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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
If they aren't letting in tourists, I can't really call that open. On a different note, strange thing is we probably still have open borders with Mexico. Did you know that border crossings between mexico and the U.S. are the busiest in the WORLD! Do you know what that really means? They would never admit to it on the news or anything. But what it actually means is that there is no border. Having one would be "racist!" The hypocrites. Back before the White man even came here, those different indian tribes would outright kill anybody who encroached on their lands.

But back on the topic, quarantines can't be viewed as "draconian" when there is a logical and justified reason for them. Also, there have been many times in the past when our government called on the patriotic duty of the country to get something done. China has probably done the same thing. We need to do that again here with the coronavirus. And maybe give America the justification to execute anti-maskers for treason. Those morons talk about freedom. But the line has to be drawn at having the freedom to spread the virus and kill even more people.
In China a notice is posted on doors that this family is quarantined until a certain date. No one in the family is allow out of the dwelling except to obtain food or medical needs. Any violation is to be reported. In towns or village where the virus is running out of control, the military blocks all transportation in our out. That is pretty draconian.

In the US, we do the very opposite. We ask people to get tested and quarantine if positive. Someone from the health dept. contacts the infected person and ask who they were in contact with. The contacts are traced down and tested. That is how it is suppose to work. Unfortunately, many that test positive are never interviewed. Also, since most health depts. do not have enough personnel to monitor all positive cases, once the infected person feels better they often go back into community spreading the virus. We need to do better here.

Japan's response to the virus shows us what should have been done in the US. There were no orders from the Japanese government nor any law enforcement forcing people to follow the requests of prime minister. Schools were shutdown for a month but businesses were never ordered to close. A lot of business dropped off so much that many closed or cut hours. Mask wearing in public was near universal and social distancing was practiced. In short, they did what the US CDC said should be done with little if any opposition. As one Japanese man said, "It would be unthinkable for anyone associated with the government or any news outlet to suggest that people not follow the rules. In Japan, with a population of about 125 million people they have had 1630 total deaths do to covid-19 compared to the US total of 217,000. In Japan, a survey was done asking whether you would take the vaccine if it became available early next year. Over 90% said yes. In the US, a similar survey reveal 50% said they would not take it. 70% participation is the target in order to attain herb immunity and get rid of virus.

"Nearly 25% of New York City Transit Workers Cited Covid-19 Infections, Study Says

... a team of researchers from New York, Harvard and Yale universities said Tuesday that nearly one-quarter of subway and bus workers they surveyed this summer reported having had the virus.

The state-controlled Metropolitan Transportation Authority runs the city’s subway and bus systems as well as two of the nation’s busiest commuter railroads. About 130 of its 68,000 employees have died of Covid-19-related causes, mostly in the departments that operate subways and buses."
www.wsj.com

Nearly 25% of New York City Transit Workers Cited Covid-19 Infections, Study Says
New York City subway and bus workers might have been infected by the new coronavirus at rates higher than previously thought, a survey says.
www.wsj.com
www.wsj.com


That's a fatality rate of 0.0019

And....we don't know how many actually died of this virus, or died of other factors.



"....just 7.3% of transit workers had taken leave because they were infected with the virus."




You must be shakin' in your boots, huh?


How many stayed home with the usual season flu in other years when Trump wasn't running and had to be stopped?
Stating mortality rates has long been used as a method of downplaying deaths simple because the public is not familiar with the numbers. Covid-19 will be third largest killer in the US this year, exceeded only by cancer and heart disease, 6 times the rate for both influenza and pneumonia in 2019.

To illustrate, the mortality rate for deaths in airplane accidents in 2019 was .000000857, yet we spend 140 million dollars a year investigation airplane accidents and 40% of Americans fear flying.


No one ever shut down the entire economy due to airplane deaths.

Nor did they make everyone walk around with a parachute.

The Wuhan death rate is close to that of the seasonal flu.

And that huge number that they advertise.......the CDC said that only 6% of that number is due to the Wuhan singularly.

You're either too stupid to recognize what is actually going on, or evil enough to go along with it.
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
"But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die."

Moronic, disingenuous, dishonest, misleading statement. Why, you ask? Because your lie implies that Joe Biden would make your "brilliant" plan a reality, and that is just not so. Typical left wing fear mongering. So transparent that only liberal sheeple will cheer your dribble.
I could have worded what I said better. But it is what it is. Neither was what I wrote an endorsement of Biden. He simply can't do worse than Trump. And he may not do what I suggest here. First, he would have to know about it. That's not likely to happen. Also, I started a thread in the politics section called "Is Trump a mass murderer?" Read it while you can. I thought I already started such a thread around here. If I did, it disappeared.
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.
 
