CDZ How to go on from here.

[there4eyeM]

Many people have come the share the thought that a more reasoned and nuanced response would have been better. There is such a tendency in society for "one solution for all" measures that varying the theme is almost impossible.

 

[there4eyeM]

Responsible adolescents who are not yet really in the work force, but are at the same time virus free, would be ideal child care and teaching recruits.

 

[HenryBHough]

Enough humans would survive any plague to repopulate the planet in the fullness of time. That is, by letting it run its natural course.

THIS exercise is but ensuring a huge overpopulation subject to poverty and bent to the will of the power-mad.

Nothing more.

Get used to it.

 

[there4eyeM]

Enough humans would survive any plague to repopulate the planet in the fullness of time. That is, by letting it run its natural course.

THIS exercise is but ensuring a huge overpopulation subject to poverty and bent to the will of the power-mad.

Nothing more.

Get used to it.

Truly, a stressed system leads to crises, and that leads to greater accumulation of power for some. Yet, this is so obvious that wouldn't we think people would learn and then act differently?

 

[petro]

Enough humans would survive any plague to repopulate the planet in the fullness of time. That is, by letting it run its natural course.

THIS exercise is but ensuring a huge overpopulation subject to poverty and bent to the will of the power-mad.

Nothing more.

Get used to it.

Truly, a stressed system leads to crises, and that leads to greater accumulation of power for some. Yet, this is so obvious that wouldn't we think people would learn and then act differently?

Being that half the population doesn't bother with voting or politics, and are relatively comfortable with any status quo, they lack the energy or ambition to change or prevent anything. Until a boiling or breaking point, most will remain detached and disinterested. Seems to be a pattern with human short attention spans throughout history.
After several generations we seem to repeat history rather than learn from it.

 

[OldLady]

There seem to be those who are convinced the pandemic is real and the measures justified and those who feel it is a plot.

Would it surprise you to know that I am a little of both?

The pandemic is indeed real, but it can be a plot also. Why? Because nobody ever mentions the survival rate. Ever.

The play on fear is strong.

Look at how that play has devastated our economy.

Quick: how many Americans served in VietNam? You don’t know. Quick: How Many Americans died in VietNam? We all know.

News never reports how many survive.

This isn’t some ploy.

1. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam
2. How many Americans died in Vietnam? 58,202
3. Do simple math.
4. 2,709,918 - 58,202
5. The result will be how many survived.

You don't need news to educate you every step of the way. You could simply try educating yourself for a change.

It was a rhetorical question. We all know how to Google the answers.

 

[OldLady]

Now, if this weren't a plot, why do we have elected officials trying to stand in the way, and in some cases jailing those who are attempting to resume their trade? This crisis enhances their power. Power they would soon rather keep than relinquish.

The "officials" standing in the way of resuming their trade are the Governors. The governors are elected by the people of their state who are not being allowed to resume their trades because of the Virus restrictions. The governors would rather do most anything than shut down millions of jobs in their electorate. So what reason do they have for making a highly unpopular decision that is also emptying the state coffers? Public health and safety. They are all between a rock and a hard place. Neither opening now or remaining closed can be done without intense criticism from one quarter or another.
That's why I don't believe it was a plot. It is a very very very bad situation with no easy solution.

However, this wasn't meant to be another conspiracy theory thread about Evil Officials wallowing in their new found power.

The question in the OP is what will happen moving forward, if indeed this has changed our world.

I think it will advance our reliance on technology. More will be accomplished remotely simply because it is cheaper, more efficient and now we have gotten used to it. This may be great for the environment--less routine business travel, less commuters on the road each day to an office. That doesn't mean that many won't go on as they have. Many businesses need their workers present. But many will find that they don't, at least not all of them.

In a couple of years, the fear of this Virus will have faded from our memory and I believe things will return to "normal" as far as recreational activities, dining out, attending parties, weddings, fairs, enjoying a sunny day at a crowded beach.

