How much better would be with Romney?

[J.E.D]

They wouldn't have done what Obama did to directly harm the economy.

There would have been stimulus, and it would have been allowed to take hold. Obama killed the stimulus.

Republicans HATED the stimulus. Between the House and Senate, only 3 Republican Senators voted for it.

SO, are you admitting that Republicans only voted against it because Obama is a Democrat?

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On January 28, 2009, the House passed the bill by a 244–188 vote. All but 11 Democrats voted for the bill, and 177 Republicans voted against it (one Republican did not vote).

On February 10, the Senate voted 61–37 (with one not voting) All the Democrats voted in favor, but only three Republicans voted in favor

Republicans hated the stimulus because they saw it for what it was...a liberal pork fest that took advantage of the financial crisis to reward the Democratic base. Republicans didn't like it because they didn't think it would work as constituted...and guess what? They were right! The shovel ready jobs that Barry and Nancy promised never materialized and six months later the Obama Administration had invented a new economic statistic "jobs saved or created" to hide the fact that after spending close to a trillion dollars on stimulus the unemployment rate continued to go up...not down.

Somebody should tell that to Republicans. They sure had a lot of photo-ops thanks to those nonexistent jobs.

Phil Gingrey's Stimulus Hypocrisy: Votes Against Recovery Act In DC, But Hands Out Giant Stimulus Check In Georgia | ThinkProgress

The latest member of Congress to engage in this hypocrisy is Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA). Earlier this month, Gingrey appeared in the city of Cedartown, Georgia, to present a giant check of $625,000 in stimulus funds to the city commission to help fund the the city’s Streetscape project, which will install new sidewalks and infrastructure

Gingrey joins numerous other conservatives in opposing the stimulus while touting its benefits and exploiting its funds. For example, following their votes against the stimulus, Sens. Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates to steer $50 million in stimulus funding into a bio-energy project they supported. Rep. Joseph Cao (R-LA) boasted about securing funds for streetcar expansions that came from ARRA funds. And perhaps the biggest hypocrite of all, Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA), toured his state handing out jumbo-sized checks that were funded by the stimulus, despite his pledge that if he was still a member of Congress, he would’ve voted against the Recovery Act.

 

[Meathead]

The ACA is a success. And will only get better.

Now that's funny!

In what way has it been a failure? A website?

Seriously, do you follow the news? Even MSNBC is having a hard time finding something positive to report.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Romney would have been president with a Democratic Congress, so none of his plans would have been implemented.

true for the first two years only. But obozo had both houses for his first two years, and what did we get-------------the failed law known as ACA, high unemployment, an increase in the number of people in poverty, the gap between rich and poor larger than ever, a divided country.

The ACA is a success. And will only get better.

It's the best they could do with the votes they had to work with.

 

[Oldstyle]

Romney would have been president with a Democratic Congress, so none of his plans would have been implemented.

true for the first two years only. But obozo had both houses for his first two years, and what did we get-------------the failed law known as ACA, high unemployment, an increase in the number of people in poverty, the gap between rich and poor larger than ever, a divided country.

Okay, then tell us how Romney would have kept unemployment at 7.3%.

and be specific.

The reason why unemployment kept going up was that the Obama Stimulus did very little to create jobs in the Private Sector. It kept folks in the Public Sector employed but could only do so for a limited amount of time. When the funds ran out, local and State governments started laying off employees because there were fewer revenues coming in from the Private Sector. Romney would have had the economic insight to realize that the sector to which stimulus needed to be applied was the Private Sector because jobs created THERE create tax revenues to pay for those employed in the Public Sector. Romney also would have understood that uncertainty is the enemy of growth and kills jobs...something that Barry STILL doesn't grasp. You wouldn't have gotten threats to impose new EPA standards for greenhouse gas emissions, Cap & Trade legislation, Card Check legislation, you wouldn't have millions being put out of insurance policies that they liked and which fit their budgets.

The reason that Obama has overseen the worst recovery from a recession in modern economic history is that he doesn't understand that businesses expand or are created because of the anticipation of making profit and ANYTHING you do to lessen the likely hood of a profit being made is going to retard investment and prevent the creation of new jobs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They wouldn't have done what Obama did to directly harm the economy.