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Wow, overall... you ok?

You don't see ass kickins that severe very often. And PC just kicked the shit out of yours.
Ah, another delusional person I see. Dredging up BS from the internet and posting it doesn't make it true. Maybe you would like to be even more of an obedient lap dog to Trump and tell me that human caused global warming isn't real. Or maybe you would care to explain to me how you know more about trump than his own sister. Who he grew up with. She now is a retired judge. And she said that her brother, Trump, was a liar with no principals. So you and PC can suck it.
global warming isn't real. the earth has cycles. (patterns) we have the same heat waves and blizzards as of those in the 1950s and belore. is AOC your teacher?

after periods of wet weather you will get dry weather. hurricanes are part of the cycles. I will bring Joe bastardi's video some time.

he is paid by large corporations to estimate weather related losses by comparing them to other weather cycles. . he was accuweather's top meteorologist.

he accurately predicts where and when hurricanes will hit. he predicted Katrina hitting Louisiana 7 to 10 days before.
What an idiot. Human caused global warming is real. As is the death toll from the coronavirus.

Time to school you again.....


"... an article by award-winning climate activist Michael Shellenberger, in which he apologizes "for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years."


Authored by Michael Shellenberger via Environmental Progress (emphasis ours)

On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare


On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.
I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.
But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.
Here are some facts few people know:


  • Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
  • The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
  • Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
  • Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003
  • The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska
  • The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
  • Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s
  • Adapting to life below sea level made the Netherlands rich not poor
  • We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter
  • Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
  • Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels
  • Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture
I know that the above facts will sound like “climate denialism” to many people. But that just shows the power of climate alarmism"


Forbes Censors Award-Winning Environmentalist's Apology Over Three-Decade 'Climate Scare' - So Here It Is

"We environmentalists have misled the public."

www.zerohedge.com





But you are a good little mindless drone.
You are an idiot. The worst kind of idiot. A dangerous one.

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This is who you are disputing, you dunce:

Michael Shellenberger (born 1971) is an American author, environmental policy writer, cofounder of Breakthrough Institute and founder of Environmental Progress. He was named a Time magazine Heroes of the Environment (2008),[2] winner of the 2008 Green Book Award,[3] co-editor of Love Your Monsters (2011) and co-author of Break Through (Houghton Mifflin 2007) and The Death of Environmentalism (2004).[4] He and his co-author Ted Nordhaus have been described as "ecological modernists"[5] and "eco-pragmatists."[6] In 2015, Shellenberger joined with 18 other self-described ecomodernists to coauthor An Ecomodernist Manifesto.[7] On November 30, 2017, he announced during a New York Times conference that he would run for Governor of California in 2018[8][9]. Shellenberger is the author of Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All (2020).[10]

Well if he says that human caused global warming isn't a reality, then he is an idiot. Though possibly a paid off idiot.
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.

COVID-19 deaths ARE being over counted, by A LOT, but not primarily for political reasons. The reason is, as it is for almost ALL things, because of the all mighty dollar. As part of the CARES Act, Medicare pays 20% ADDITIONAL for a COVID related patient than a standard reimbursements. This carries over to ALL insurance reimbursements because most payment schedules are derived off of Medicare schedules. Hospitals are attempting to offset their loses from not being able to perform their most profitable procedures, elective surgery, due to COVID-19. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being naive.
Either people are dead or they aren't. Either they died from coronavirus or they didn't. Either all those people who are on ventilators need to be there or they don't. Either those who are put into a coma to try to get them to survive needed to be put into a coma or they didn't. To hell with your conspiracy theories. Over 220,000 people have died from the coronavirus. Not that you will believe any of it, there are some things I would like you to try and shoot down in a thread I just put into the politics section. It's called, "Is Trump a mass murderer?"
 
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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
If they aren't letting in tourists, I can't really call that open. On a different note, strange thing is we probably still have open borders with Mexico. Did you know that border crossings between mexico and the U.S. are the busiest in the WORLD! Do you know what that really means? They would never admit to it on the news or anything. But what it actually means is that there is no border. Having one would be "racist!" The hypocrites. Back before the White man even came here, those different indian tribes would outright kill anybody who encroached on their lands.

