How the West (Europe) Brought "Civilization" to the World

[westwall]

You didn’t even watch it. Stop lying

Why watch that which I know is crap?

 

[Hellbilly]

Why watch that which I know is crap?

You don’t know its crap without watching it

 

[westwall]

You don’t know its crap without watching it

Sure I do. I see who produced it, and based on prior knowledge I know that they produce shit.

 

[Hellbilly]

Sure I do. I see who produced it, and based on prior knowledge I know that they produce shit.

That is some stupid shit

 

[westwall]

That is some stupid shit

Yeah, you have to be pretty stupid to keep going to the same trough that poisoned you the last time.

But you are pretty stupid.

 

[odanny]

The "West", i.e., Europeans and those immigrants who left there to other countries like the U.S. and Australia, have indeed killed millions and destroyed many cultures, this is not anything new. The violence and unrest now found in many of these nations was indirectly caused by the subjugation and disruption of their own self rule from colonialism.

Look at Native Americans, they knew how to take care of the earth and the animals they lived with and relied upon. Now they live on reservations and suffer high rates of alcoholism. Just one example.

 

[Hellbilly]

Yeah, you have to be pretty stupid to keep going to the same trough that poisoned you the last time.

But you are pretty stupid.

Merciless Indian Savage

 

[westwall]

Merciless Indian Savage

You ain't seen nothing yet, skippy.

 

[Hellbilly]

You ain't seen nothing yet, skippy.

Neither have you. There will be blood

 

[westwall]

The "West", i.e., Europeans and those immigrants who left there to other countries like the U.S. and Australia, have indeed killed millions and destroyed many cultures, this is not anything new. The violence and unrest now found in many of these nations was indirectly caused by the subjugation and disruption of their own self rule from colonialism.

Look at Native Americans, they knew how to take care of the earth and the animals they lived with and relied upon. Now they live on reservations and suffer high rates of alcoholism. Just one example.

What a load of bullshit. The native American peoples disappeared from the Southwest US because they couldn't survive a changing climate 600 years ago.

My own people were bare subsistence farmers, and hunters. Subject to extinction when the weather turned bad.

That's the reality of primitive people's everywhere. You survive so long as the climate is good, but perish when it isn't.

 

[odanny]

What a load of bullshit. The native American peoples disappeared from the Southwest US because they couldn't survive a changing climate 600 years ago.

What about the rest of North America? They were doing just fine before they were overwhelmed with violence.

Manifest Destiny.

 

[IM2]

You need to chill out or if not at least tell the rest of the story, now cool it,

I don't need to do anything. You don't want to begin talking about the divide and conquer techniques used by Europeans. You don't want to begin talking about the puppet governments installed by whites to carry out the goals of the corporations. You want me to tell the full story? Here are some examples.

Rwanda and Burundi had existed for centuries without European assistance, but due to the Berlin Conference in 1884, whites decided that Germany could have Rwanda and Burundi. In 1916, Belgian took control of Rwanda and Burundi due to a League of Nations mandate. Once Rwanda was colonized by Europeans, the colonizers invented a fake racial hierarchy whereby the Europeans deemed themselves superior, decided that the Tutsis were closer to white than the Hutus, and gave Tutsis preference over the Hutus. Under this fake hierarchy, Tutsis were deemed more intelligent and were born to rule, while Hutus were second class citizens.

Once put in force, this European construct limited the employment opportunities and educational attainment of the Hutus. Because the colonizers considered the Tutsis the preferred group, Tutsis were given positions Hutus were not allowed to have. To enforce this preference system, the Belgian colonizers introduced identity cards labeling each individual as Tutsi, Hutu, Twa, or Naturalised. Before that time, it had been possible for some Hutus to become “honorary Tutsis,” but the implementation of identity cards eliminated that possibility, thereby cementing Hutu second-class status.

This Belgian belief of superiority was based on the Hamidic Hypothesis. Using this hypothesis, Europeans created a false history and fake racial superiority between African tribes to control a nation and colonize the people living there.

That's not good enough for you? Here's another one.

