CDZ How to go on from here.

[Deleted member 73486]

The survival rate is completely unknown at this point, since we don't know how many people are infected. All we have are gross projections, which don't carry too much weight from an epidemiological perspective!

 

[there4eyeM]

i guess we'll be missing 'normal' for a while then....?
~S~

Not missing; living a new one.

 

[candycorn]

There seem to be those who are convinced the pandemic is real and the measures justified and those who feel it is a plot.

Would it surprise you to know that I am a little of both?

The pandemic is indeed real, but it can be a plot also. Why? Because nobody ever mentions the survival rate. Ever.

The play on fear is strong.

Look at how that play has devastated our economy.

Quick: how many Americans served in VietNam? You don’t know. Quick: How Many Americans died in VietNam? We all know.

News never reports how many survive.

This isn’t some ploy.

1. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam
2. How many Americans died in Vietnam? 58,202
3. Do simple math.
4. 2,709,918 - 58,202
5. The result will be how many survived.

You don't need news to educate you every step of the way. You could simply try educating yourself for a change.

The information that is reported is the point. Perhaps you can stay on topic for a change.

 

[Syriusly]

There seem to be those who are convinced the pandemic is real and the measures justified and those who feel it is a plot. Either way, we have gone through this period and things are not as they were.
Economically, politically, socially, technologically, life from now on will have been modified.
It is fruitless to waste time on criticism of much of this. What we need to do is take stock of what changes are in place and how to maximize effort for better existence.
New meaning(s) for the word "flexibility" will be necessary for economics to deal with the situation.
Elected officials will have much to answer for and representative government may improve from resultant voter scrutiny.
Social consciousness and manners seem to have risen and that would be good to foster.
Technology plays into so much here that almost endless categories could be identified. Recognition of one's state of health, for example, can hardly be classified as invasion of privacy; all our instincts work to perceive the nature of anyone we exchange with, so such 'recognition' is constantly present and at work. That our perceptions be enhanced through electronic means is only a natural evolution.
There is enormous room here for just about any speculations. What will be interesting to see is which are the most on people's minds.

Who isn't convinced the pandemic is real?
I agree that somethings have probably changed for good.
I am a bit baffled by how you on the one hand say its fruitless to waste time on criticism- and say on the other than that 'elected officials will have much to answer for.

If we don't spend the time criticizing the decisions made by elected officials- from Trump on down- how will elected officials have to answer for the decisions they made- or didn't make? For the leadership they showed- or didn't show?

So on the one hand I think that we certainly should be critical of all of our leaders- the President, governors, mayors- and assess what they did well, and what they didn't do well.
But we should also learn as a country from how we were not prepared- and take the time- and invest the money to be prepared for the next pandemic. We spend billions for our military defenese- yet pandemics are a much more likely real world event that will kill Americans.

 

[there4eyeM]

There seem to be those who are convinced the pandemic is real and the measures justified and those who feel it is a plot. Either way, we have gone through this period and things are not as they were.
Economically, politically, socially, technologically, life from now on will have been modified.
It is fruitless to waste time on criticism of much of this. What we need to do is take stock of what changes are in place and how to maximize effort for better existence.
New meaning(s) for the word "flexibility" will be necessary for economics to deal with the situation.
Elected officials will have much to answer for and representative government may improve from resultant voter scrutiny.
Social consciousness and manners seem to have risen and that would be good to foster.
Technology plays into so much here that almost endless categories could be identified. Recognition of one's state of health, for example, can hardly be classified as invasion of privacy; all our instincts work to perceive the nature of anyone we exchange with, so such 'recognition' is constantly present and at work. That our perceptions be enhanced through electronic means is only a natural evolution.
There is enormous room here for just about any speculations. What will be interesting to see is which are the most on people's minds.

Who isn't convinced the pandemic is real?
I agree that somethings have probably changed for good.
I am a bit baffled by how you on the one hand say its fruitless to waste time on criticism- and say on the other than that 'elected officials will have much to answer for.

If we don't spend the time criticizing the decisions made by elected officials- from Trump on down- how will elected officials have to answer for the decisions they made- or didn't make? For the leadership they showed- or didn't show?

So on the one hand I think that we certainly should be critical of all of our leaders- the President, governors, mayors- and assess what they did well, and what they didn't do well.
But we should also learn as a country from how we were not prepared- and take the time- and invest the money to be prepared for the next pandemic. We spend billions for our military defenese- yet pandemics are a much more likely real world event that will kill Americans.

