How Much Should A Teacher Get Paid?

[boedicca]

In the U.S. we currently spend over $11K per pupil for K-12 public education.

With 30 kids in a class, that is over $300K per year. Where does the money go?

In a competitive marketplace which eliminated the excessive overhead structure, teacher pay could be higher with much lower spending per pupil.

 

[snjmom]

If we had a free market for education -like using vouchers- teachers would be paid for performance.

What's the first rule of the market? Rationing through price. Do we really want to ration our educational system by price?

 

[boedicca]

Actually, the first rule of the market is: There's No Free Lunch.

 

[rightwinger]

It doesn't seem like a lot to me either. But they made the choice to become teachers -in this life choices and actions have consequences. If they wanted to earn more income they should have made different choices. They need to buy some mirrors - then look deeply into them so they'll know exactly whom to blame for their situation.

But we get what we pay for. If we pay a salary that forces teachers to look in that mirror and say..."I can do better elsewhere" we will not get very good teachers

Not really. If we had a free market for education -like using vouchers- teachers would be paid for performance. What we have now is a system with no competition or incentive to do anything more than the minimum requriments. Why be the best teacher in the world when you'll be paid exactly the same amount as the lazy piece of shit who phones it in? Of course exceptions exist and we've all heard about the occasional public school teacher that is brilliant, committed, and talented. But they are all too rare.....That's human nature and the reason that all socialist types of systems ultimately fail.

My only problem with vouchers is that I see no way to give vouchers without raising my taxes. It is not a zero sum game

Pay for performance is great....as long as you have a fair way to measure performance. How do you measure the performance of a Special Ed teacher? How about an Art or music teacher?
Do you measure the quality of the students given to the teacher?

 

[Douger]

$50 an hour with the current "rules"
$10 an hour with cattle prods with user permits.

 

[GWV5903]

Sorry, but for two wage earners with professional degrees, that does not seem like a lot to me. Someone with a degree and in the workforce for ten plus years making $55k is not impressive

It doesn't seem like a lot to me either. But they made the choice to become teachers -in this life choices and actions have consequences. If they wanted to earn more income they should have made different choices. They need to buy some mirrors - then look deeply into them so they'll know exactly whom to blame for their situation.

But we get what we pay for. If we pay a salary that forces teachers to look in that mirror and say..."I can do better elsewhere" we will not get very good teachers

I believed that for a long time, but the truth is we get what we demand, we always have....

If you want to recruit the best, you will have to get rid of the Union. The unions benefit to society is long gone....

 

[snjmom]

Actually, the first rule of the market is: There's No Free Lunch.

No, thats just a Heinleinism. Price as a rationing mechanism is the first rule. Without price, you don't have a free market.

 

[boedicca]

Actually, the first rule of the market is: There's No Free Lunch.

No, thats just a Heinleinism. Price as a rationing mechanism is the first rule. Without price, you don't have a free market.

You're wrong. I'm correct.

No Free Lunch means that prices exist. That is a first rule for a market to exist.

You and your fellow moonbats think you can manipulate market pricing mechanisms, but as there is No Free Lunch, the price differential will be felt in an another area (either intended or unintended).

 

[snjmom]

Actually, the first rule of the market is: There's No Free Lunch.

No, thats just a Heinleinism. Price as a rationing mechanism is the first rule. Without price, you don't have a free market.

You're wrong. I'm correct.

No Free Lunch means that prices exist. That is a first rule for a market to exist.

You and your fellow moonbats think you can manipulate market pricing mechanisms, but as there is No Free Lunch, the price differential will be felt in an another area (either intended or unintended).

I disagree. No free lunch is just a restatement of the first law. Markets exist without being free. In a free market, price is the only rationing system used, instead of force, which doesn't require pricing.

 

[kaz]

So far the Conservative responses seem to lean towards the rich neighborhoods having the best teachers as they can afford it.

No actual dollar amount mentioned...interesting.

Let's see what else comes out.

So your view is teachers are only motivated by money? Interesting...

 

[spectrumc01]

How much they get paid is a moot point if we all beleive in capitalism, because they will get paid what the market can afford. When the market can't afford it any longer then the teacher gets laid off, or they work for less. It's quite simple.

whats going on in Wisconsin is something different all together.

 

[rightwinger]

So far the Conservative responses seem to lean towards the rich neighborhoods having the best teachers as they can afford it.

No actual dollar amount mentioned...interesting.

Let's see what else comes out.

So your view is teachers are only motivated by money? Interesting...

It's up there..

Wealthy districts pay more, have better students, are safer and have better working conditions

Other than money, what is the motivation for working in a ghetto district?

 

[kaz]

So far the Conservative responses seem to lean towards the rich neighborhoods having the best teachers as they can afford it.

No actual dollar amount mentioned...interesting.

Let's see what else comes out.

So your view is teachers are only motivated by money? Interesting...

It's up there..

Wealthy districts pay more, have better students, are safer and have better working conditions

Other than money, what is the motivation for working in a ghetto district?

I only ask because the liberal argument is teachers are worth their weight in gold because they sacrifice "for the children." I just find it interesting it turns out they are just greedy capitalists who take the job that pays the most money like the rest of us greedy capitalists do.

 

[Wicked Jester]

How much should teachers make?

Can't answer than until you tell us what the median family income is where they live and work.

Just about anyplace you go in the USA teachers median salaries are far below every other profession.

In WISCONSON for example, the median teachers salary is $48,000 which is about $7,000 less than the median family income in WI.

Still think WI's teachers are overpaid?

