How To Be Rid Of The Coronavirus.

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.

"Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. "

So you never heard of abortion?
A fetus isn't a person. And even if you wanted to consider it to be one, the worst that it could be viewed as is a mercy killing. After all, who in the fuck needs them. There are plenty of illegals willing to come here and do whatever job they may have done for cheaper. That is what jobs that haven't already been sent to places like China for that purpose.


Vulgarity.

Your attempt to hide the fact that you know your post is a lie.

Provide the etymology....

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary



Where did your research come from, Mr. Kotter’s class?
What would you prefer I say. "Gosh darn needs them?" Stop being such a prude. But feel free to report me to the mods anyway. That is if you haven't already. Because it would be being kind to call them filthy scumbags. With dontazemebro leading the way. Now here's some more reality. A fetus isn't a person. It is a fetus. That it might eventually become a person is meaningless. It is what it is. There are some other impressively moronic people out there who would say that a fetus becomes a person at conception. Are you one of them? But I don't really care. Because change the subject all you want, this thread still remains on how to get rid of the coronavirus. Over 225,000 people dying from it so far, and you apparently don't care. Some small number of fetus' gets mercy killed and somehow you care.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.

"Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. "

So you never heard of abortion?
A fetus isn't a person. And even if you wanted to consider it to be one, the worst that it could be viewed as is a mercy killing. After all, who in the fuck needs them. There are plenty of illegals willing to come here and do whatever job they may have done for cheaper. That is what jobs that haven't already been sent to places like China for that purpose.


Vulgarity.

Your attempt to hide the fact that you know your post is a lie.

Provide the etymology....

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary



Where did your research come from, Mr. Kotter’s class?
What would you prefer I say. "Gosh darn needs them?" Stop being such a prude. But feel free to report me to the mods anyway. That is if you haven't already. Because it would be being kind to call them filthy scumbags. With dontazemebro leading the way. Now here's some more reality. A fetus isn't a person. It is a fetus. That it might eventually become a person is meaningless. It is what it is. There are some other impressively moronic people out there who would say that a fetus becomes a person at conception. Are you one of them? But I don't really care. Because change the subject all you want, this thread still remains on how to get rid of the coronavirus. Over 225,000 people dying from it so far, and you apparently don't care. Some small number of fetus' gets mercy killed and somehow you care.

What DNA does that fetus that you demand the right to kill, have?

Human being or some other organism?

What would that fetus become if you Leftists didn't slaughter it?
 

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A serious all out effort to stop the Coronavirus spread in the U.S. was never tried in the key months when it might have been most effective.

If the virus were as deadly as, say, Ebola, such measures as the OP suggests would still be appropriate. As is, the nature of U.S. society makes such measures — both on a U.S. level and internationally — quite impossible.

The full panoply of measures used in South Korea, Taiwan and Mainland China needs to be studied and understood by Americans if we are to prepare ourselves for likely future epidemics. It was not really “total lockdowns” but early effective mass mobilizations. tracking, tracing, testing, alerting, flexible quarantining, that gave these countries success. U.S. society could have adopted many but not all of the methods of Asian countries, but we are simply now too ideologically enamored with our own selfish anti-social political obsessions to deal effectively with catastrophic natural disasters.

Of course, Covid-19 is NOT Ebola, and we will recover, but at an economic cost (and cost in lives) far beyond what China, now safely and securely re-opened, has had to pay.
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.

"Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. "

So you never heard of abortion?
A fetus isn't a person. And even if you wanted to consider it to be one, the worst that it could be viewed as is a mercy killing. After all, who in the fuck needs them. There are plenty of illegals willing to come here and do whatever job they may have done for cheaper. That is what jobs that haven't already been sent to places like China for that purpose.


Vulgarity.

Your attempt to hide the fact that you know your post is a lie.

Provide the etymology....

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary



Where did your research come from, Mr. Kotter’s class?
What would you prefer I say. "Gosh darn needs them?" Stop being such a prude. But feel free to report me to the mods anyway. That is if you haven't already. Because it would be being kind to call them filthy scumbags. With dontazemebro leading the way. Now here's some more reality. A fetus isn't a person. It is a fetus. That it might eventually become a person is meaningless. It is what it is. There are some other impressively moronic people out there who would say that a fetus becomes a person at conception. Are you one of them? But I don't really care. Because change the subject all you want, this thread still remains on how to get rid of the coronavirus. Over 225,000 people dying from it so far, and you apparently don't care. Some small number of fetus' gets mercy killed and somehow you care.

