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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
But China is use to draconian measures! We are the United States and that would not fly here. Try that here and you would start a rebellion. You cannot mandate people stay at home and not provide for their families. Not everyone can live on $1200 a month. I think any mayor or governor that proposes such a lock down would become an enemy to the people
 

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Any person that supports closing the country for a month is clinically insane. You want to lock people in their homes and they cannot venture anywhere, Who is going to enforce your socialist mandate? The CDC Gestopo? Something like what you propose would end up in a shooting war before the mandated quarantine is lifted
We don't need such draconian method but we do need rules and we do need to enforce them. Not Wearing masks where required, breaking quarantine, large gatherings can't be allowed. We have to think of it as a war and in a war, personal freedoms have to be curtailed. A lot can be accomplished by uniting government, federal, state, and local in regard to the virus, public service messages, ads, meeting with state and local leaders and businesses to encourage following the rules. Getting cooperation from the public is the most important factor in stopping an epidemic. When the vaccine becomes available we're going to have require people be inoculated. Currently 50% is not willing to vaccinate. That has to change. If we're going to rid ourselves of this epidemic we nee 70% participation and we probably going need two does. To get that level of participation we going to have require just about everyone that can take the vaccine do so.
 

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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
But China is use to draconian measures! We are the United States and that would not fly here. Try that here and you would start a rebellion. You cannot mandate people stay at home and not provide for their families. Not everyone can live on $1200 a month. I think any mayor or governor that proposes such a lock down would become an enemy to the people
I agree but there is middle ground. For example when the vaccine becomes available, it should be required to attend school just as we did with smallpox years ago. State and local governments can require all employees to be vaccinated, the same goes for any one dealing with public in retail establishments. For people that can't take the vaccine, medical exemptions would be allowed. One of few pluses in prevention of transmission of diseases is every single person does have to comply but a large majority must.
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

You quoted on my thread. But apparently you didn't read it. It doesn't matter who transmits what. Or where vacationers go. If the plans I put forward were acted on, there would be no more coronavirus. After going for 9+ months of rising death tolls, shutdowns and mask wearing, three weeks of a real shutdown would be a walk in the park. Also, as I was telling somebody else, after the mass murderer Trump loses the election, there is likely to be another round of stimulus checks. Over a couple months, (possibly shorter) people would be able to buy everything they need to last three weeks of a REAL quarantine. Then afterwards, there would be no more coronavirus. Maybe even no more flu. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting that money and still having the coronavirus to deal with afterwards.



"Bible Experts Determine Goliath Died Of COVID-19
July 10th, 2020


ISRAEL—Working at an archaeological dig in the Valley of Elah, Bible experts have come up with an interesting theory concerning the death of Goliath, hulking giant of the Philistines who fought David in one-on-one combat.

Though he did have severe head trauma and neck problems, his death is now being counted as a COVID-19 death.
"While we didn't test him per se, he exhibited a lot of the symptoms of COVID-19," said one Bible scholar as he carefully worked to unearth some ancient face masks from Bible times. "The wooziness, the falling down, the headache -- it's all pretty clearly indicative of the novel coronavirus." He also stated that the virus ran rampant among the Philistines because they did not social distance, while Israel was relatively safe because King Saul declared a lockdown.
One researcher suggested that Goliath did not die of coronavirus but simply ODed, having been stoned. But then the other researchers realized he was telling a dad joke and told him to shut up and keep digging.
At publishing time, scholars had proposed that everyone who died in the Flood, the Israelite conquest of Canaan, and the flattening of Sodom and Gomorrah also died of COVID-19."
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
 

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Wow, overall... you ok?

You don't see ass kickins that severe very often. And PC just kicked the shit out of yours.
Ah, another delusional person I see. Dredging up BS from the internet and posting it doesn't make it true. Maybe you would like to be even more of an obedient lap dog to Trump and tell me that human caused global warming isn't real. Or maybe you would care to explain to me how you know more about trump than his own sister. Who he grew up with. She now is a retired judge. And she said that her brother, Trump, was a liar with no principals. So you and PC can suck it.
global warming isn't real. the earth has cycles. (patterns) we have the same heat waves and blizzards as of those in the 1950s and belore. is AOC your teacher?

after periods of wet weather you will get dry weather. hurricanes are part of the cycles. I will bring Joe bastardi's video some time.

he is paid by large corporations to estimate weather related losses by comparing them to other weather cycles. . he was accuweather's top meteorologist.

he accurately predicts where and when hurricanes will hit. he predicted Katrina hitting Louisiana 7 to 10 days before.
What an idiot. Human caused global warming is real. As is the death toll from the coronavirus.

