Zone1 How to be educated and not indoctrinated

[Unkotare]

Yes, that is what it means. You just cannot keep up.

No, it really isn't. Now you are just being flat-out illogical.

 

[Unkotare]

Which means you didn't go to college or know how this works. Good job!

Well, since it's clear this is what you've been fishing for: "Garsh mister, did U go to Kuleegi"? "That's amazin'!

 

[Kyrion]

Well, since it's clear this is what you've been fishing for: "Garsh mister, did U go to Kuleegi"? "That's amazin'!

See, you didn't go and thus you don't understand how critical thinking and empiricism works or is applied.

Good job!

 

[Unkotare]

See, you didn't go and thus you don't understand how critical thinking and empiricism works or is applied.

Good job!

Do you want some more rope, or is that enough?

 

[Unkotare]

See, you didn't go....

You're just dying to say you did. Go ahead.

 

[Rambunctious]

I think you left out the word "private" in front of universities. Public universities don't donate to political candidates.

The professors and staff do....

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The professors and staff do....

Freedom sucks, doesn't it?

 

[Rambunctious]

Freedom sucks, doesn't it?

Pressured group think and establishments hiring only like minded people sucks... but they are free to suck...

 

[Foxfyre]

I recommend this for everyone.

You don't need to go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt to get educated, only to graduate college and not be able to find a good paying job to feed Left wing trolls who teach all their students that the worst political ideology in human history, which is Marxism, is the best ever.

Just educate yourself.

My sig line:

Science that cannot be questioned is not science at all but rather is dogma.
Education that does not allow consideration of all points of view is not education at all but rather is indoctrination.
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Too much of the time public school teachers and college professors have been telling students what to think, not how to think, evaluate, process, dissect information. Different points of view are disallowed at best of the worst; ridiculed and demeaned or used to fail or eject the student at worst of the worst. That is not education at all but indoctrination and programming.

Take intelligent design for instance. Many school systems will not even allow the concept to be mentioned, much less discussed and/or evaluated. Yet even brilliant minds as Spinoza and Einstein allowed it as not only possibility but even possibly probability.

For sure the science teacher will advise the students that while the concept is one of many theories of the creation and evolution of the universe and Planet Earth, it cannot be called science as there is no way to test it or falsify it. But nevertheless it is a reasoned theory and can be included in the large mass of thought, speculation, knowledge that we don't have the science to evaluate yet.

History teachers will often denigrate the Founders and find every ugly fact they can ferret out or make up to make them somebody students will hold in contempt. The same with figures like Columbus or Civil War generals. Or the secession of the South. The students will not be taught the other side of the story or any facts that would change the narrative to one the students must hold in contempt to one of understanding of all the various nuances that go into historical events and decisions.

This is why home schooling so often does a far better job of educating than does public education. Or why self educated people can be far better educated than many of the college educated.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Pressured group think and establishments hiring only like minded people sucks... but they are free to suck...

Thank you!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My sig line:

Science that cannot be questioned is not science at all but rather is dogma.
Education that does not allow consideration of all points of view is not education at all but rather is indoctrination.
​

Too much of the time public school teachers and college professors have been telling students what to think, not how to think, evaluate, process, dissect information. Different points of view are disallowed at best of the worst; ridiculed and demeaned or used to fail or eject the student at worst of the worst. That is not education at all but indoctrination and programming.

Take intelligent design for instance. Many school systems will not even allow the concept to be mentioned, much less discussed and/or evaluated. Yet even brilliant minds as Spinoza and Einstein allowed it as not only possibility but even possibly probability.

For sure the science teacher will advise the students that while the concept is one of many theories of the creation and evolution of the universe and Planet Earth, it cannot be called science as there is no way to test it or falsify it. But nevertheless it is a reasoned theory and can be included in the large mass of thought, speculation, knowledge that we don't have the science to evaluate yet.

History teachers will often denigrate the Founders and find every ugly fact they can ferret out or make up to make them somebody students will hold in contempt. The same with figures like Columbus or Civil War generals. Or the secession of the South. The students will not be taught the other side of the story or any facts that would change the narrative to one the students must hold in contempt to one of understanding of all the various nuances that go into historical events and decisions.

This is why home schooling so often does a far better job of educating than does public education. Or why self educated people can be far better educated than many of the college educated.

How do you know this? Did you just graduate from high school? Or did you read it from homeschooling parents who wanted to justify their choices?