What DNA does that fetus that you demand the right to kill, have?

Human being or some other organism?

What would that fetus become if you Leftists didn't slaughter it?
The DNA doesn't matter. It is still a fetus. And what would it become if it wasn't euthanized? Well somebody wrote a book called "Freaknomics." One of the things they brought up was that after the Supreme Court made abortions legal, when enough time passed that the instead born fetus would reach adulthood, there was a drop in crime. So being forced to live a shit life, many would have become criminals. Also, I wonder if you are for RU-486.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.

"Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. "

So you never heard of abortion?
A fetus isn't a person. And even if you wanted to consider it to be one, the worst that it could be viewed as is a mercy killing. After all, who in the fuck needs them. There are plenty of illegals willing to come here and do whatever job they may have done for cheaper. That is what jobs that haven't already been sent to places like China for that purpose.


Vulgarity.

Your attempt to hide the fact that you know your post is a lie.

Provide the etymology....

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary



Where did your research come from, Mr. Kotter’s class?
What would you prefer I say. "Gosh darn needs them?" Stop being such a prude. But feel free to report me to the mods anyway. That is if you haven't already. Because it would be being kind to call them filthy scumbags. With dontazemebro leading the way. Now here's some more reality. A fetus isn't a person. It is a fetus. That it might eventually become a person is meaningless. It is what it is. There are some other impressively moronic people out there who would say that a fetus becomes a person at conception. Are you one of them? But I don't really care. Because change the subject all you want, this thread still remains on how to get rid of the coronavirus. Over 225,000 people dying from it so far, and you apparently don't care. Some small number of fetus' gets mercy killed and somehow you care.

What DNA does that fetus that you demand the right to kill, have?

Human being or some other organism?

What would that fetus become if you Leftists didn't slaughter it?
The DNA doesn't matter. It is still a fetus. And what would it become if it wasn't euthanized? Well somebody wrote a book called "Freaknomics." One of the things they brought up was that after the Supreme Court made abortions legal, when enough time passed that the instead born fetus would reach adulthood, there was a drop in crime. So being forced to live a shit life, many would have become criminals. Also, I wonder if you are for RU-486.

"The DNA doesn't matter. "

I am surprised that you don’t feel conspicuous, marching around in that brown shirt and the helmet with the spike on top….


Now....do you prefer 'good day,' or would you rather your traditional 'Sieg Heil'?
 
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A serious all out effort to stop the Coronavirus spread in the U.S. was never tried in the key months when it might have been most effective.

If the virus were as deadly as, say, Ebola, such measures as the OP suggests would still be appropriate. As is, the nature of U.S. society makes such measures — both on a U.S. level and internationally — quite impossible.

The full panoply of measures used in South Korea, Taiwan and Mainland China needs to be studied and understood by Americans if we are to prepare ourselves for likely future epidemics. It was not really “total lockdowns” but early effective mass mobilizations. tracking, tracing, testing, alerting, flexible quarantining, that gave these countries success. U.S. society could have adopted many but not all of the methods of Asian countries, but we are simply now too ideologically enamored with our own selfish anti-social political obsessions to deal effectively with catastrophic natural disasters.

Of course, Covid-19 is NOT Ebola, and we will recover, but at an economic cost (and cost in lives) far beyond what China, now safely and securely re-opened, has had to pay.
Back in the early days of the coronavirus, such a proposal as I suggested would have been more difficult. Because the disease was new. But we now know how deadly it is. And will continue to be. What I speak of is nothing. Just prepare for 3 weeks of a real quarantine and then do it. And doing so would cost far less than what the coronavirus has already cost us. I say to hell with all the deaths, economic hardship, children out of school, rolling lock down and mask wearing. It was easy enough to get Americans behind going to war against sand negroes after 9-11. And even invade a country we shouldn't have. Iraq. We should be able to get them behind dealing with a far worse enemy. Coronavirus. And after just 3 weeks of a real shutdown, it would be defeated.