The point was just that once identified, the politicians who performed poorly will be replaced. Certainly, much critical thinking should and will take place. We need to remember in November while carrying on now.

 

[Syriusly]

There seem to be those who are convinced the pandemic is real and the measures justified and those who feel it is a plot. Either way, we have gone through this period and things are not as they were.
Economically, politically, socially, technologically, life from now on will have been modified.
It is fruitless to waste time on criticism of much of this. What we need to do is take stock of what changes are in place and how to maximize effort for better existence.
New meaning(s) for the word "flexibility" will be necessary for economics to deal with the situation.
Elected officials will have much to answer for and representative government may improve from resultant voter scrutiny.
Social consciousness and manners seem to have risen and that would be good to foster.
Technology plays into so much here that almost endless categories could be identified. Recognition of one's state of health, for example, can hardly be classified as invasion of privacy; all our instincts work to perceive the nature of anyone we exchange with, so such 'recognition' is constantly present and at work. That our perceptions be enhanced through electronic means is only a natural evolution.
There is enormous room here for just about any speculations. What will be interesting to see is which are the most on people's minds.

Who isn't convinced the pandemic is real?
I agree that somethings have probably changed for good.
I am a bit baffled by how you on the one hand say its fruitless to waste time on criticism- and say on the other than that 'elected officials will have much to answer for.

If we don't spend the time criticizing the decisions made by elected officials- from Trump on down- how will elected officials have to answer for the decisions they made- or didn't make? For the leadership they showed- or didn't show?

So on the one hand I think that we certainly should be critical of all of our leaders- the President, governors, mayors- and assess what they did well, and what they didn't do well.
But we should also learn as a country from how we were not prepared- and take the time- and invest the money to be prepared for the next pandemic. We spend billions for our military defenese- yet pandemics are a much more likely real world event that will kill Americans.

The point was just that once identified, the politicians who performed poorly will be replaced. Certainly, much critical thinking should and will take place. We need to remember in November while carrying on now.

I think that it is far from a given that politicians who performed poorly will be replaced. The propaganda machines and the assault on truth will work overtime to make the politicians who screwed up seems like courageous heroes. But I am hopeful that the Americans will remember who was a good leader and who was not come the election.

And the best way to remind voters is to be critical of our leaders now.

 

[sparky]

i guess we'll be missing 'normal' for a while then....?
~S~

Not missing; living a new one.

was afraid you'd say that

~S~

 

[initforme]

There will be a new normal. That's the way it goes.

 

[HenryBHough]

The new norm will settle in gradually.

So gradually that many will see no difference.

The poor will get poorer but not a whole lot. They'll barely notice.

The elites will retain the power they usurped but not as much as they'd like.

Those who miss a year of learning (while being told they're actual "graduates") will believe but not comprehend why they're being passed over for the few jobs that will be available.

They'll be angry but will not understand why.

This, in time, will give rise to new political leadership in the mold of Bernie Sanders.

Gradually.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

Everyone should do shrooms.

There is no problem shrooms cannot solve.

 

[there4eyeM]

It would be great if political discussion could graduate from immediate binary verbiage. We need new approaches and ideas and all the screeching about 'capitalism' and 'socialism' drowns out reason.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Spicy time approaches

Don't say we didn't warn yas the 20s were gonna roar

 

[there4eyeM]

Better politics through more sophisticated and informed voters.

 

[gipper]

What’s missed in the entire discourse on covid, is humans have lived with and overcome viruses for eternity. We have an immune system that when functioning properly defeats viruses.

What is needed is an honest and informed discussion on how to stay healthy. Not stay home and stay safe. Viruses are around humans at all times. Are we all to become hermits to avoid exposure?

 

[there4eyeM]

There could well be a reason to hunker down a while to give time for a thorough response, but hiding forever is definitely not an option.

 

[gipper]

There could well be a reason to hunker down a while to give time for a thorough response, but hiding forever is definitely not an option.

The vast majority of Americans have effective immune systems. These people may or may not get sick from the virus, but all recover from it’s effects

If this is accurate, they shut down the country to protect a minority of the population that has a weakened immune system. I can understand telling these people to stay home and stay safe. I can't understand telling all of us to do this.

 

[petro]

There could well be a reason to hunker down a while to give time for a thorough response, but hiding forever is definitely not an option.