Home schooling is often used as an excuse to dodge mandatory attendance laws which were changed to allow student to attend school until age 18 instead of dropping out at age 16. I had several students drop out when they turned 16 because they were freshmen still and never going to graduate. Then after they changed the law, all of a sudden, their parents wanted to home school them. I doubt they ever cracked a book.

I remember one student that was special ed because of a learning disability. She was disabled because she was too lazy to do any work. She was being homeschooled by her high school dropout parents after that. What do you think the probability she ever got a diploma?

Homeschooling is great if it is done the right way. My own granddaughter was homeschooled for some of her elementary years, but she was taught by her stay-at-home mother who was a college graduate who attended the high school where I taught. She has attended public school on-line classes since COVID.

 

[Foxfyre]

How do you know this? Did you just graduate from high school? Or did you read it from homeschooling parents who wanted to justify their choices?

Home schooling is often used as an excuse to dodge mandatory attendance laws which were changed to allow student to attend school until age 18 instead of dropping out at age 16. I had several students drop out when they turned 16 because they were freshmen still and never going to graduate. Then after they changed the law, all of a sudden, their parents wanted to home school them. I doubt they ever cracked a book.

I remember one student that was special ed because of a learning disability. She was disabled because she was too lazy to do any work. She was being homeschooled by her high school dropout parents after that. What do you think the probability she ever got a diploma?

Homeschooling is great if it is done the right way. My own granddaughter was homeschooled for some of her elementary years, but she was taught by her stay-at-home mother who was a college graduate who attended the high school where I taught. She has attended public school on-line classes since COVID.

I was involved in ministry in our church where more than half the youth are homeschooled. In working with these kids, most of them were head and shoulders above the public schooled kids in basic knowledge, ability to think critically, process complex concepts, etc. They also were generally far better mannered and displayed other qualities that were quite impressive.

I have a great nephew who was homeschooled from kindergarten through senior high school by a mother with a high school education, no college. When he was ready for high school his parents enrolled him in the public school. Within two weeks he was begging to come home. He was so far advanced over his classmates and complained that so much time was wasted in the classroom. He could do in two or three hours what they did all day in the public school. So he came home and graduated high school as a home schooled kid. He went on to the university where he graduated with honors in four years.

I'm sure that isn't the experience of every homeschooled kid. but it is sufficient experience to give me at least some knowledge of what I am talking about.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I was involved in ministry in our church where more than half the youth are homeschooled. In working with these kids, most of them were head and shoulders above the public schooled kids in basic knowledge, ability to think critically, process complex concepts, etc. They also were generally far better mannered and displayed other qualities that were quite impressive.

I have a great nephew who was homeschooled from kindergarten through senior high school by a mother with a high school education, no college. When he was ready for high school his parents enrolled him in the public school. Within two weeks he was begging to come home. He was so far advanced over his classmates and complained that so much time was wasted in the classroom. He could do in two or three hours what they did all day in the public school. So he came home and graduated high school as a home schooled kid. He went on to the university where he graduated with honors in four years.

I'm sure that isn't the experience of every homeschooled kid. but it is sufficient experience to give me at least some knowledge of what I am talking about.

So, you admit you know nothing about what is taught in public schools. Thank you for admitting your bias.

 

[Foxfyre]

So, you admit you know nothing about what is taught in public schools. Thank you for admitting your bias.

We've had this discussion before. Memory failing you old man? I listed my experience/credentials in the public schools for you then. You don't pay very good attention do you.

 

[Unkotare]

I was involved in ministry in our church where more than half the youth are homeschooled. In working with these kids, most of them were head and shoulders above the public schooled kids in basic knowledge, ability to think critically, process complex concepts, etc. ...

Because you met, got to know, and evaluated every public school student in your district?

 

[Foxfyre]

Because you met, got to know, and evaluated every public school student in your district?

Maybe if you think really really hard you will realize how non sequitur and really foolish your quoted post is? My post is self explanatory of what I said, what I intended, what I meant. Give your best argument for how it isn't so if you can.

 

[Unkotare]

Because you met, got to know, and evaluated every public school student in your district?

^^^

 

[Unkotare]

See, you didn't go and thus you don't understand how critical thinking and empiricism works or is applied.

Good job!

Are you still dodging?

 

[Kyrion]

Are you still dodging?

So why did you not go to college? Laziness?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We've had this discussion before. Memory failing you old man? I listed my experience/credentials in the public schools for you then. You don't pay very good attention do you.

You are simply not important to me when you talk shit you know nothing about.