Time to school you again.....


"... an article by award-winning climate activist Michael Shellenberger, in which he apologizes "for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years."


Authored by Michael Shellenberger via Environmental Progress (emphasis ours)

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare


On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.
I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.
But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.
Here are some facts few people know:


  • Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
  • The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
  • Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
  • Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003
  • The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska
  • The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
  • Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s
  • Adapting to life below sea level made the Netherlands rich not poor
  • We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter
  • Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
  • Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels
  • Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture
I know that the above facts will sound like “climate denialism” to many people. But that just shows the power of climate alarmism"


Forbes Censors Award-Winning Environmentalist's Apology Over Three-Decade 'Climate Scare' - So Here It Is

"We environmentalists have misled the public."

www.zerohedge.com





But you are a good little mindless drone.
 
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in actuality, you have near zero chance of dying from the Chinese flu
Maybe so, but 224,282 AMERICANS are now dead from the Trump-45 Virus!
But as Tramp would say, that is 224,282 Americans who are permanently immune!!
You do know that you replied to somebody who has no sense. PC just keeps trying to justify Trump basically murdering the people that he has, so far. But I think this thread needs to get back on track. This thread is about how to stop the coronavirus. In just three weeks we can be completely done with it. No more lockdowns. No more rising death toll. No more masks. Children going back to school. Compare my ideas to the 9+ months we have been dealing with all sorts of coronavirus misery. What little economic hardship my idea would cause is absolutely with all of the hardship we have been dealing with in the 9+ months. And you can believe that there is worse yet to come. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave.

You may try to pretend that you haven't been taken to the woodshed.....but readers recognize what you and General Custer have in common.


And this, your epitaph:
"The deniers first deceive themselves that they are sincere in their adherence to falsehoods. Thus they cannot be faulted for acting on genuinely held views. But in truth, they have cultivated an ignorance of the facts, what Thomas Aquinas called ignorantia affectata. An ignorance so useful that one protects it at all costs, in order to continue using it in one’s own self interest. This ignorance is not exculpatory, but inculpatory. Forgive them not, for they know full well what they do.'
RICHARD BADALAMENTE
Bullshit. Maybe you should try to say that human caused global warming isn't real. That will get you about as far.
 

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in actuality, you have near zero chance of dying from the Chinese flu
Maybe so, but 224,282 AMERICANS are now dead from the Trump-45 Virus!
But as Tramp would say, that is 224,282 Americans who are permanently immune!!
You do know that you replied to somebody who has no sense. PC just keeps trying to justify Trump basically murdering the people that he has, so far. But I think this thread needs to get back on track. This thread is about how to stop the coronavirus. In just three weeks we can be completely done with it. No more lockdowns. No more rising death toll. No more masks. Children going back to school. Compare my ideas to the 9+ months we have been dealing with all sorts of coronavirus misery. What little economic hardship my idea would cause is absolutely with all of the hardship we have been dealing with in the 9+ months. And you can believe that there is worse yet to come. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave.

You may try to pretend that you haven't been taken to the woodshed.....but readers recognize what you and General Custer have in common.


And this, your epitaph:
"The deniers first deceive themselves that they are sincere in their adherence to falsehoods. Thus they cannot be faulted for acting on genuinely held views. But in truth, they have cultivated an ignorance of the facts, what Thomas Aquinas called ignorantia affectata. An ignorance so useful that one protects it at all costs, in order to continue using it in one’s own self interest. This ignorance is not exculpatory, but inculpatory. Forgive them not, for they know full well what they do.'
RICHARD BADALAMENTE
Bullshit. Maybe you should try to say that human caused global warming isn't real. That will get you about as far.

We've established that you are less than articulate, and continue to post in the language you learned on the wall of the 3rd grade boys bathroom.


But it certainly fits your political views.


