National Parks and many more such things? No? Fake news?

So now allowing private management of National Parks is tantamount to "destroying" them?

The Paris accord was a joke anyway

I'm not talking about private management of National Parks, and whether you think Paris was a joke or not, it's less of a joke than Trump.

Trump opens national parks and wildlife refuges for coal mining - Revolution News

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Trump opens national parks and wildlife refuges for coal mining"

That's what I mean.

Excuse me but not ALL federal lands are national parks.

maybe you ought to actually read what you post from even as dubious a source as Revolution News

The point isn't whether it's just federal lands, the point is that national parks and wildlife refuges could become used as coal mines.

Just because I post something, doesn't mean I am putting forward the whole article. I was putting forward the PART THAT I POSTED. It's quite simple really.

Could might maybe

No one is going to be strip mining Yellowstone and i read the article even though I would normally discount such a "news" web site.

 

[theHawk]

"The right seem to like the latter."

So, tell me, Trump isn't implementing such policies, leaving the Paris accord, allowing destruction of National Parks and many more such things? No? Fake news?

We have our own set of very stringent environmental laws, we don't need any agreements with other countries in order to put our own house in order. Our NOx and particle matter emission standards are far more stringent than the EU, for example.

Carry on with the fear mongering...

Perhaps they are. That's not the point is it? Smaller, poorer countries look up to the larger, richer countries to take the lead in such things. Trump doesn't want the US taking the lead in things any more.

It's like this. If I can make steel at $100 per X amount, and you can make it at $200 because there are environmental laws, which country is going to be able to produce the cheapest steel? Well, if all countries are producing steel at $200, then it's fairer, and the environment does better.

But if the US say "fuck this" then other countries will say "fuck this" and they won't follow environmental laws either.

The Paris accords would not even the playing field for such costs. President Trump's tariffs would, funny how you all scream about that not working if we do it ourselves, yet doing the same thing in the Paris accord supposedly would and you have no problem with it.

 

[fncceo]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Neither pic represents a natural landscape

 

[Billy_Bob]

The left and their false equivalencies... circular logic, and down right idiotic thought process... Did you all miss cognitive thinking training?

 

[westwall]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Hmmm. The evidence says otherwise.

Here's what it looked like after Glastonbury, populated by "environmentally conscious" concert goers.

Glastonbury 2011: Fans head home amid sea of rubbish | Daily Mail Online



And here is what it looks like after a rightwinger rally.

Notice the difference?




Good Sense: Compare Garbage After Tea Party Vs. Obama Inauguration

Youth versus age. The same people that left that God awful mess will, 30 years from now, leave something that looks like the lower picture. Something about growing up. I suppose that you never left a mess in your youth, Mr. Westwall?

Wrong. It's a mentality. "Environmentalists" are universally in favor of authoritarian governments so believe that others are responsible to pick up after them. They are like infants, always trashing the room then expecting mom (the government) to clean up after them.

Conservationists, on the other hand, realize that THEY are responsible to clean up the mess that they made. So they do so.

 

[westwall]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Hmmm. The evidence says otherwise.

Here's what it looked like after Glastonbury, populated by "environmentally conscious" concert goers.

Glastonbury 2011: Fans head home amid sea of rubbish | Daily Mail Online



And here is what it looks like after a rightwinger rally.

Notice the difference?




Good Sense: Compare Garbage After Tea Party Vs. Obama Inauguration

Yes, the difference is the first one takes place over a long weekend, people are camping, partying, drinking, the latter takes place over what? A few hours.

I mean, SERIOUSLY.

See the post above.

 

[skookerasbil]

Like Ive been saying...........some people see stuff happening in the world and get hysterical. Thankfully, they are in the distinct minority. For these people, hurricanes are a new phenomenon that should be able to be controlled simply by getting rip of fossil fuels...then all would be well.

Now......think for a moment how silly that thinking is.

 

[ding]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Wasn't this photo taken after an earth day rally?

 

[Skull Pilot]

There are different mentalities in the world.

There are those who like their world to be like this:

And others who like their world to be like this:

The right seem to like the latter.

But here are some of the problems.

‘The windscreen phenomenon’ - why your car is no longer covered in dead insects

"
Wildlife experts have been warning about the alarming decline in insects for decades.

But the fall in numbers of bugs in Britain has now reached such a troubling extent that even motorists are noticing that their windscreens are clear of squashed flies, gnats, moths and wasps."

