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[Bullypulpit]

<blockquote><b>In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

--George Orwell, 1984</blockquote></b>

I think that just about sums up the way the conservatives I've talked with and seen posting here, and on other bulletin boards operate. The awful reality of their party's decisions doesn't affect them since they don't think about them. They merely accept them on faith, trusting in higher power to make certain things turn out alright. While such reasoning amy be acceptable and useful for an AA meeting, it is neither acceptable nor useful in guiding the ship of state.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
<blockquote><b>In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

--George Orwell, 1984</blockquote></b>

I think that just about sums up the way the conservatives I've talked with and seen posting here, and on other bulletin boards operate. The awful reality of their party's decisions doesn't affect them since they don't think about them. They merely accept them on faith, trusting in higher power to make certain things turn out alright. While such reasoning amy be acceptable and useful for an AA meeting, it is neither acceptable nor useful in guiding the ship of state.

You libs live a fundamentally lopsided view of the world. Your continual villainizations of business and obvious ignorance regarding matters of economics is quite apparent. Socialists ideology has been discredited time and again. The societies under it's influence ultimately erode and fail, yet you still continue to beat your socialist drum of denial, loudly for all to hear. you trumpet this mysterious "Right here right now" Philosophy ,which I think you stole from Jesus Jones. This philosophy fails you. Two or three times you've whipped it out, only to find it falls short under comparative scrutiny. Aren't you tired of being wrong and looking wronger?

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
You libs live a fundamentally lopsided view of the world. Your continual villainizations of business and obvious ignorance regarding matters of economics is quite apparent. Socialists ideology has been discredited time and again. The societies under it's influence ultimately erode and fail, yet you still continue to beat your socialist drum of denial, loudly for all to hear. you trumpet this mysterious "Right here right now" Philosophy ,which I think you stole from Jesus Jones. This philosophy fails you. Two or three times you've whipped it out, only to find it falls short under comparative scrutiny. Aren't you tired of being wrong and looking wronger?

Actually it is rooted in Buddhist philosphy, and it has served me quite well in my dealings with others as well as life in general. There's nothing "mysterious" about taking into account the consequences of ones choices upon others. It merely requires a certain level of thoughtfulness and introspection. It's not my fault you are lacking such qualities.

Communism, and its bastard child socialism, are failures because they substitute the state for the godhead...they fail for the same reason theocracies fail. The consequences of their actions to the individuals living in such socisties are irrelevant in this life or some imagined afterlife.

 

[Comrade]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
<blockquote><b>In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

--George Orwell, 1984</blockquote></b>

I think that just about sums up the way the conservatives I've talked with and seen posting here, and on other bulletin boards operate. The awful reality of their party's decisions doesn't affect them since they don't think about them. They merely accept them on faith, trusting in higher power to make certain things turn out alright. While such reasoning amy be acceptable and useful for an AA meeting, it is neither acceptable nor useful in guiding the ship of state.

I don't understand, why not just say you think conservatives are ignorant, and leave it at that.

Surely this is just as effective as the quoted text or your validation of how it applies.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by Comrade
I don't understand, why not just say you think conservatives are ignorant, and leave it at that.

Surely this is just as effective as the quoted text or your validation of how it applies.

You have to belabor the obvious for them.

 

[Comrade]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
You have to belabor the obvious for them.

Well it's still not a real thread starter without being specific. I don't know how anyone could respond reasonably given the attack on the policy of conservatism is so vauge... is the reference to "faith" a comment on the religious aspect of certain beliefs?

Be honest, this is an opinion piece, really. And its no secret how you feel already, right?

 

[freeandfun1]

Frankly, the problem with you libs is that you truly do think that you are better than everybody else and more "knowledgable" than everybody else. You believe that ONLY YOU have a true understanding of how everybody "should" think. It is such bullshit. And you know what is funny about it, you rely on those that can get a leg up in life to support you, because most intellectually honest and sincere people will eventually stop believing the bullshit you continually have to convince each other is true. That is why the liberal democratic party is primarily made up of "has beens, wannabes and incapables".

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by Comrade
Well it's still not a real thread starter without being specific. I don't know how anyone could respond reasonably given the attack on the policy of conservatism is so vauge... is the reference to "faith" a comment on the religious aspect of certain beliefs?

Be honest, this is an opinion piece, really. And its no secret how you feel already, right?

It is as specific as the labels of "liberal" and "conservative". Neither term serves to adequately describe anyone. We all hold both "liberal' and "conservative" ideals.

I strongly support the right to keep and bear arms, individual responsibility, and minimal governmental interference in our daily lives. These are "conservative" values.

I strongly support a woman's right to a safe, legal abortion; gay marriage, and a strong public education system which truly gives our children the skills they need to make it on their own in this world. These are considered "liberal" values.

These labels are nothing more than a means of polarizing the general public, and a gross oversimplification of what the world is really like. It paints each of into a little, flat two dimensional box which renders us as simply as a child's stick figure of a man or woman. We are all more than that.

 

[Omegaman]

In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

--George Orwell, 1984

This is the best description of liberals, democrats, I have read in awhile. Let us look at it more closely. The first sentence is obviously talking about democrats. After all who is the largest group who vote for and who the democrats continually try to buy votes from ? Of course it is the uneducated, which they like to call the "helpless". It is a well known fact that the largest potion of democrat voters are those which have very little education.
They do have, the main stream democrat voter, very little knowledge or interest in government or politics, as the quote states, and therefore simply go with what they hear the most on the liberal controlled media.
Finally they except as fact the mm pack of lies due to there total lack of desire to know the truth. They simply "swallow" what he puts out. They have no idea how dangerous this ignorance is.