Now, get on back to the 24-Hour All Cartoon Network.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.

 
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Any person that supports closing the country for a month is clinically insane. You want to lock people in their homes and they cannot venture anywhere, Who is going to enforce your socialist mandate? The CDC Gestopo? Something like what you propose would end up in a shooting war before the mandated quarantine is lifted
I wonder what kind of delusional fairy land you live in. For the last 9+ months we have been dealing with nothing but shit from the coronavirus. Look at all of the places that closed their doors. Or banks that will only let you into their lobby by appointment. And in the town I live in there are some streets that they drilled holes into the road and put in concrete posts. So that people wanting to get something to eat at the restaurants there can eat out in the street without having to worry about cars trying to get through. Though I am guessing that winter will put a stop to most of that. And in Europe, they are having a second wave of infection. Things just keep getting worse here. You have to be downright delusional to think that three weeks of a real quarantine that has been prepared for could even come close to what we have gone through IN ANY WAY AT ALL in the past 9+ months. And unless something is done, things will get worse.
 

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Kill a commie for mommy.
You know, more people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than have died from it in China! Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! It would have sucked to have people like you around during the black death in Europe. If anybody tried to do any sort of quarantine, an idiot like you would have called them "commies." Also, if the "commie" approach works for anything, I say go with it.
Careful, the smoke that has been blown up your ass is starting to leak out of your ears.
 
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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
If they aren't letting in tourists, I can't really call that open. On a different note, strange thing is we probably still have open borders with Mexico. Did you know that border crossings between mexico and the U.S. are the busiest in the WORLD! Do you know what that really means? They would never admit to it on the news or anything. But what it actually means is that there is no border. Having one would be "racist!" The hypocrites. Back before the White man even came here, those different indian tribes would outright kill anybody who encroached on their lands.

But back on the topic, quarantines can't be viewed as "draconian" when there is a logical and justified reason for them. Also, there have been many times in the past when our government called on the patriotic duty of the country to get something done. China has probably done the same thing. We need to do that again here with the coronavirus. And maybe give America the justification to execute anti-maskers for treason. Those morons talk about freedom. But the line has to be drawn at having the freedom to spread the virus and kill even more people.
 
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Wow, overall... you ok?

You don't see ass kickins that severe very often. And PC just kicked the shit out of yours.
Ah, another delusional person I see. Dredging up BS from the internet and posting it doesn't make it true. Maybe you would like to be even more of an obedient lap dog to Trump and tell me that human caused global warming isn't real. Or maybe you would care to explain to me how you know more about trump than his own sister. Who he grew up with. She now is a retired judge. And she said that her brother, Trump, was a liar with no principals. So you and PC can suck it.
global warming isn't real. the earth has cycles. (patterns) we have the same heat waves and blizzards as of those in the 1950s and belore. is AOC your teacher?

after periods of wet weather you will get dry weather. hurricanes are part of the cycles. I will bring Joe bastardi's video some time.

he is paid by large corporations to estimate weather related losses by comparing them to other weather cycles. . he was accuweather's top meteorologist.

he accurately predicts where and when hurricanes will hit. he predicted Katrina hitting Louisiana 7 to 10 days before.
What an idiot. Human caused global warming is real. As is the death toll from the coronavirus.

Time to school you again.....


"... an article by award-winning climate activist Michael Shellenberger, in which he apologizes "for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years."


Authored by Michael Shellenberger via Environmental Progress (emphasis ours)

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare


On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.
I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.
But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.
Here are some facts few people know:


  • Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
  • The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
  • Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
  • Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003
  • The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska
  • The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
  • Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s
  • Adapting to life below sea level made the Netherlands rich not poor
  • We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter
  • Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
  • Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels
  • Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture
I know that the above facts will sound like “climate denialism” to many people. But that just shows the power of climate alarmism"


Forbes Censors Award-Winning Environmentalist's Apology Over Three-Decade 'Climate Scare' - So Here It Is

"We environmentalists have misled the public."

www.zerohedge.com





But you are a good little mindless drone.
You are an idiot. The worst kind of idiot. A dangerous one.

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
"But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die."