What may change in the short term, anyway, that is much less rosy is the underlying economic picture. I fear a Depression. That may change how we live more than any of the factors above.

 

[sartre play]

This is a medical emergency, not a political war.

 

[candycorn]

There seem to be those who are convinced the pandemic is real and the measures justified and those who feel it is a plot.

Would it surprise you to know that I am a little of both?

The pandemic is indeed real, but it can be a plot also. Why? Because nobody ever mentions the survival rate. Ever.

The play on fear is strong.

Look at how that play has devastated our economy.

Quick: how many Americans served in VietNam? You don’t know. Quick: How Many Americans died in VietNam? We all know.

News never reports how many survive.

This isn’t some ploy.

1. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam
2. How many Americans died in Vietnam? 58,202
3. Do simple math.
4. 2,709,918 - 58,202
5. The result will be how many survived.

You don't need news to educate you every step of the way. You could simply try educating yourself for a change.

It was a rhetorical question. We all know how to Google the answers.

He’s a lonely person seeking attention

 

[there4eyeM]

Now, if this weren't a plot, why do we have elected officials trying to stand in the way, and in some cases jailing those who are attempting to resume their trade? This crisis enhances their power. Power they would soon rather keep than relinquish.

The "officials" standing in the way of resuming their trade are the Governors. The governors are elected by the people of their state who are not being allowed to resume their trades because of the Virus restrictions. The governors would rather do most anything than shut down millions of jobs in their electorate. So what reason do they have for making a highly unpopular decision that is also emptying the state coffers? Public health and safety. They are all between a rock and a hard place. Neither opening now or remaining closed can be done without intense criticism from one quarter or another.
That's why I don't believe it was a plot. It is a very very very bad situation with no easy solution.

However, this wasn't meant to be another conspiracy theory thread about Evil Officials wallowing in their new found power.

The question in the OP is what will happen moving forward, if indeed this has changed our world.

I think it will advance our reliance on technology. More will be accomplished remotely simply because it is cheaper, more efficient and now we have gotten used to it. This may be great for the environment--less routine business travel, less commuters on the road each day to an office. That doesn't mean that many won't go on as they have. Many businesses need their workers present. But many will find that they don't, at least not all of them.

In a couple of years, the fear of this Virus will have faded from our memory and I believe things will return to "normal" as far as recreational activities, dining out, attending parties, weddings, fairs, enjoying a sunny day at a crowded beach.

What may change in the short term, anyway, that is much less rosy is the underlying economic picture. I fear a Depression. That may change how we live more than any of the factors above.

Deep modifications of our concepts of economics is both desirable and necessary. If the 'old system' well and truly breaks itself, we will be faced with the fact that everything needed for life is still there and it only requires our continuing to work together for all to go well.

 

[there4eyeM]

Enough humans would survive any plague to repopulate the planet in the fullness of time. That is, by letting it run its natural course.

THIS exercise is but ensuring a huge overpopulation subject to poverty and bent to the will of the power-mad.

Nothing more.

Get used to it.

Truly, a stressed system leads to crises, and that leads to greater accumulation of power for some. Yet, this is so obvious that wouldn't we think people would learn and then act differently?

Being that half the population doesn't bother with voting or politics, and are relatively comfortable with any status quo, they lack the energy or ambition to change or prevent anything. Until a boiling or breaking point, most will remain detached and disinterested. Seems to be a pattern with human short attention spans throughout history.
After several generations we seem to repeat history rather than learn from it.

That voting figure is interesting. In a democratic republic, when people don't exercise their mandate, they are either voting for the status quo or they are voting that they don't believe an alternative is being offered. Considering that less than 60% of the electorate is deciding for us all, it is a wonder that some political alternatives to the duopoly have not emerged.

 

[HenryBHough]

This is a medical emergency, not a political war.

It was.

At first.

For about ten minutes.

Then America's Little Hitlers suddenly woke up and smelled the power.