You also bring up ebola. The coronavirus is far worse than ebola. Sure, it may be more deadly. But if it started spreading here and we had taken real steps to quarantine against it, how many people would have died. Maybe around 5000? Well the coronavirus has already killed over 220,000 more people than that. With no end in sight. Even a vaccine will be next to useless.
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.

"Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. "

So you never heard of abortion?
A fetus isn't a person. And even if you wanted to consider it to be one, the worst that it could be viewed as is a mercy killing. After all, who in the fuck needs them. There are plenty of illegals willing to come here and do whatever job they may have done for cheaper. That is what jobs that haven't already been sent to places like China for that purpose.


Vulgarity.

Your attempt to hide the fact that you know your post is a lie.

Provide the etymology....

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary



Where did your research come from, Mr. Kotter’s class?
What would you prefer I say. "Gosh darn needs them?" Stop being such a prude. But feel free to report me to the mods anyway. That is if you haven't already. Because it would be being kind to call them filthy scumbags. With dontazemebro leading the way. Now here's some more reality. A fetus isn't a person. It is a fetus. That it might eventually become a person is meaningless. It is what it is. There are some other impressively moronic people out there who would say that a fetus becomes a person at conception. Are you one of them? But I don't really care. Because change the subject all you want, this thread still remains on how to get rid of the coronavirus. Over 225,000 people dying from it so far, and you apparently don't care. Some small number of fetus' gets mercy killed and somehow you care.

What DNA does that fetus that you demand the right to kill, have?

Human being or some other organism?

What would that fetus become if you Leftists didn't slaughter it?
The DNA doesn't matter. It is still a fetus. And what would it become if it wasn't euthanized? Well somebody wrote a book called "Freaknomics." One of the things they brought up was that after the Supreme Court made abortions legal, when enough time passed that the instead born fetus would reach adulthood, there was a drop in crime. So being forced to live a shit life, many would have become criminals. Also, I wonder if you are for RU-486.

"The DNA doesn't matter. "

I am surprised that you don’t feel conspicuous, marching around in that brown shirt and the helmet with the spike on top….


Now....do you prefer 'good day,' or would you rather your traditional 'Sieg Heil'?
What. Out of any real ability to debate already? Sieg Heil!
 

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RZA is a negro.
RZA is a negro. A colored guy. No escaping that...
RZA is a negro. A colored guy. No escaping that...
mccain was a hero in vietnam
In 1950, one income could support an entire middle class household.
Trump was his own worst enemy. All he had to say was, "I condemn White Supremecists and QAnon." Done.

He just couldn't bring himself to do it.
But we now know how deadly it is.
Yes it is so deadly it has a 99.5 Survival rate and you have too be tested to know you have it.
 
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RZA is a negro.
RZA is a negro. A colored guy. No escaping that...
RZA is a negro. A colored guy. No escaping that...
mccain was a hero in vietnam
In 1950, one income could support an entire middle class household.
Trump was his own worst enemy. All he had to say was, "I condemn White Supremecists and QAnon." Done.

He just couldn't bring himself to do it.
But we now know how deadly it is.
Yes it is so deadly it has a 99.5 Survival rate and you have too be tested to know you have it.
Even "if" what you say is true, there have already been over 225,000 people who have died from it. And right now it is the leading cause of death in the U.S. And for those who were tested for it and didn't know they had it, for the vast majority, they would soon find out. And it wouldn't be very pleasant. Possibly deadly. They spoke of one woman on the news who had it and recovered from it. But she ended up dying later on because it had screwed up other organs so bad. They also had a teenage girl on the news who had it. It has been months since she recovered and she still hasn't fully recovered from it. Tell me. Do you get paid to spout Trump's bullshit?
 

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Even "if" what you say is true, there have already been over 225,000 people who have died from it. And right now it is the leading cause of death in the U.S. And for those who were tested for it and didn't know they had it, for the vast majority, they would soon find out. And it wouldn't be very pleasant. Possibly deadly. They spoke of one woman on the news who had it and recovered from it. But she ended up dying later on because it had screwed up other organs so bad. They also had a teenage girl on the news who had it. It has been months since she recovered and she still hasn't fully recovered from it. Tell me. Do you get paid to spout Trump's bullshit?
Deaths from the flu, according to some sources, are down up to 95%.