Mao, the Chinese dude, decided one day (because he could and because he hated intellectuals) that the fucking birds needed to be killed because the birds at the crops. I mean, it's the sort of logic of an idiot who doesn't like intellectuals. So he had his people go out and kill the birds. Then the insects ate the crops because the birds weren't eating the insects. Then Mao realized he was a dick.

Insects are important. There's something called a food chain. Without insects the birds will die, and without birds and insects flowers and crops don't pollinate. That means we don't get food, the cows don't get food, the pigs don't get food, we all die.

We're also destroying the seas. A change in PH levels of the seas is nothing new, however over such a short period of time, with us humans depopulating the seas of fish, we could end up having massive problems.

Things like global warming you might not think are an issue because you can't get your head around millions of years worth of data that isn't complete. But what we're seeing is something entirely different. It's something that's happening and changing, and we can kind of predict what will happen.

"An amateur German group called the Krefeld Entomological Society has been monitoring insect numbers at 100 nature reserves in Western Europe since the 1980s. Although there were the annual fluctuations they discovered that by 2013 numbers began to plummet by nearly 80 per cent."

Okay, 80% less insects in 30 years. That's a lot, we've killed off 4/5ths of the insects. At the rate we're going, we'll have a major problem in the next 30 years.

"Since 2006, beekeepers in Britain have lost about a third of their managed bee colonies each year largely due to the loss of flower-rich grassland which has declined by 97 per cent from the 1930s, and the increased use of insecticides on crops."

Bees are declining massively. 97% is a massive disaster already.

"The most recent RSPB State of Nature report, which brings together findings from 50 organisations, suggests there has been a 59 per cent decline in insects in the UK since 1970."

That's 60% in 40 years, even that is a disaster, another 40 years and how many insects do you have? Not many.

Wasn't this photo taken after an earth day rally?

For all we know it's the front yard of a Hillary supporter

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

Actually, the left is more like the latter. If you've ever seen images of the aftermath of a leftist rally, the trash left behind is horrendous. Now compare that to a rally by the T.E.A. party. Go ahead, go look it up.

If you cannot get that right, why would I or anyone believe anything else you have to say on the matter?

The latter looks like Detroit or other ghettofied areas.

 

[skookerasbil]

how far are you willing to go to protect nature that provides us the things we need. That seems to be the debate that right vs left seem to have correct?
I hope to understand the left side of this more so I beg for more information on your reasoning's but If I may I'm going to make the right case about this.

Nature is needed of course it provides us everything we need to survive HOWEVER there is a limit to how much we are willing to sacrifice to achieve this. Hurting the economy,peoples life styles and even lives in gen doesn't seem like a worthy trade when talking about helping the earth in such a small degree.

Lordy, lordy. We are not talking about helping the earth. We are talking about not destroying the very foundation that our agriculture and life depends on. Over fishing the ocean will result in a time when the fishing ships will return home empty. Poisoning the ocean with plastic and chemicals will make that time arrive sooner. Destruction of the most productive areas of the oceans, the great coral reefs by pollution and the rapid warming of the oceans, will also bring that time on sooner. A rapid change in climate will very negatively affect agriculture. We have seen very rapid climate changes in the geological record, and all involved periods of extinction.

Protecting what we presently have in nature may cost us a small amount at present, but will prevent very costly damage in our children's time.

A small amount? You must recognize that it is not a small amount!
Making our resources more scarce is not a small sacrifice its massive it stops the poor from rising it stops the progress in fights against world poverty world hunger and so much more causing a scarcity in vital resources cost human lives!

Now what are we talking about here? Really, does cheaper electricity rob the poor? Because both solar and wind now produce cheaper electricity than does fossil fuels. Cheaper by the kilowatt produced. Creating packaging that is either recyclable or biodegradable may be slightly more costly at first, but is far less costly than filling the land fills and destroying life in the oceans. Finding better ways to farm so that we are not creating dead zones in the oceans might cost a bit more for the crops, but then the Gulf is one of the richest life zones in the oceans, and killing it will be far more expensive for this nation than the cost of protecting it.

I think that you need to delineate what you think the costs are for protecting nature. Thus far, all I see you doing is repeating the meme that protecting our environment is just too expensive. It is too far to walk to the bathroom, so just shit on the kitchen floor, seems to be your argument.

Tell that to the people in Germany who have gone all in on wind power yet have some of the highest electricity prices in Europe

To the true believers, costs don't matter. Thankfully, to a vast majority, they do. Germany is back to coal big time because the people spoke........their electric bills were making their heads explode.

 

[Billy_Bob]