But back on the topic, quarantines can't be viewed as "draconian" when there is a logical and justified reason for them. Also, there have been many times in the past when our government called on the patriotic duty of the country to get something done. China has probably done the same thing. We need to do that again here with the coronavirus. And maybe give America the justification to execute anti-maskers for treason. Those morons talk about freedom. But the line has to be drawn at having the freedom to spread the virus and kill even more people.
In China a notice is posted on doors that this family is quarantined until a certain date. No one in the family is allow out of the dwelling except to obtain food or medical needs. Any violation is to be reported. In towns or village where the virus is running out of control, the military blocks all transportation in our out. That is pretty draconian.

In the US, we do the very opposite. We ask people to get tested and quarantine if positive. Someone from the health dept. contacts the infected person and ask who they were in contact with. The contacts are traced down and tested. That is how it is suppose to work. Unfortunately, many that test positive are never interviewed. Also, since most health depts. do not have enough personnel to monitor all positive cases, once the infected person feels better they often go back into community spreading the virus. We need to do better here.

Japan's response to the virus shows us what should have been done in the US. There were no orders from the Japanese government nor any law enforcement forcing people to follow the requests of prime minister. Schools were shutdown for a month but businesses were never ordered to close. A lot of business dropped off so much that many closed or cut hours. Mask wearing in public was near universal and social distancing was practiced. In short, they did what the US CDC said should be done with little if any opposition. As one Japanese man said, "It would be unthinkable for anyone associated with the government or any news outlet to suggest that people not follow the rules. In Japan, with a population of about 125 million people they have had 1630 total deaths do to covid-19 compared to the US total of 217,000. In Japan, a survey was done asking whether you would take the vaccine if it became available early next year. Over 90% said yes. In the US, a similar survey reveal 50% said they would not take it. 70% participation is the target in order to attain herb immunity and get rid of virus.
I stand by my statement. If something is necessary, it isn't draconian. As for Japan, from what I hear, people there are very socially minded. As for the rest, I just did a thread in the politics section called, "Is Trump a mass murderer?" How long it will last is a different matter. Feel free to comment on it if you get a chance to see it.
 
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Excellent Article:
The Chinese Virus – Why We Panicked and Why We’ve Got to End the Panic Now

a 99,9% survival rate and you have to be tested to know that you have it!
"Excellent article?" You mean excellent lies. More people have died from the coronavirus here in the U.S. than in China. Where it began. And they have over a billion more people! People need to start to panic!!! Instead of quietly lying down to die to placate the mass murderer Trump.
How do you know exactly how many people have died from the Kung Flu Virus in China? They have not exactly been forthcoming with information. You are nothing more than a paranoid liberal hypochondriac or a paid stooge for the Democratic party or both. the only reason I have not blocked you is because you add some comic relief.
What China says doesn't make a lot of difference. Many foreign countries have diplomats and journalists working in China. If things were really bad there, surely some Chinese person or doctor would have let some of those people know about it. And I do know that over 200,000 people in the U.S. has died from it. That is bad enough. Now, would you like to talk about something that matters?

Reread my thread. Whatever "economic misery" that the plan I put forward in my thread would be absolutely nothing to what has happened in the past 9+ months. And what will follow. From what I hear, Europe is now dealing with a second wave. We need to have done with all that bullshit. Stop the virus. That is all. Just do whatever is necessary to put an end to it. And having prepared to do so, it won't be all that bad. After Biden gets elected, there will probably be another round of stimulus checks. Over a two month period, there would be no problem with spending that money to buy the supplies needed to last for three weeks. It would be a hell of a lot better than getting the money and still having the coronavirus around afterwards.
China has just opened their borders to all countries except no tourist. Major cities are filled with traffic and businesses are open. However there are still parts of the country that are closed. China practices mass quarantines, that is they seal off whole cities, villages, and neighborhoods until the virus is gone. It's largely up to people to follow the preventive measure. It's pretty draconian but it seems to work.
If they aren't letting in tourists, I can't really call that open. On a different note, strange thing is we probably still have open borders with Mexico. Did you know that border crossings between mexico and the U.S. are the busiest in the WORLD! Do you know what that really means? They would never admit to it on the news or anything. But what it actually means is that there is no border. Having one would be "racist!" The hypocrites. Back before the White man even came here, those different indian tribes would outright kill anybody who encroached on their lands.