Omegaman

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit

. . . a strong public education system which truly gives our children the skills they need to make it on their own in this world. These are considered "liberal" values.

You cannot hijack this "want". ALL conservatives want a strong public education system. We just believe that it will be obtained in a manner that is different from what the liberals want. (Frankly, they need the uneducated or indoctrinated to survive politically).

Clinton spent more money on education yes. But it went to hiring administrators and hiring teachers. Nothing went into TEACHING the children. He hired more teachers to get the union vote. Nothing he did helped the education system. The drop out rate among African Americans in 2002 was worse than it was when Clinton took over in 1992. So tell me what the liberals got us for all that money spent in the 1990's? Frankly, Bush has done more for education in America in three years than Clinton did in 8.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by Omegaman
In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

--George Orwell, 1984

This is the best description of Republicans, I have read in awhile. Let us look at it more closely. The first sentence is obviously talking about Republicans. After all who is the largest group who vote for and who the Republicans continually try to buy votes from ? Of course it is the uneducated, which they like to call the "helpless". It is a well known fact that the largest potion of Republican voters are those which have very little education.
They do have, the main stream Republican voter, very little knowledge or interest in government or politics, as the quote states, and therefore simply go with what they hear the most on the limp-wristed, milquetoast media.
Finally they except as fact the mm pack of lies due to there total lack of desire to know the truth. They simply "swallow" what he puts out. They have no idea how dangerous this ignorance is.

Omegaman

Back at ya baby!

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
You cannot hijack this "want". ALL conservatives want a strong public education system. We just believe that it will be obtained in a manner that is different from what the liberals want. (Frankly, they need the uneducated or indoctrinated to survive politically).

Clinton spent more money on education yes. But it went to hiring administrators and hiring teachers. Nothing went into TEACHING the children. He hired more teachers to get the union vote. Nothing he did helped the education system. The drop out rate among African Americans in 2002 was worse than it was when Clinton took over in 1992. So tell me what the liberals got us for all that money spent in the 1990's? Frankly, Bush has done more for education in America in three years than Clinton did in 8.

They why has a "conservative" president failed to fund his own "No Child Left Behind" initiative?

I don't believe I even mentioned that amoral goat, Clinton.

Most glaringly, why didn't you address the real topioc of the post?

 

[freeandfun1]

I already posted my thoughts to which you have not replied. I was just jumping in on that "one" point in your post to somebody else.

 

[Omegaman]

Thank you for proving my point. You apperently do not have an original thought in you.

Omegaman

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
Frankly, the problem with you libs is that you truly do think that you are better than everybody else and more "knowledgable" than everybody else. You believe that ONLY YOU have a true understanding of how everybody "should" think. It is such bullshit. And you know what is funny about it, you rely on those that can get a leg up in life to support you, because most intellectually honest and sincere people will eventually stop believing the bullshit you continually have to convince each other is true. That is why the liberal democratic party is primarily made up of "has beens, wannabes and incapables".

Actually you're wrong. "Liberals" and "conservatives" are both laboring under the delusion that they know what's best for everybody. Your own statements quoted above reflect such thinking, as do mine even now. But that's just part of being human. Being aware of this limitation gives us the opportunity to avoid or, at least, minimize its impact on our lives. It gives us the chance to find the more realistic middle-ground between the extremes. While this does not provide a perfect fit for everyone, it at least gives us a starting point from which we can get beyond pointless bickering and actually get something meaningful and benefical for all of us done.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by Omegaman
Thank you for proving my point. You apperently do not have an original thought in you.

Omegaman

Your rapier-like wit cuts me to the very quick...spilling my life's blood upon the ground. Mother...! I am slain...

 

[Omegaman]

I think you are giving the democrats more credit than they deserve. The issue on public (government) schools is not that complicated.

The democrats say "We must save the public schools". President Bush says "All children must get a good education". There is a big difference in these statements.

The democrats want to save the schools for one reason, and one reason only, VOTES. They want to continue to brainwash children in governmnet schools in order to make sure the next generation will have plenty of democrats to vote and keep them or their kind in power.

President Bush DOES care about the children and their education. It doesn't matter if they get the education in public schools (very difficuit today), private schools, or at home, just so long as they get it.

Omegaman

 

[Omegaman]

Well, I applaud you for having the guts to admit when you have been defeated. Most democrats would never admit such a defeat. There is hope after all.

Omegaman

 

[Comrade]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
They why has a "conservative" president failed to fund his own "No Child Left Behind" initiative?

Hey, wait a minute, who funds anything in this country?


You can attack both the Republican and Democrats in the house for not passing the bill the President made clear he would not veto. But the moment this failure is pasted on Bush all semblance of real logic in such a claim fall flat on it's face.

Doesn't anyone with this argument understand the seperation of powers in our government?

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by Omegaman
Well, I applaud you for having the guts to admit when you have been defeated. Most democrats would never admit such a defeat. There is hope after all.

Omegaman

HA! I rise from my deathbed to spit in your eye! Thbbbbbpt!

And secondly, I am not a Demopublican, nor amI a Republicrat and I admit no defeat at your feelthy hands.