There would have been stimulus, and it would have been allowed to take hold. Obama killed the stimulus.

Republicans HATED the stimulus. Between the House and Senate, only 3 Republican Senators voted for it.

SO, are you admitting that Republicans only voted against it because Obama is a Democrat?

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On January 28, 2009, the House passed the bill by a 244–188 vote. All but 11 Democrats voted for the bill, and 177 Republicans voted against it (one Republican did not vote).

On February 10, the Senate voted 61–37 (with one not voting) All the Democrats voted in favor, but only three Republicans voted in favor

Republicans hated the stimulus because they saw it for what it was...a liberal pork fest that took advantage of the financial crisis to reward the Democratic base. Republicans didn't like it because they didn't think it would work as constituted...and guess what? They were right! The shovel ready jobs that Barry and Nancy promised never materialized and six months later the Obama Administration had invented a new economic statistic "jobs saved or created" to hide the fact that after spending close to a trillion dollars on stimulus the unemployment rate continued to go up...not down.

You don't know what you're talking about.

The Republicans had an alternative $700 million dollar stimulus plan on the table that was only marginally different than the one that passed.

 

[Oldstyle]

Republicans HATED the stimulus. Between the House and Senate, only 3 Republican Senators voted for it.

SO, are you admitting that Republicans only voted against it because Obama is a Democrat?

Republicans hated the stimulus because they saw it for what it was...a liberal pork fest that took advantage of the financial crisis to reward the Democratic base. Republicans didn't like it because they didn't think it would work as constituted...and guess what? They were right! The shovel ready jobs that Barry and Nancy promised never materialized and six months later the Obama Administration had invented a new economic statistic "jobs saved or created" to hide the fact that after spending close to a trillion dollars on stimulus the unemployment rate continued to go up...not down.

Somebody should tell that to Republicans. They sure had a lot of photo-ops thanks to those nonexistent jobs.

Phil Gingrey's Stimulus Hypocrisy: Votes Against Recovery Act In DC, But Hands Out Giant Stimulus Check In Georgia | ThinkProgress

The latest member of Congress to engage in this hypocrisy is Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA). Earlier this month, Gingrey appeared in the city of Cedartown, Georgia, to present a giant check of $625,000 in stimulus funds to the city commission to help fund the the city’s Streetscape project, which will install new sidewalks and infrastructure

Gingrey joins numerous other conservatives in opposing the stimulus while touting its benefits and exploiting its funds. For example, following their votes against the stimulus, Sens. Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates to steer $50 million in stimulus funding into a bio-energy project they supported. Rep. Joseph Cao (R-LA) boasted about securing funds for streetcar expansions that came from ARRA funds. And perhaps the biggest hypocrite of all, Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA), toured his state handing out jumbo-sized checks that were funded by the stimulus, despite his pledge that if he was still a member of Congress, he would’ve voted against the Recovery Act.

Jed, I hate to break the news to you but it was Barack Obama himself that admitted that the shovel ready jobs that he and Pelosi promised would be there...simply didn't materialize. A bunch of politicians using photo ops to try and convince their constituents that they were working for them isn't proof of the success of an economic policy...it's politicians doing what politicians DO!

 

[Oldstyle]

Republicans HATED the stimulus. Between the House and Senate, only 3 Republican Senators voted for it.

SO, are you admitting that Republicans only voted against it because Obama is a Democrat?

Republicans hated the stimulus because they saw it for what it was...a liberal pork fest that took advantage of the financial crisis to reward the Democratic base. Republicans didn't like it because they didn't think it would work as constituted...and guess what? They were right! The shovel ready jobs that Barry and Nancy promised never materialized and six months later the Obama Administration had invented a new economic statistic "jobs saved or created" to hide the fact that after spending close to a trillion dollars on stimulus the unemployment rate continued to go up...not down.

You don't know what you're talking about.

The Republicans had an alternative $700 million dollar stimulus plan on the table that was only marginally different than the one that passed.