Moronic, disingenuous, dishonest, misleading statement. Why, you ask? Because your lie implies that Joe Biden would make your "brilliant" plan a reality, and that is just not so. Typical left wing fear mongering. So transparent that only liberal sheeple will cheer your dribble.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
 

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Wow, overall... you ok?

You don't see ass kickins that severe very often. And PC just kicked the shit out of yours.
Ah, another delusional person I see. Dredging up BS from the internet and posting it doesn't make it true. Maybe you would like to be even more of an obedient lap dog to Trump and tell me that human caused global warming isn't real. Or maybe you would care to explain to me how you know more about trump than his own sister. Who he grew up with. She now is a retired judge. And she said that her brother, Trump, was a liar with no principals. So you and PC can suck it.
global warming isn't real. the earth has cycles. (patterns) we have the same heat waves and blizzards as of those in the 1950s and belore. is AOC your teacher?

after periods of wet weather you will get dry weather. hurricanes are part of the cycles. I will bring Joe bastardi's video some time.

he is paid by large corporations to estimate weather related losses by comparing them to other weather cycles. . he was accuweather's top meteorologist.

he accurately predicts where and when hurricanes will hit. he predicted Katrina hitting Louisiana 7 to 10 days before.
What an idiot. Human caused global warming is real. As is the death toll from the coronavirus.

Time to school you again.....


"... an article by award-winning climate activist Michael Shellenberger, in which he apologizes "for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years."


Authored by Michael Shellenberger via Environmental Progress (emphasis ours)

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare


On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.
I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.
But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.
Here are some facts few people know:


  • Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
  • The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
  • Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
  • Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003
  • The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska
  • The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
  • Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s
  • Adapting to life below sea level made the Netherlands rich not poor
  • We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter
  • Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
  • Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels
  • Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture
I know that the above facts will sound like “climate denialism” to many people. But that just shows the power of climate alarmism"


Forbes Censors Award-Winning Environmentalist's Apology Over Three-Decade 'Climate Scare' - So Here It Is

"We environmentalists have misled the public."

www.zerohedge.com





But you are a good little mindless drone.
You are an idiot. The worst kind of idiot. A dangerous one.

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This is who you are disputing, you dunce:

Michael Shellenberger (born 1971) is an American author, environmental policy writer, cofounder of Breakthrough Institute and founder of Environmental Progress. He was named a Time magazine Heroes of the Environment (2008),[2] winner of the 2008 Green Book Award,[3] co-editor of Love Your Monsters (2011) and co-author of Break Through (Houghton Mifflin 2007) and The Death of Environmentalism (2004).[4] He and his co-author Ted Nordhaus have been described as "ecological modernists"[5] and "eco-pragmatists."[6] In 2015, Shellenberger joined with 18 other self-described ecomodernists to coauthor An Ecomodernist Manifesto.[7] On November 30, 2017, he announced during a New York Times conference that he would run for Governor of California in 2018[8][9]. Shellenberger is the author of Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All (2020).[10]
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.

COVID-19 deaths ARE being over counted, by A LOT, but not primarily for political reasons. The reason is, as it is for almost ALL things, because of the all mighty dollar. As part of the CARES Act, Medicare pays 20% ADDITIONAL for a COVID related patient than a standard reimbursements. This carries over to ALL insurance reimbursements because most payment schedules are derived off of Medicare schedules. Hospitals are attempting to offset their loses from not being able to perform their most profitable procedures, elective surgery, due to COVID-19. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being naive.
 

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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
If they aren't letting in tourists, I can't really call that open. On a different note, strange thing is we probably still have open borders with Mexico. Did you know that border crossings between mexico and the U.S. are the busiest in the WORLD! Do you know what that really means? They would never admit to it on the news or anything. But what it actually means is that there is no border. Having one would be "racist!" The hypocrites. Back before the White man even came here, those different indian tribes would outright kill anybody who encroached on their lands.

But back on the topic, quarantines can't be viewed as "draconian" when there is a logical and justified reason for them. Also, there have been many times in the past when our government called on the patriotic duty of the country to get something done. China has probably done the same thing. We need to do that again here with the coronavirus. And maybe give America the justification to execute anti-maskers for treason. Those morons talk about freedom. But the line has to be drawn at having the freedom to spread the virus and kill even more people.
In China a notice is posted on doors that this family is quarantined until a certain date. No one in the family is allow out of the dwelling except to obtain food or medical needs. Any violation is to be reported. In towns or village where the virus is running out of control, the military blocks all transportation in our out. That is pretty draconian.