But back on the topic, quarantines can't be viewed as "draconian" when there is a logical and justified reason for them. Also, there have been many times in the past when our government called on the patriotic duty of the country to get something done. China has probably done the same thing. We need to do that again here with the coronavirus. And maybe give America the justification to execute anti-maskers for treason. Those morons talk about freedom. But the line has to be drawn at having the freedom to spread the virus and kill even more people.
In China a notice is posted on doors that this family is quarantined until a certain date. No one in the family is allow out of the dwelling except to obtain food or medical needs. Any violation is to be reported. In towns or village where the virus is running out of control, the military blocks all transportation in our out. That is pretty draconian.

In the US, we do the very opposite. We ask people to get tested and quarantine if positive. Someone from the health dept. contacts the infected person and ask who they were in contact with. The contacts are traced down and tested. That is how it is suppose to work. Unfortunately, many that test positive are never interviewed. Also, since most health depts. do not have enough personnel to monitor all positive cases, once the infected person feels better they often go back into community spreading the virus. We need to do better here.

Japan's response to the virus shows us what should have been done in the US. There were no orders from the Japanese government nor any law enforcement forcing people to follow the requests of prime minister. Schools were shutdown for a month but businesses were never ordered to close. A lot of business dropped off so much that many closed or cut hours. Mask wearing in public was near universal and social distancing was practiced. In short, they did what the US CDC said should be done with little if any opposition. As one Japanese man said, "It would be unthinkable for anyone associated with the government or any news outlet to suggest that people not follow the rules. In Japan, with a population of about 125 million people they have had 1630 total deaths do to covid-19 compared to the US total of 217,000. In Japan, a survey was done asking whether you would take the vaccine if it became available early next year. Over 90% said yes. In the US, a similar survey reveal 50% said they would not take it. 70% participation is the target in order to attain herb immunity and get rid of virus.

"Nearly 25% of New York City Transit Workers Cited Covid-19 Infections, Study Says

... a team of researchers from New York, Harvard and Yale universities said Tuesday that nearly one-quarter of subway and bus workers they surveyed this summer reported having had the virus.

The state-controlled Metropolitan Transportation Authority runs the city’s subway and bus systems as well as two of the nation’s busiest commuter railroads. About 130 of its 68,000 employees have died of Covid-19-related causes, mostly in the departments that operate subways and buses."
www.wsj.com

Nearly 25% of New York City Transit Workers Cited Covid-19 Infections, Study Says
New York City subway and bus workers might have been infected by the new coronavirus at rates higher than previously thought, a survey says.
www.wsj.com
www.wsj.com


That's a fatality rate of 0.0019

And....we don't know how many actually died of this virus, or died of other factors.



"....just 7.3% of transit workers had taken leave because they were infected with the virus."




You must be shakin' in your boots, huh?


How many stayed home with the usual season flu in other years when Trump wasn't running and had to be stopped?
Stating mortality rates has long been used as a method of downplaying deaths simple because the public is not familiar with the numbers. Covid-19 will be third largest killer in the US this year, exceeded only by cancer and heart disease, 6 times the rate for both influenza and pneumonia in 2019.

To illustrate, the mortality rate for deaths in airplane accidents in 2019 was .000000857, yet we spend 140 million dollars a year investigation airplane accidents and 40% of Americans fear flying.
From what I have been able to find out, right now death from coronavirus is the leading cause of death in the U.S.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.




Prominent Environmental Activist Michael Shellenberger Apologizes for ‘Climate Scare’

Well-known climate activist Michael Shellenberger has issued a public apology for the unfounded panic caused by environmentalists over the fabricated horrors of global warming.

Writing for Forbes Monday, Mr. Shellenberger — a Time magazine Hero of the Environment and winner of the 2008 Green Book Award — said that on behalf of environmentalists everywhere, “I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years.”
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.
No the laugh is at idiots like you who still cant find that allusive heat...

 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4 week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to the US


Since the chances of death from this flu are effectively zero....

....what's the reason for any lockdown at all?
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom

Even worse.....lots of Democrat voters don't realize that that's what their vote means.



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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.

"Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. "

So you never heard of abortion?
 
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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.

"Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. "

So you never heard of abortion?
A fetus isn't a person. And even if you wanted to consider it to be one, the worst that it could be viewed as is a mercy killing. After all, who in the fuck needs them. There are plenty of illegals willing to come here and do whatever job they may have done for cheaper. That is what jobs that haven't already been sent to places like China for that purpose.
 