The vast majority of Americans have effective immune systems. These people may or may not get sick from the virus, but all recover from it’s effects

If this is accurate, they shut down the country to protect a minority of the population that has a weakened immune system. I can understand telling these people to stay home and stay safe. I can't understand telling all of us to do this.

I have been working and out and about every day. Being essential and such. Depending on my awesome immune system. Many of us brave souls gladly volunteering our lives and health to continue as normal assuring herd immunity so the rest don't have to.
I have no more fear of this virus than I would risking my life daily during rush hour where idiots turn the roads into NASCAR. Life IS risk.

 

[NotYourBody]

Some people will go back out into the world and some will continue to stay home. Everyone wins in the end. I bet 50 percent just go back, 30 percent follow strict guidelines longer and the other 20 do a combo. This will be a good thing.

I think no one wins in the end unless and until our economy becomes vibrant and prosperous once again and sooner than later. We are hanging from a cliff right now.

As far as quality customer service representatives go in business it has been my great displeasure talking to them as they work from home as I am forced to overhear dogs barking as well as children in the background. And often these reps, formerly from a physical office, sound unenergetic and just plain tired although several others for which English is their second language still sound professional, many still difficult to understand even though pressing an ear to the phone helps a little. I have occasionally complimented them on their impressive English skills then asked them to speak a little more slowly so I don't have to consistently ask them to "please repeat that last sentence, or the word", whichever the case.

This has been my experience. I think quality customer service per telephone will be improved when and if these employees go back to a physical place of work, meanwhile I try to be patient and understanding and just downright grateful I can reach live information at all. I'm sure many of these taxpayers are struggling to work from home, too. There would be a loss of energy, social integration, and momentum for starters.

Every day for most of my life, I remind myself of the wisdom contained in this song title: These are the good old days.

Most people who work a full-time job from home arrange for childcare, just like everyone else.

It's not possible to work a full-time job AND take care of young children at the same time. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Schools are not even in session.

 

[gipper]

There could well be a reason to hunker down a while to give time for a thorough response, but hiding forever is definitely not an option.

The vast majority of Americans have effective immune systems. These people may or may not get sick from the virus, but all recover from it’s effects

If this is accurate, they shut down the country to protect a minority of the population that has a weakened immune system. I can understand telling these people to stay home and stay safe. I can't understand telling all of us to do this.

I have been working and out and about every day. Being essential and such. Depending on my awesome immune system. Many of us brave souls gladly volunteering our lives and health to continue as normal assuring herd immunity so the rest don't have to.
I have no more fear of this virus than I would risking my life daily during rush hour where idiots turn the roads into NASCAR. Life IS risk.

Yes. I have several family members who are considered essential, including one who works in the ER of a large hospital. He wasn’t even given a mask at first, but has yet to get sick. He has crossed paths with many patients with flu like symptoms. He is relatively healthy and in his early fifties.

 

[NotYourBody]

Some people will go back out into the world and some will continue to stay home. Everyone wins in the end. I bet 50 percent just go back, 30 percent follow strict guidelines longer and the other 20 do a combo. This will be a good thing.

I think no one wins in the end unless and until our economy becomes vibrant and prosperous once again and sooner than later. We are hanging from a cliff right now.

As far as quality customer service representatives go in business it has been my great displeasure talking to them as they work from home as I am forced to overhear dogs barking as well as children in the background. And often these reps, formerly from a physical office, sound unenergetic and just plain tired although several others for which English is their second language still sound professional, many still difficult to understand even though pressing an ear to the phone helps a little. I have occasionally complimented them on their impressive English skills then asked them to speak a little more slowly so I don't have to consistently ask them to "please repeat that last sentence, or the word", whichever the case.

This has been my experience. I think quality customer service per telephone will be improved when and if these employees go back to a physical place of work, meanwhile I try to be patient and understanding and just downright grateful I can reach live information at all. I'm sure many of these taxpayers are struggling to work from home, too. There would be a loss of energy, social integration, and momentum for starters.

Every day for most of my life, I remind myself of the wisdom contained in this song title: These are the good old days.

I agree. have been working from home and the distractions are many and exhausting. I am not a fan of it for many reasons. My sympathy goes to those who are not only working from home but having to homeschool children as well.

You would not take your children to work with you everyday. It's the same thing with work at home. You have to arrange for childcare. That does not change just because you are working at home.