Different in what way, Beener?

 

[NYcarbineer]

true for the first two years only. But obozo had both houses for his first two years, and what did we get-------------the failed law known as ACA, high unemployment, an increase in the number of people in poverty, the gap between rich and poor larger than ever, a divided country.

Okay, then tell us how Romney would have kept unemployment at 7.3%.

and be specific.

The reason why unemployment kept going up was that the Obama Stimulus did very little to create jobs in the Private Sector. It kept folks in the Public Sector employed but could only do so for a limited amount of time. When the funds ran out, local and State governments started laying off employees because there were fewer revenues coming in from the Private Sector. Romney would have had the economic insight to realize that the sector to which stimulus needed to be applied was the Private Sector because jobs created THERE create tax revenues to pay for those employed in the Public Sector. Romney also would have understood that uncertainty is the enemy of growth and kills jobs...something that Barry STILL doesn't grasp. You wouldn't have gotten threats to impose new EPA standards for greenhouse gas emissions, Cap & Trade legislation, Card Check legislation, you wouldn't have millions being put out of insurance policies that they liked and which fit their budgets.

The reason that Obama has overseen the worst recovery from a recession in modern economic history is that he doesn't understand that businesses expand or are created because of the anticipation of making profit and ANYTHING you do to lessen the likely hood of a profit being made is going to retard investment and prevent the creation of new jobs.

So Romney would have done something to keep government as big as it was in 2008?

lol hilarious

 

[J.E.D]

Republicans hated the stimulus because they saw it for what it was...a liberal pork fest that took advantage of the financial crisis to reward the Democratic base. Republicans didn't like it because they didn't think it would work as constituted...and guess what? They were right! The shovel ready jobs that Barry and Nancy promised never materialized and six months later the Obama Administration had invented a new economic statistic "jobs saved or created" to hide the fact that after spending close to a trillion dollars on stimulus the unemployment rate continued to go up...not down.

Somebody should tell that to Republicans. They sure had a lot of photo-ops thanks to those nonexistent jobs.

Phil Gingrey's Stimulus Hypocrisy: Votes Against Recovery Act In DC, But Hands Out Giant Stimulus Check In Georgia | ThinkProgress

The latest member of Congress to engage in this hypocrisy is Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA). Earlier this month, Gingrey appeared in the city of Cedartown, Georgia, to present a giant check of $625,000 in stimulus funds to the city commission to help fund the the city’s Streetscape project, which will install new sidewalks and infrastructure

Gingrey joins numerous other conservatives in opposing the stimulus while touting its benefits and exploiting its funds. For example, following their votes against the stimulus, Sens. Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates to steer $50 million in stimulus funding into a bio-energy project they supported. Rep. Joseph Cao (R-LA) boasted about securing funds for streetcar expansions that came from ARRA funds. And perhaps the biggest hypocrite of all, Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA), toured his state handing out jumbo-sized checks that were funded by the stimulus, despite his pledge that if he was still a member of Congress, he would’ve voted against the Recovery Act.

Jed, I hate to break the news to you but it was Barack Obama himself that admitted that the shovel ready jobs that he and Pelosi promised would be there...simply didn't materialize. A bunch of politicians using photo ops to try and convince their constituents that they were working for them isn't proof of the success of an economic policy...it's politicians doing what politicians DO!

So, the check Jundal is holding isn't stimulus money? The jobs that check paid for were imaginary?

 

[Oldstyle]

The GOP proposal had tax cuts to stimulate business growth. The Democrats spent that money on keeping State and local government employees working. So what happens a year later when that money runs out? Ooops...we've got to lay off the State and local government employees. That's why the long term unemployment rate has sucked for Barry's entire five years in office.

 

[bitterlyclingin]

Romney is neither lazy or incompetent, nor intent on deliberately destroying the United States. You'd have been plus three on those three counts alone, instead of zero for three.