I know some of you do. It's obvious to me that many of you hate teachers, hate professors, and you hate intellectuals generally.

And, based on your writing and overall misinformed POVs about how our world works, I fully understand why many of you hate intellectuals, too.

And what are their benefits and pension plans worth, genius?

Are Wisconsin teachers overpaid?.......No, they are right in line with what they should be paid.

They need to just shut the fuck up and stop stepping on the RIGHTS of the children to an eduacation, and get their asses back in the god damn classroom.

 

[Meister]

How much should teachers make?

Can't answer than until you tell us what the median family income is where they live and work.

Just about anyplace you go in the USA teachers median salaries are far below every other profession.

In WISCONSON for example, the median teachers salary is $48,000 which is about $7,000 less than the median family income in WI.

Still think WI's teachers are overpaid?

I know some of you do. It's obvious to me that many of you hate teachers, hate professors, and you hate intellectuals generally.

And, based on your writing and overall misinformed POVs about how our world works, I fully understand why many of you hate intellectuals, too.

Lechleiter-Luke makes $54,928 in base salary and $32,213 in “fringe benefits,” which include health insurance, life insurance and retirement pay.

Brad Lutes and his wife, Heather Lutes, told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz that Walker’s budget would hit them twice as hard.

“Having to explain to an 8- and 10-year old that the governor of your state basically wants to take money away from dad and mom? It’s just really, really frustrating,” Brad Lutes told Schultz.

He makes $49,412 in base salary with $27,987 in fringe benefits and his wife makes $50,240 with $9,413 in benefits. That’s $137,052 annually between the two of them.

Read more: Wisconsin Teacher Unions | Teachers Payed Higher Than Average Wisconsin | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment


Need to look at the fringe benefits also. Now that really doesn't look too bad, better than the private sector job, when the fringe benefits are included

Sorry, but for two wage earners with professional degrees, that does not seem like a lot to me. Someone with a degree and in the workforce for ten plus years making $55k is not impressive

Try adding the base salary plus the fringe benefits. Lechleiter-Luke made $54,928 + $32,213 = $87,141
Brad and heather Lutes made 137,052 with the benefits

This is better than the average private sector job.

 

[Leweman]

So youre saying two people working only make 7 thousand more dollars a year on average than one teacher. You arent making a very good case for the teachers here.

 

[Leweman]

So youre saying two people working only make 7 thousand more dollars a year on average than one teacher. You arent making a very good case for the teachers here.

What are you talking about?

The median income for wisconsin is a family income, im sure a majority of those family incomes are a result of TWO incomes. So that means ONE teacher on average is making just a little less than an entire family in wisconsin. And that doesnt even include benefits. Sorry meister that first one was supposed to be a reply but I forgot to hit the quote. It wasnt meant to be directed at you. You already get it.

 

[rightwinger]

Lechleiter-Luke makes $54,928 in base salary and $32,213 in “fringe benefits,” which include health insurance, life insurance and retirement pay.

Brad Lutes and his wife, Heather Lutes, told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz that Walker’s budget would hit them twice as hard.

“Having to explain to an 8- and 10-year old that the governor of your state basically wants to take money away from dad and mom? It’s just really, really frustrating,” Brad Lutes told Schultz.

He makes $49,412 in base salary with $27,987 in fringe benefits and his wife makes $50,240 with $9,413 in benefits. That’s $137,052 annually between the two of them.

Read more: Wisconsin Teacher Unions | Teachers Payed Higher Than Average Wisconsin | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment


Need to look at the fringe benefits also. Now that really doesn't look too bad, better than the private sector job, when the fringe benefits are included

Sorry, but for two wage earners with professional degrees, that does not seem like a lot to me. Someone with a degree and in the workforce for ten plus years making $55k is not impressive

Try adding the base salary plus the fringe benefits. Lechleiter-Luke made $54,928 + $32,213 = $87,141
Brad and heather Lutes made 137,052 with the benefits

This is better than the average private sector job.

Every job has benefits. The bennys paid the teachers do not seem out of line compared to private companies. Public employees may do better on health benefits but don't get the bonuses or stock options available in the private sector

$137 k total, with benefits included does not seem like a windfall for a married professional couple with ten years experience

 

[Meister]

Sorry, but for two wage earners with professional degrees, that does not seem like a lot to me. Someone with a degree and in the workforce for ten plus years making $55k is not impressive

Try adding the base salary plus the fringe benefits. Lechleiter-Luke made $54,928 + $32,213 = $87,141
Brad and heather Lutes made 137,052 with the benefits

This is better than the average private sector job.

Every job has benefits. The bennys paid the teachers do not seem out of line compared to private companies. Public employees may do better on health benefits but don't get the bonuses or stock options available in the private sector

Most jobs in the private sector don't get bonuses or stock options, leftwinger.
Public employee health and pension packages are much better than the private sector, and much of that is unfunded....except for the taxpayer.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Try adding the base salary plus the fringe benefits. Lechleiter-Luke made $54,928 + $32,213 = $87,141
Brad and heather Lutes made 137,052 with the benefits

This is better than the average private sector job.

Every job has benefits. The bennys paid the teachers do not seem out of line compared to private companies. Public employees may do better on health benefits but don't get the bonuses or stock options available in the private sector

Most jobs in the private sector don't get bonuses or stock options, leftwinger.
Public employee health and pension packages are much better than the private sector, and much of that is unfunded....except for the taxpayer.

Exactly.

Those teachers in Wisconsin have a damn good deal.