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That is if you don't like seeing people die and would like the coronavirus to go away. This approach would also have the added benefit of ridding us of the flu, common cold and who knows how many other contagious diseases. For this idea to work we would have to get the other nations on board. Tell people that they have two months from whatever date to prepare for another lock down. A REAL one this time. Like a REAL quarantine. The next lock down would last for three weeks. In two months time there should be no problem in getting enough supplies to last for three weeks. It wouldn't or shouldn't empty out store shelves like happens in places where people find out a hurricane will soon be arriving. And stores would be able to prepare too. Not having food rotting on their shelves. Some crops may rot in the fields. But some things can't be avoided.

Then when the time arrives for the next lock down, shut down EVERYTHING! Except for places like hospitals or electric generating plants. Also, stop ALL travel between cities. Except for people who work at the places I mentioned or other necessary personnel. Sure. It would suck. But after three weeks, you could kiss having to wear a mask good by. You could kiss the idea of getting a flu or coronavirus vaccine good by. And restaurants could pack in customers like sardines. And any economic woes after that could no longer be blamed on the coronavirus. But if you don't want any of this to happen, just vote for Trump. We will then see how many more hundreds of thousands will die.
I think you're missing something, most of the transmission of virus is coming from Americans, not foreigners entering the US. Tourism into the US is down by over 85%. The only way we can reduce the increasing number of cases and deaths is a massive effort on the part of the federal, state, and local government to increase our efforts to stop the transmission of virus. That should be top priority of both the current and new administration. With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission.

Locking down the country will certainly reduce the number cases but unless there is a change in behavior of the country, transmission will shoot back up when the lock down is released. Even when shutdown the country, the virus will continue to spread among family members and close friends because there is a large number asymptomatic people.

IMHO, the right approach is to convince the public to take prevention more seriously. That might require some coercion but that will not eradicate the virus. That ship sailed over 6 months ago but we certainly reduce the number of cases, illness, and deaths. The idea is to save as many lives as possible until we reach herd immunity by means of the vaccine which will probably be 1 to 2 years.

"With or without a vaccine, we going to looking at 400,000 to 500,000 deaths by next year this time unless there are significant changes in preventing the transmission. "


Gads, you're brainless.


How many people die of all causes in an average year?



According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017. The age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, is 731.9 deaths per 100,000 people in the U.S. This is an increase of 0.4% over 2016's death rate.
The top 10 leading causes of death in the United States



How many actually die of the Wuhan?

The Left made it impossible to know.....


"—deaths attributed to COVID-19. As we've learned in recent weeks, those numbers are exaggerated as many medical professionals have overstated them by falsely claiming coronavirus in cases where coronavirus had nothing to do with the death. It is also telling that the provisional death rates, which most use in place of known deaths, include those who are "suspected" of having COVID-19 even if a test was not administered before or after death.


It's understandable that mainstream media and Democrats do not want this information known because it would eliminate the need for locking down the nation, at least for those under 50-years-old. "
Infection Fatality Rate Estimates: The numbers they don't want you to know | NOQ Report


I'm actually surprised you are able to post, what with the constant hand-wringing and all.....
You're almost as cavalier about Covid deaths as Trump. There have been almost twice as many US deaths due to Covid-19 than all the US combat deaths in every US military engagement since WWII. Covid-19 is like 9/11 everyday for 72 todays. And what does our fearless leader have to say about it. "It is what it is".

The real problem is that so many of these deaths were unnecessary. The US has 20% of the Covid-19 deaths in the world and only 4% of the population; that is we have 5 times as many deaths relative to our population. Assuming America's ability to fight the virus was no better than the rest of the world, our number of deaths should be 1/5 or about 42,000. However, it should have been a lot lower than that because according to John Hopkins, the US was the best prepared nation in the world to deal with the virus. Of course they didn't consider the Trump factor.

The reason why the US has failed so badly compared to the rest of world falls squarely on the national leadership. Countries that have been so successful, took the virus very seriously. Almost the same day in late February, that Donald Trump was mocking the doomsday crowd and declaring the virus was just Flu, South Korea's President Moon Jai-in was was telling his people that coronavirus was the greatest threat to the country since the Korean War. He told his people to expect random testing/contact tracing/quarantining in every city and town, closing and quartering any school or business with the virus. By March 1st their military was called up. They began testing in all transportation center, in every city and town and temperature checks on almost every street corner through out the country. Business and schools were required to temperature check every person that entered. Today, South Korea with a population of over 60 million has had a total of 443 deaths. There unemployment is half of the US unemployment rate and almost every business and school is operating normally. There are many examples of other countries that took the virus seriously and followed a prevention plan and there were many such as US, Brazil, and a number in Europe that did not. The deaths and number of cases tell the story of success and failure.