 

[there4eyeM]

Now that it has been a while, we get a better look at what may be coming.
It isn't pretty.
Partisanship and division are only increasing.
Reason and independent thought are now as scant as toilet paper was just a short time ago.
One is either a "stay home snowflake" or a "grab your gun and demonstrate snowflake".
Any other voices are either unheard or dumped into one of the previous categories by those who "dislike" a comment.
Anyone who feared that "normal" would not return can breathe more easily. Normal binary idiocy is alive and well; it didn't even catch cold.

 

[LoneLaugher]

What does rejoicing in those who survive have to do with the fact that when we report on the war, we typically refer to the number killed, not the number who survived.

Because we are more focused on the detriments and not the benefits.

Human nature.

We are intelligent enough as a species to overcome our nature.

Debatable (sez the cynical me)

Coyote, you are a saint.

 

[there4eyeM]

What does rejoicing in those who survive have to do with the fact that when we report on the war, we typically refer to the number killed, not the number who survived.

Because we are more focused on the detriments and not the benefits.

Human nature.

We are intelligent enough as a species to overcome our nature.

Theoretically, perhaps. Building the bomb is a pretty strong argument against, though. Most confrontations and international politics since then are also powerful counter points.

 

[gipper]

What does rejoicing in those who survive have to do with the fact that when we report on the war, we typically refer to the number killed, not the number who survived.

Because we are more focused on the detriments and not the benefits.

Human nature.

We are intelligent enough as a species to overcome our nature.

No we’re not.

 

[wamose]

What's going to happen is Blue states and cities will stay closed and cause a greater problem than the virus and Red states will open up and give themselves a chance to live. Blue states want to control everything with their stupid government programs but when they realize they can't afford them they will come soliciting the red states to bail them out. Blue states want to take your freedom away and make you dependent on them. Democrats are more like Communist China than the US. Wanna be poor, pissed off and dependent on government, vote Democrat. Take the Red pill before it's too late.

 

[there4eyeM]

Anyone who thinks there's a difference between the 'red' and the 'blue' has taken the purple pill.
The duopoly rules. We have the best government money can buy, and it is so clear that one wonders why even the American electorate can't see it.

 

[sparky]

We need new approaches and ideas and all the screeching about 'capitalism' and 'socialism' drowns out reason.

everyone's bent on defining them....

We have an immune system that when functioning properly defeats viruses.

indeed so, and our pharmacabal's profits would definitely be harmed with preventative measures ,like chewin tree bark.....

Partisanship and division are only increasing.

i have to believe that's a social construct

~S~

 

[Dalia]

There seem to be those who are convinced the pandemic is real and the measures justified and those who feel it is a plot. Either way, we have gone through this period and things are not as they were.
Economically, politically, socially, technologically, life from now on will have been modified.
It is fruitless to waste time on criticism of much of this. What we need to do is take stock of what changes are in place and how to maximize effort for better existence.
New meaning(s) for the word "flexibility" will be necessary for economics to deal with the situation.
Elected officials will have much to answer for and representative government may improve from resultant voter scrutiny.
Social consciousness and manners seem to have risen and that would be good to foster.
Technology plays into so much here that almost endless categories could be identified. Recognition of one's state of health, for example, can hardly be classified as invasion of privacy; all our instincts work to perceive the nature of anyone we exchange with, so such 'recognition' is constantly present and at work. That our perceptions be enhanced through electronic means is only a natural evolution.
There is enormous room here for just about any speculations. What will be interesting to see is which are the most on people's minds.

There is a bit of both in my opinion, at the beginning of the pandemic from China it was a simple flu (the Chinese have hidden the truth) from the start while building two hospitals in the space of a few days and following that everyone more or less followed the "instructions" of the Chinese and also of WHO who are more than bad about this management and with the time that passed and that people were dying little by little the leaders changed their speech but the populists did not follow it because do not forget that the WHO minimized the coronavirus and now it has become frankly political because the democrats of the whole world jumped at the opportunity to blame the populists and especially to go against Trump all the blows allowed towards him and nobody here can say the opposite