When you look at Uganda, you see a nation that had been self-governed for centuries until the British decided they wanted to make money off the plentiful resources in Africa. During the “Scramble for Africa” in the 1800s, England decided they would make Uganda a British protectorate. The British gained control because of the signing of the first Buganda agreement. A representative of the King signed the first Buganda agreement because the King was a baby at the time. The Kings representative took advantage of the situation by agreeing to reduce the king’s power while increasing the power of his advisory council. This agreement gave the final say in all matters to the British, who could veto decisions made by the King.

That first agreement created many problems. Eventually, there was a second Buganda agreement. But my point here is that the existence of a King signifies a line of succession, showing us that Uganda was a sovereign nation governed by a monarchy. Uganda had been so ruled for at least 800 years before the Buganda agreement. From 1894 until 1962, a span of sixty-eight years, Britain colonized land that had been occupied for over 50,000 years. British colonization created division among the people of Uganda.

In 1962, Uganda gained independence and passed a constitution. At that time, the Uganda Peoples Republic was voted into power under Prime Minister Milton Obote. One of Obotes friends was named Idi Amin. Four years later, Obote did away with the constitution. Obote remained in power until 1971, when he was overthrown in a military coup by Amin.

Had it not been for the colonization of Uganda, instead of allowing Uganda to govern itself as it had been doing for 800 years before the British decided they had the right to control that country, it is very possible there would have been no rule by Idi Amin.

That not good enough for you? Here is another one.

Patrice Lumumba was assassinated by the CIA because he preached independence from colonizers. The U.S. installed someone who opposed Lumumba who helped get him killed. His name - Mobutu Sese Soko. We have been told what a terrible evil dictator Moutu was, and he was all of that, but we are the ones who put him in power and kept him in power for years.

You don't want to be shown all of the story. You want a story whereby whites can be absolved and to try blaming blacks for the colonization. That's not going to be done by me. Whites chose the enter Africa. They didn't have to. Whites chose to divide up Africa due to the Berlin Conference where no African nation was in attendance. These are the facts.

So I won't be cooling it. Face the truth, white man.

 

[Meathead]

The simple fact is Africa is STILL a continent run by barbarians. Whites control NONE OF IT, and the continent still enjoys slavery, and you retards murdered almost a million of your own kind in Rwanda just a few short years ago.

That's NOW!

Just imagine how barbaric Africa was 100, 200, 300 years ago!

There IS NO CIVILIZATION south of the Sahara. Hasn't been for over 1000 years.

True, there were civilizations of varying degrees pretty much everywhere except sub-Saharan Africa, New Guinea and Australia before colonization.

 

[westwall]

What about the rest of North America? They were doing just fine before they were overwhelmed with violence.

Manifest Destiny.

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No, they weren't. They were still subject to the climate. Bad climate, no food, no life. They managed nothing. You have fallen prey to the fantasy that the covers of the romance novels where the woman is a brown painted blond Nordic type is what native American women look like.

It's silly, and ignorant.

 

[westwall]

I don't need to do anything. You don't want to begin talking about the divide and conquer techniques used by Europeans. You don't want to begin talking about the puppet governments installed by whites to carry out the goals of the corporations. You want me to tell the full story? Here are some examples.

Rwanda and Burundi had existed for centuries without European assistance, but due to the Berlin Conference in 1884, whites decided that Germany could have Rwanda and Burundi. In 1916, Belgian took control of Rwanda and Burundi due to a League of Nations mandate. Once Rwanda was colonized by Europeans, the colonizers invented a fake racial hierarchy whereby the Europeans deemed themselves superior, decided that the Tutsis were closer to white than the Hutus, and gave Tutsis preference over the Hutus. Under this fake hierarchy, Tutsis were deemed more intelligent and were born to rule, while Hutus were second class citizens.

Once put in force, this European construct limited the employment opportunities and educational attainment of the Hutus. Because the colonizers considered the Tutsis the preferred group, Tutsis were given positions Hutus were not allowed to have. To enforce this preference system, the Belgian colonizers introduced identity cards labeling each individual as Tutsi, Hutu, Twa, or Naturalised. Before that time, it had been possible for some Hutus to become “honorary Tutsis,” but the implementation of identity cards eliminated that possibility, thereby cementing Hutu second-class status.

This Belgian belief of superiority was based on the Hamidic Hypothesis. Using this hypothesis, Europeans created a false history and fake racial superiority between African tribes to control a nation and colonize the people living there.

That's not good enough for you? Here's another one.