No there haven't.

You simply fell for the scam......bet you fell for every one of 'em since 2016.

To damage Trump, the numbers of both infected and of deaths, had to be inflated.

And, they were:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc.,” the guidance continued.

“If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.”
Is The Number of Deaths Due To COVID-19 Being Inflated, And, If So, Why? | NewsRadio 740 KTRH | Michael Berry




“…the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths is the number of reported Covid-19-related deaths. Reported does not mean actual. Like the number of men who admit that they like Sex on the Beach (the drink and not the act), the number of reported deaths from a disease is typically lower than the actual number. Moreover, the study did not include people who were already sick with Covid-19 during the study time period but passed away after April 29.

Additionally, the study lumped everyone who tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus together and did not separate them out by disease severity or even whether they had symptoms. There may be big differences between being exposed to a relatively small amount of the virus and being exposed to a large amount of the virus. Moreover, who knows how the transmission of the virus and the death rate could be changing over time.” What Is The Death Rate For Covid-19 Coronavirus? What This Study Found


As long as they could produce a panic......that's all that counted.





The chances of you dying from the Wuhan are practically zero......no more than a rounding error.

Now....about this Democrat lock-down to destroy Trump's economic miracle, Hill reporter Joe Consha said the following on Fox. 10/6:

"The CDC said that between the ages of zero and 19, 99.97% of people survive the Wuhan.
....between 20 and 45, 99.98%
....between 50 and 65, 99.5%
....and over 70, about 95%.


Certainly doesn't appear that any shutdown was necessary.
But Democrats don't care the damage they do in their thirst for power.
Have you ever seen a standard CDC death certificate. There only 4 lines to list the cause of death. One line is the immediate cause of death and one is underlying cause. The other two lines list the condition that lead up to the underlying cause. The CDC considers the death a covid-19 death if Covid is listed as the immediate cause or the underlying cause.

Most of the covid death cases are very straightforward. The lungs are usually so severely involved with the pathology, they are two to three times or more the normal weight of a normal lung. A CT Scan of the lungs shows this very clearly. For a person with covid who dies from other causes, this is not the case. In rare cases, the chain of medial events and the condition of lungs are not sufficient for the doctor to make the call so it is referred to the medical examiner.

Both undercounts and overcounts of COVID-19 deaths are possible, but it's not clear which is more likely, or whether they might simply balance each other out. However, one thing is definite, the cases in question would be a rather small percent of the total covid-19 deaths in the US.


Let's see.....I provided links showing that every death is to be attributed to the Wuhan.
I provided data showing that the inflated number is constantly broadcast to increase panic.
I provided data showing data that the chances of dying of the Wuhan are near zero.


But....you're prepared with the usual camp follower's "is not, issssssss nooooottttttt!!!"


Carry on.
How about providing some links to sites that say that human caused global warming is a hoax. That's good for a laugh too.

Why?

I just proved an expert in the field who provided the truth.

The only way his 'apology' would have been any better would have been if he named you and included "fool."
You showed what an expert in stupidity had to say. But that isn't the point of this thread. Getting rid of the coronavirus is. Anything that can be done to get rid of it is worth the effort in doing. Now, agree or disagree all you like.
OK Mr Answerman ---- We lock the US down for 3 weeks on the 4th week international travel resumes and so does the virus, So do we eliminate all travel to and from the US
It wouldn't be the 4th week. It would be the end of the 3rd week. And until the virus is gone, no air travel would be allowed from countries where it isn't gone. And if they got on board with my plan, it would be gone from those countries. Neither could any passenger from a country where it isn't gone travel to a country where it is gone and continue on to the U.S. from there. If some country doesn't want the virus gone, then fuck'em! They don't need to come here. And anybody here doesn't need to go there.
Ok so to be clear you want a total dictatorship. Amazing that you are such a paranoid hypochondriac that you are so willing to give up your freedom
Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. Or corporate America in general. Though coroporate America has had the freedom to do that for a long time. And have done so.

"Freedom to kill people isn't a freedom that any individual should have. "

So you never heard of abortion?
A fetus isn't a person. And even if you wanted to consider it to be one, the worst that it could be viewed as is a mercy killing. After all, who in the fuck needs them. There are plenty of illegals willing to come here and do whatever job they may have done for cheaper. That is what jobs that haven't already been sent to places like China for that purpose.


Vulgarity.

Your attempt to hide the fact that you know your post is a lie.

Provide the etymology....

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary



Where did your research come from, Mr. Kotter’s class?
 

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