In the US, we do the very opposite. We ask people to get tested and quarantine if positive. Someone from the health dept. contacts the infected person and ask who they were in contact with. The contacts are traced down and tested. That is how it is suppose to work. Unfortunately, many that test positive are never interviewed. Also, since most health depts. do not have enough personnel to monitor all positive cases, once the infected person feels better they often go back into community spreading the virus. We need to do better here.

Japan's response to the virus shows us what should have been done in the US. There were no orders from the Japanese government nor any law enforcement forcing people to follow the requests of prime minister. Schools were shutdown for a month but businesses were never ordered to close. A lot of business dropped off so much that many closed or cut hours. Mask wearing in public was near universal and social distancing was practiced. In short, they did what the US CDC said should be done with little if any opposition. As one Japanese man said, "It would be unthinkable for anyone associated with the government or any news outlet to suggest that people not follow the rules. In Japan, with a population of about 125 million people they have had 1630 total deaths do to covid-19 compared to the US total of 217,000. In Japan, a survey was done asking whether you would take the vaccine if it became available early next year. Over 90% said yes. In the US, a similar survey reveal 50% said they would not take it. 70% participation is the target in order to attain herb immunity and get rid of virus.
 
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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
If they aren't letting in tourists, I can't really call that open. On a different note, strange thing is we probably still have open borders with Mexico. Did you know that border crossings between mexico and the U.S. are the busiest in the WORLD! Do you know what that really means? They would never admit to it on the news or anything. But what it actually means is that there is no border. Having one would be "racist!" The hypocrites. Back before the White man even came here, those different indian tribes would outright kill anybody who encroached on their lands.

But back on the topic, quarantines can't be viewed as "draconian" when there is a logical and justified reason for them. Also, there have been many times in the past when our government called on the patriotic duty of the country to get something done. China has probably done the same thing. We need to do that again here with the coronavirus. And maybe give America the justification to execute anti-maskers for treason. Those morons talk about freedom. But the line has to be drawn at having the freedom to spread the virus and kill even more people.
In China a notice is posted on doors that this family is quarantined until a certain date. No one in the family is allow out of the dwelling except to obtain food or medical needs. Any violation is to be reported. In towns or village where the virus is running out of control, the military blocks all transportation in our out. That is pretty draconian.

In the US, we do the very opposite. We ask people to get tested and quarantine if positive. Someone from the health dept. contacts the infected person and ask who they were in contact with. The contacts are traced down and tested. That is how it is suppose to work. Unfortunately, many that test positive are never interviewed. Also, since most health depts. do not have enough personnel to monitor all positive cases, once the infected person feels better they often go back into community spreading the virus. We need to do better here.

Japan's response to the virus shows us what should have been done in the US. There were no orders from the Japanese government nor any law enforcement forcing people to follow the requests of prime minister. Schools were shutdown for a month but businesses were never ordered to close. A lot of business dropped off so much that many closed or cut hours. Mask wearing in public was near universal and social distancing was practiced. In short, they did what the US CDC said should be done with little if any opposition. As one Japanese man said, "It would be unthinkable for anyone associated with the government or any news outlet to suggest that people not follow the rules. In Japan, with a population of about 125 million people they have had 1630 total deaths do to covid-19 compared to the US total of 217,000. In Japan, a survey was done asking whether you would take the vaccine if it became available early next year. Over 90% said yes. In the US, a similar survey reveal 50% said they would not take it. 70% participation is the target in order to attain herb immunity and get rid of virus.

"Nearly 25% of New York City Transit Workers Cited Covid-19 Infections, Study Says

... a team of researchers from New York, Harvard and Yale universities said Tuesday that nearly one-quarter of subway and bus workers they surveyed this summer reported having had the virus.

The state-controlled Metropolitan Transportation Authority runs the city’s subway and bus systems as well as two of the nation’s busiest commuter railroads. About 130 of its 68,000 employees have died of Covid-19-related causes, mostly in the departments that operate subways and buses."
www.wsj.com

Nearly 25% of New York City Transit Workers Cited Covid-19 Infections, Study Says
New York City subway and bus workers might have been infected by the new coronavirus at rates higher than previously thought, a survey says.
www.wsj.com
www.wsj.com


That's a fatality rate of 0.0019

And....we don't know how many actually died of this virus, or died of other factors.