When you look at Uganda, you see a nation that had been self-governed for centuries until the British decided they wanted to make money off the plentiful resources in Africa. During the “Scramble for Africa” in the 1800s, England decided they would make Uganda a British protectorate. The British gained control because of the signing of the first Buganda agreement. A representative of the King signed the first Buganda agreement because the King was a baby at the time. The Kings representative took advantage of the situation by agreeing to reduce the king’s power while increasing the power of his advisory council. This agreement gave the final say in all matters to the British, who could veto decisions made by the King.

That first agreement created many problems. Eventually, there was a second Buganda agreement. But my point here is that the existence of a King signifies a line of succession, showing us that Uganda was a sovereign nation governed by a monarchy. Uganda had been so ruled for at least 800 years before the Buganda agreement. From 1894 until 1962, a span of sixty-eight years, Britain colonized land that had been occupied for over 50,000 years. British colonization created division among the people of Uganda.

In 1962, Uganda gained independence and passed a constitution. At that time, the Uganda Peoples Republic was voted into power under Prime Minister Milton Obote. One of Obotes friends was named Idi Amin. Four years later, Obote did away with the constitution. Obote remained in power until 1971, when he was overthrown in a military coup by Amin.

Had it not been for the colonization of Uganda, instead of allowing Uganda to govern itself as it had been doing for 800 years before the British decided they had the right to control that country, it is very possible there would have been no rule by Idi Amin.

That not good enough for you? Here is another one.

Patrice Lumumba was assassinated by the CIA because he preached independence from colonizers. The U.S. installed someone who opposed Lumumba who helped get him killed. His name - Mobutu Sese Soko. We have been told what a terrible evil dictator Moutu was, and he was all of that, but we are the ones who put him in power and kept him in power for years.

You don't want to be shown all of the story. You want a storty whereby whites can be absved and to try blamining foblcksr the colonization. That's not going to be done by me. Whites chose the enter Africa. They didn't have to. Whites chose to divide up Africa due to the Berlin Cnference where no African nation was in attendence. These are the facts.

So I won't be cooling it. Face the truth, white man.

Yet you dance around the fact that blacks hacked other blacks to death.

Why is that? There were no white dudes pointing guns at them forcing them to do it.

 

[odanny]

No, they weren't. They were still subject to the climate. Bad climate, no food, no life. They managed nothing. You have fallen prey to the fantasy that the covers of the romance novels where the woman is a brown painted blond Nordic type is what native American women look like.

It's silly, and ignorant.

This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to start.

The natives were forced onto reservations and often close to starvation, they relied on bison and their indigenous farming methods, all of which worked, plus they were nomadic, so if conditions were not ideal, they could move to a location that was sustainable.

All of that was taken from them, they were made dependent on government handouts, and guess what? Many remain that way today, indirectly a result of U.S. government policy directed against them.

 

[westwall]

This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to start.

The natives were forced onto reservations and often close to starvation, they relied on bison and their indigenous farming methods, all of which worked, plus they were nomadic, so if conditions were not ideal, they could move to a location that was sustainable.

All of that was taken from them, they were made dependent on government handouts, and guess what? Many remain that way today, indirectly a result of U.S. government policy directed against them.

I'm talking pre res days. Take a look at every primitive culture. They do great so long as the climate is good.

The Anasazi failed and abandoned their villages because they were starving to death.

It's a tale as old as time.

That's not managed, that's subsistence.

Subsistence is one catastrophe away from extinction.

 

[odanny]

I'm talking pre res days. Take a look at every primitive culture. They do great so long as the climate is good.

The Anasazi failed and abandoned their villages because they were starving to death.

It's a tale as old as time.

That's not managed, that's subsistence.

Subsistence is one catastrophe away from extinction.

That might be true, but there was nothing about this that was widespread in N. America, in fact, it was really one isolated instance that happened in the Southwest, and that happened 500 to 600 years prior to Europeans colonizing this continent.

 

[westwall]

That might be true, but there was nothing about this that was widespread in N. America, in fact, it was really one isolated instance that happened in the Southwest, and that happened 500 to 600 years prior to Europeans colonizing this continent.

Oh? Cahokia ring a bell?

You really need to study a lot more.

 

[odanny]

Oh? Cahokia ring a bell?

You really need to study a lot more.

I've been there. You're grasping.