How the Democrats rigged the 2020 election

when challenged, you can’t identify any fraud
We have id’d plenty of fraud

Even libs concede that but argue it wasnt enough to overturn tje election

But thats based only on what has been found

I think there is far more than may never be proven
You are claiming millions of fraudulent votes. Show me some

I will wait
 
and start a thread about it. I can equally point out the things you Trump voters voted for that aren't too pretty and were turned down by federal judges. This protects from unconstitutional extremes.
I dont think I would agree with many of your examples

But how can even the most jaded lib defend biden handing out relief funds based on skin color?
Which relief initiative are you talking about? Can you post a link?
and start a thread about it. I can equally point out the things you Trump voters voted for that aren't too pretty and were turned down by federal judges. This protects from unconstitutional extremes.
I dont think I would agree with many of your examples

But how can even the most jaded lib defend biden handing out relief funds based on skin color?
Which relief initiative are you talking about? Can you post a link?
I could not find the ruling about farmers but this one is just as bad

Thanks for the link. I’ll dig deeper into the actually wording of the directive in question but this is a good start. Pretty incredible that this is how our country has functioned for the majority of its life, isn’t it?
 
You have yet to provide anything concrete to back up your claims.
I’m just one person and hardly able to be onside the dem voter fraud machine
Yet you make claims saying things are happening which you can’t prove and which real evidence contradicts. You’re not expecting to be taken seriously are you?
 
when challenged, you can’t identify any fraud
We have id’d plenty of fraud

Even libs concede that but argue it wasnt enough to overturn tje election

But thats based only on what has been found

I think there is far more than may never be proven
We don’t have plenty. We have rare instances which get caught by the safeguards our system
 
This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand it, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

We haven't had a "fair" election since before Lincoln. Remember when W. beat Gore? There were court cases that proved the election was bogus in favor of Gore. But nothing came of it. Why? Because it was decided by people who have enough control over our elections to sweep those things under the rug and keep them from being national news. Basically all that happened was it was reported locally (Ohio for one), on local news. It got spread around to a few other people who don't have the power to make a national issue out of it. After a month, no one thought about it anymore.
And it's the same thing with every election.

Anyone ever tried being a delegate for the underdog? Say like Bernie Sander or Ron Paul? It's completely useless. The leadership of the 2 parties hand down their marching orders to the state party leadership. And they spread it to the local DNC or RNC headquarters, and the chairmen of those headquarters, steer the potential delegates in the direction of the marching orders that were sent down from on high.

After the election, the deciding votes don't come from those who count the votes. It comes from those who report the vote count to the media. And we get to sit around and argue about what we think are facts, all the while getting used to the one that was "selected" to be the talking head of the USA.

And there's not a damn thing we can do about it. Except complain about it on some political forum.
 
This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand it, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

We haven't had a "fair" election since before Lincoln. Remember when W. beat Gore? There were court cases that proved the election was bogus in favor of Gore. But nothing came of it. Why? Because it was decided by people who have enough control over our elections to sweep those things under the rug and keep them from being national news. Basically all that happened was it was reported locally (Ohio for one), on local news. It got spread around to a few other people who don't have the power to make a national issue out of it. After a month, no one thought about it anymore.
And it's the same thing with every election.

Anyone ever tried being a delegate for the underdog? Say like Bernie Sander or Ron Paul? It's completely useless. The leadership of the 2 parties hand down their marching orders to the state party leadership. And they spread it to the local DNC or RNC headquarters, and the chairmen of those headquarters, steer the potential delegates in the direction of the marching orders that were sent down from on high.

After the election, the deciding votes don't come from those who count the votes. It comes from those who report the vote count to the media. And we get to sit around and argue about what we think are facts, all the while getting used to the one that was "selected" to be the talking head of the USA.

And there's not a damn thing we can do about it. Except complain about it on some political forum.
You think the people reporting the vote numbers are intentionally reporting fake numbers?
 
Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

Only an EXTREMELY rigid leftist partisan would ignore all these anomalies. There are so many of them that only a fool would try to explain them away.

How so many primarily black precincts could show those absolutely unreal voter turnouts defies all logic, especially considering the established pattern of voting turnout in them.
Stacy Abrams is brilliant at getting out the black vote and Trump's divisiveness helped.
 
Coincidence?
Like...was it a coincidence all the votes for Biden rolled in after all the poll workers went home?
You mean from mail in ballots?? Did you expect for Trump to get the majority of mail in ballots?