Doesn't take a fuckin' rocket scientist to see that deaths which were once attributable to the flu are now being blamed on Covid.

I believe Covid is real and that it's bad, but it's not killing anywhere near the number of people the left would have you believe...
 

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Even "if" what you say is true, there have already been over 225,000 people who have died from it. And right now it is the leading cause of death in the U.S. And for those who were tested for it and didn't know they had it, for the vast majority, they would soon find out. And it wouldn't be very pleasant. Possibly deadly. They spoke of one woman on the news who had it and recovered from it. But she ended up dying later on because it had screwed up other organs so bad. They also had a teenage girl on the news who had it. It has been months since she recovered and she still hasn't fully recovered from it. Tell me. Do you get paid to spout Trump's bullshit?
Deaths from the flu, according to some sources, are down up to 95%.

Doesn't take a fuckin' rocket scientist to see that deaths which were once attributable to the flu are now being blamed on Covid.

I believe Covid is real and that it's bad, but it's not killing anywhere near the number of people the left would have you believe...
I agree. All this would seem to indicate there are ulterior motives in play, by the ruling class. Why would they do this? Something is in the works and it can’t be good. Could it merely be an effort designed for Trump losing the election? Hopefully it’s only that, because I tend to think the ruling class is extraordinarily evil and capable of unbelievably heinous actions.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
Or we can just stop testing for it. Trump says that's the way to stop all these new cases cropping up. If they are not reported they don't exist apparently.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
Or we can just stop testing for it. Trump says that's the way to stop all these new cases cropping up. If they are not reported they don't exist apparently.

Why should there be any interest in the number of positive tests at all?

The only number of any value is one shows how dangerous the Wuhan is.

And.....it is hardly so.

LATimes:



“Our current best estimates tell us that about 10% of the global population may have been infected by this virus,” Ryan said.



The estimate — which would amount to more than 760 million people ..."












Deaths:

1,042,982



Let me do the math for you: a fatality rate of 0.0013 percent.





The Marxist who leads the World Health Organization, 'Dr. Tedros,' said it would be 3.4% of the infected, dead.



2600 times fewer deadly than expected.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
Or we can just stop testing for it. Trump says that's the way to stop all these new cases cropping up. If they are not reported they don't exist apparently.

Why should there be any interest in the number of positive tests at all?

The only number of any value is one shows how dangerous the Wuhan is.

And.....it is hardly so.

LATimes:



“Our current best estimates tell us that about 10% of the global population may have been infected by this virus,” Ryan said.



The estimate — which would amount to more than 760 million people ..."












Deaths:

1,042,982



Let me do the math for you: a fatality rate of 0.0013 percent.





The Marxist who leads the World Health Organization, 'Dr. Tedros,' said it would be 3.4% of the infected, dead.



2600 times fewer deadly than expected.
Hopefully you or a loved one is not one of them
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
Or we can just stop testing for it. Trump says that's the way to stop all these new cases cropping up. If they are not reported they don't exist apparently.

Why should there be any interest in the number of positive tests at all?

The only number of any value is one shows how dangerous the Wuhan is.

And.....it is hardly so.

LATimes:



“Our current best estimates tell us that about 10% of the global population may have been infected by this virus,” Ryan said.



The estimate — which would amount to more than 760 million people ..."












Deaths:

1,042,982



Let me do the math for you: a fatality rate of 0.0013 percent.





The Marxist who leads the World Health Organization, 'Dr. Tedros,' said it would be 3.4% of the infected, dead.



2600 times fewer deadly than expected.
Hopefully you or a loved one is not one of them


So my numbers are correct?
Again? The number of deaths from the Wuhan is no more than a rounding error.

Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:



"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.



....between 20 and 45, 99.98%



....between 50 and 65, 99.5%



....and over 70, about 95%.



The chance of dying from the Wuhan Red Death is about.....zero.



Sooo ask yourself why the number reported is 'infections,' those positive tests, many of which are false positives.

Move on.
 