"....just 7.3% of transit workers had taken leave because they were infected with the virus."




You must be shakin' in your boots, huh?


How many stayed home with the usual season flu in other years when Trump wasn't running and had to be stopped?
 

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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
If they aren't letting in tourists, I can't really call that open. On a different note, strange thing is we probably still have open borders with Mexico. Did you know that border crossings between mexico and the U.S. are the busiest in the WORLD! Do you know what that really means? They would never admit to it on the news or anything. But what it actually means is that there is no border. Having one would be "racist!" The hypocrites. Back before the White man even came here, those different indian tribes would outright kill anybody who encroached on their lands.

But back on the topic, quarantines can't be viewed as "draconian" when there is a logical and justified reason for them. Also, there have been many times in the past when our government called on the patriotic duty of the country to get something done. China has probably done the same thing. We need to do that again here with the coronavirus. And maybe give America the justification to execute anti-maskers for treason. Those morons talk about freedom. But the line has to be drawn at having the freedom to spread the virus and kill even more people.
In China a notice is posted on doors that this family is quarantined until a certain date. No one in the family is allow out of the dwelling except to obtain food or medical needs. Any violation is to be reported. In towns or village where the virus is running out of control, the military blocks all transportation in our out. That is pretty draconian.

In the US, we do the very opposite. We ask people to get tested and quarantine if positive. Someone from the health dept. contacts the infected person and ask who they were in contact with. The contacts are traced down and tested. That is how it is suppose to work. Unfortunately, many that test positive are never interviewed. Also, since most health depts. do not have enough personnel to monitor all positive cases, once the infected person feels better they often go back into community spreading the virus. We need to do better here.

Japan's response to the virus shows us what should have been done in the US. There were no orders from the Japanese government nor any law enforcement forcing people to follow the requests of prime minister. Schools were shutdown for a month but businesses were never ordered to close. A lot of business dropped off so much that many closed or cut hours. Mask wearing in public was near universal and social distancing was practiced. In short, they did what the US CDC said should be done with little if any opposition. As one Japanese man said, "It would be unthinkable for anyone associated with the government or any news outlet to suggest that people not follow the rules. In Japan, with a population of about 125 million people they have had 1630 total deaths do to covid-19 compared to the US total of 217,000. In Japan, a survey was done asking whether you would take the vaccine if it became available early next year. Over 90% said yes. In the US, a similar survey reveal 50% said they would not take it. 70% participation is the target in order to attain herb immunity and get rid of virus.

"Nearly 25% of New York City Transit Workers Cited Covid-19 Infections, Study Says

... a team of researchers from New York, Harvard and Yale universities said Tuesday that nearly one-quarter of subway and bus workers they surveyed this summer reported having had the virus.

The state-controlled Metropolitan Transportation Authority runs the city’s subway and bus systems as well as two of the nation’s busiest commuter railroads. About 130 of its 68,000 employees have died of Covid-19-related causes, mostly in the departments that operate subways and buses."
www.wsj.com

Nearly 25% of New York City Transit Workers Cited Covid-19 Infections, Study Says
New York City subway and bus workers might have been infected by the new coronavirus at rates higher than previously thought, a survey says.
www.wsj.com
www.wsj.com


That's a fatality rate of 0.0019

And....we don't know how many actually died of this virus, or died of other factors.



"....just 7.3% of transit workers had taken leave because they were infected with the virus."




You must be shakin' in your boots, huh?


How many stayed home with the usual season flu in other years when Trump wasn't running and had to be stopped?
Stating mortality rates has long been used as a method of downplaying deaths simple because the public is not familiar with the numbers. Covid-19 will be third largest killer in the US this year, exceeded only by cancer and heart disease, 6 times the rate for both influenza and pneumonia in 2019.

To illustrate, the mortality rate for deaths in airplane accidents in 2019 was .000000857, yet we spend 140 million dollars a year investigation airplane accidents and 40% of Americans fear flying.
 

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