The genius literally campaigned against mail in voting
 
Coincidence?
Like...was it a coincidence all the votes for Biden rolled in after all the poll workers went home?
You mean from mail in ballots?? Did you expect for Trump to get the majority of mail in ballots?
Every network in Normal World was repeating that the late votes would go strongly to the Democrats because (a) they were far more likely to vote by mail and (b) Trump told his people to vote in person.

They said it a thousand times. Okay, I got it. I got tired of hearing it. And that's exactly what happened.
 
Coincidence?
Like...was it a coincidence all the votes for Biden rolled in after all the poll workers went home?
You mean from mail in ballots?? Did you expect for Trump to get the majority of mail in ballots?
Every network in Normal World was repeating that the late votes would go strongly to the Democrats because (a) they were far more likely to vote by mail and (b) Trump told his people to vote in person.

They said it a thousand times. Okay, I got it. I got tired of hearing it. And that's exactly what happened.
Yes, they also said it would take a few days to declare a winner. Everything that went down was forecasted months in advance. Yet the trumpers act surprised.
 
Coincidence?
Like...was it a coincidence all the votes for Biden rolled in after all the poll workers went home?
You mean from mail in ballots?? Did you expect for Trump to get the majority of mail in ballots?
Every network in Normal World was repeating that the late votes would go strongly to the Democrats because (a) they were far more likely to vote by mail and (b) Trump told his people to vote in person.

They said it a thousand times. Okay, I got it. I got tired of hearing it. And that's exactly what happened.
Yes, they also said it would take a few days to declare a winner. Everything that went down was forecasted months in advance. Yet the trumpers act surprised.
They weren't told any of this in their closed circuit informational ecosystem.
 
Leave China out of it. The pandemic was grotesquely exploited by the Media/Left to slander the President - as new details make abundantly clear - but it was not created for this purpose. It was truly just a fuck-up, and not a planned assault by the CCP.

America's Left used the Pandemic and inflammatory coverage of the dangers to instill irrational fear in the voting population - mainly ignorant fools - so that they could claim that voting-in-person was taking an unreasonable personal risk. Then they conspired in the key swing states to water down any rational attempts to bring vote security to the mail-in votes, in many cases employing illegal and unconstitutional means to do so (under the Constitution, only the STATE LEGISLATURES had the power to modify voting requirements). Had they merely made the Mail-In security requirements comparable to Absentee Ballot requirements, the theft could not have occurred.

But they set up voting systems and parameters that not only facilitated massive fraud, but at the same time made it impossible to document, because the documents themselves (the written ballots) were compromised, mixed with legitimate ballots, or destroyed.

And none of this was a revelation after-the-fact. The Trump team was screaming about it in the run-up to the election, but the Media poo-poohed it unanimously, rendering it nothing more than "Fox News Hysteria."

And this is how the election was stolen, without a trace. All that is left is inferential evidence. Virtually every key indicator indicated a Trump win, and in fact he won the swing states, which would have given him the Electoral College, despite losing the mythical "popular election." Just like in 2016.

Ironically and humorously, the evidence of a stolen election is infinitely more compelling than the evidence of "systemic racism," which Leftists accept as "gospel."
Dude, you got to back up that claim that "virtually every key indicator indicated a Trump win", because I ain't seeing it. No president in modern history has been reelected with Trump's approval numbers. So what indicators were projecting a Trump victory.
Then Trump should have lost votes not increased his number bigly. In fact no President has lost after increasing their votes by that much
 
Then Trump should have lost votes not increased his number bigly. In fact no President has lost after increasing their votes by that much
29 million more people voted.

2016: 130 million
2020: 159 million

It's just math.
Republicans are doing everything possible to cut down on that 29 million
 
Then Trump should have lost votes not increased his number bigly. In fact no President has lost after increasing their votes by that much
29 million more people voted.

2016: 130 million
2020: 159 million

It's just math.,,,,,, And both times trump lost the popular vote
Guess the reason for more voting in 2020 was people got a close up look of the grifting skunk
 
This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand it, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.


The Democrats stole the election by continuing to vote in six cities, Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Las Vegan and Phoenix until they were ahead in those States. Then they stopped "counting" ... and voting ...

It wasn't a complicated plan, but it did the job
 
Then Trump should have lost votes not increased his number bigly. In fact no President has lost after increasing their votes by that much
29 million more people voted.

2016: 130 million
2020: 159 million

It's just math.

There were 159 million votes cast. There were far fewer voters than that
 
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