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Even "if" what you say is true, there have already been over 225,000 people who have died from it. And right now it is the leading cause of death in the U.S. And for those who were tested for it and didn't know they had it, for the vast majority, they would soon find out. And it wouldn't be very pleasant. Possibly deadly. They spoke of one woman on the news who had it and recovered from it. But she ended up dying later on because it had screwed up other organs so bad. They also had a teenage girl on the news who had it. It has been months since she recovered and she still hasn't fully recovered from it. Tell me. Do you get paid to spout Trump's bullshit?
Deaths from the flu, according to some sources, are down up to 95%.

Doesn't take a fuckin' rocket scientist to see that deaths which were once attributable to the flu are now being blamed on Covid.

I believe Covid is real and that it's bad, but it's not killing anywhere near the number of people the left would have you believe...
According to a fact check from USA Today, Flu deaths are typical, but are turning to be the lowest in a decade. So much for your 95% BS. And as far as the flu goes, let me tell you how things work. When people are wearing masks to protect themselves from the coronavirus, they are also protecting themselves from the flu. Next, it DOES take a fucking idiot to tell doctors that they don't know what their patients are suffering from. Next, at one point they were showing freezer trucks at hospitals in NY where they had to store excess bodies from the coronavirus. Apparently they were democrat freezer trucks and not republican freezer trucks.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
Or we can just stop testing for it. Trump says that's the way to stop all these new cases cropping up. If they are not reported they don't exist apparently.

Why should there be any interest in the number of positive tests at all?

The only number of any value is one shows how dangerous the Wuhan is.

And.....it is hardly so.

LATimes:



“Our current best estimates tell us that about 10% of the global population may have been infected by this virus,” Ryan said.



The estimate — which would amount to more than 760 million people ..."












Deaths:

1,042,982



Let me do the math for you: a fatality rate of 0.0013 percent.





The Marxist who leads the World Health Organization, 'Dr. Tedros,' said it would be 3.4% of the infected, dead.



2600 times fewer deadly than expected.
Hopefully you or a loved one is not one of them


So my numbers are correct?
Again? The number of deaths from the Wuhan is no more than a rounding error.

Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:



"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.



....between 20 and 45, 99.98%



....between 50 and 65, 99.5%



....and over 70, about 95%.



The chance of dying from the Wuhan Red Death is about.....zero.



Sooo ask yourself why the number reported is 'infections,' those positive tests, many of which are false positives.

Move on.
US Daily Deaths
 
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there have already been over 225,000 people
We dont know how many have died from the chinese disease

but its less than the bogus number libs are throwing around
Yeah, right. When somebody dies in a hospital, nobody has any idea that it happened. Get real. Also, I was watching a documentary about the coronavirus some time back about the first outbreak in Italy. Were the doctors speaking about it just "libs?" Also, things had gotten so bad there that the doctors started treating the younger patients and leaving the older patients to die. Because having to make the choice, it was better to save the lives of those who had their lives to live yet than those who had basically already lived their lives. And from what I hear, in places here in the U.S. they are talking about going to that method of triage. So instead of "throwing numbers around," I think somebody needs to throw you around. Preferably under a bus that is moving real fast.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
Or we can just stop testing for it. Trump says that's the way to stop all these new cases cropping up. If they are not reported they don't exist apparently.

Why should there be any interest in the number of positive tests at all?

The only number of any value is one shows how dangerous the Wuhan is.

And.....it is hardly so.

LATimes:



“Our current best estimates tell us that about 10% of the global population may have been infected by this virus,” Ryan said.



The estimate — which would amount to more than 760 million people ..."












Deaths:

1,042,982



Let me do the math for you: a fatality rate of 0.0013 percent.





The Marxist who leads the World Health Organization, 'Dr. Tedros,' said it would be 3.4% of the infected, dead.



2600 times fewer deadly than expected.
Hopefully you or a loved one is not one of them


So my numbers are correct?
Again? The number of deaths from the Wuhan is no more than a rounding error.

Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:



"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.



....between 20 and 45, 99.98%



....between 50 and 65, 99.5%



....and over 70, about 95%.



The chance of dying from the Wuhan Red Death is about.....zero.



Sooo ask yourself why the number reported is 'infections,' those positive tests, many of which are false positives.

Move on.
US Daily Deaths

Link doesn't work.

Why don't you simply state your claim.
 

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