F'r instance, there's a report out today that the CIA was under standing orders in Libya to not become involved in any violent conflicts, sorta like the Navy and Army at Pearl Harbor bein' prohibited from shooting back at the Japanese as the Japanese dropped their torpedoes, bombed and strafed our ships, planes and military personnel. So we ended up wit four dead in Benghazi while Barack was gettin' his beauty sleep or humpin Reggie in the Lincoln Bedroom. You've got committed idiots running the show in DC who really should be committed, asylum, prison, or maybe the hangman's noose for a few select.

Dear Leader Looking Down On Us All? | Weasel Zippers

 

[NYcarbineer]

Republicans hated the stimulus because they saw it for what it was...a liberal pork fest that took advantage of the financial crisis to reward the Democratic base. Republicans didn't like it because they didn't think it would work as constituted...and guess what? They were right! The shovel ready jobs that Barry and Nancy promised never materialized and six months later the Obama Administration had invented a new economic statistic "jobs saved or created" to hide the fact that after spending close to a trillion dollars on stimulus the unemployment rate continued to go up...not down.

You don't know what you're talking about.

The Republicans had an alternative $700 million dollar stimulus plan on the table that was only marginally different than the one that passed.

Different in what way, Beener?

Ah, so you've never even seen the 2009 Republican stimulus plan.

Why then are you talking as if you had?

 

[Oldstyle]

Somebody should tell that to Republicans. They sure had a lot of photo-ops thanks to those nonexistent jobs.

Jed, I hate to break the news to you but it was Barack Obama himself that admitted that the shovel ready jobs that he and Pelosi promised would be there...simply didn't materialize. A bunch of politicians using photo ops to try and convince their constituents that they were working for them isn't proof of the success of an economic policy...it's politicians doing what politicians DO!

So, the check Jundal is holding isn't stimulus money? The jobs that check paid for were imaginary?

Yes, as President Obama so famously admitted...the shovel ready jobs that they promised were indeed "imaginary".

 

[Oldstyle]

You don't know what you're talking about.

The Republicans had an alternative $700 million dollar stimulus plan on the table that was only marginally different than the one that passed.

Different in what way, Beener?

Ah, so you've never even seen the 2009 Republican stimulus plan.

Why then are you talking as if you had?

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/RealStimulus.pdf

you mean that one?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The GOP proposal had tax cuts to stimulate business growth. The Democrats spent that money on keeping State and local government employees working. So what happens a year later when that money runs out? Ooops...we've got to lay off the State and local government employees. That's why the long term unemployment rate has sucked for Barry's entire five years in office.

So one of the most important planks in the Republican agenda,

that we need smaller government, is a lie?

lol

 

[Oldstyle]

The person that doesn't seem to have ever seen it is you. It differs in some very substantial ways from the Democratic plan.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Different in what way, Beener?

Ah, so you've never even seen the 2009 Republican stimulus plan.

Why then are you talking as if you had?

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/RealStimulus.pdf

you mean that one?

Good googling. Now read it.

 

[Oldstyle]

The GOP proposal had tax cuts to stimulate business growth. The Democrats spent that money on keeping State and local government employees working. So what happens a year later when that money runs out? Ooops...we've got to lay off the State and local government employees. That's why the long term unemployment rate has sucked for Barry's entire five years in office.

So one of the most important planks in the Republican agenda,

that we need smaller government, is a lie?

lol

What was proven to be a "lie" was the naive concept that you could stimulate the economy by increasing spending on the government side while letting the private sector twist in the wind.

 

[Oldstyle]

Ah, so you've never even seen the 2009 Republican stimulus plan.

Why then are you talking as if you had?

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/RealStimulus.pdf

you mean that one?

Good googling. Now read it.

I read it back then...how about you read it for the first time now?

 

[Oldstyle]

The ACA is a success. And will only get better.

Now that's funny!

In what way has it been a failure? A website?

You still don't seem to grasp what's happening with the ACA, Synth...

People ARE signing up for it but they are the people getting subsidies, older and sick people who's insurance would have been very expensive because of pre-existing conditions. THOSE are who are signing up for ObamaCare! The reason the ACA will fail is because the healthy young people that need to sign up to pay for all this simply aren't doing so. They've FINALLY come to the conclusion that the ACA is not a benefit to them.