Blowing Up Darwin

[Kruska]

Lucifer became an evil spirit, so maybe God named him "evil spirit": Satan. He became a 'serpent' from his whispering in Eve's ear, likened to the hissing of a snake. A clever deceiver is still called a "snake in the grass".

Again: there is nothing in Genesis that states or implies that the snake is Satan, Lucifer - or whatever you come up with next.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Science is the study of creation.

Exactly and this is how the scientific revolution started, by people who believed they were studying creation, almost every one of them was a Christian in some way.

Evolution is the crazy aunt of science.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

See: List of Christians in science and technology - Wikipedia

Far from theism frustrating and holding back science, it was the very intellectual seed of modern science. Mathematicians, chemists, physicists, engineers, biologists, botanists, anatomists, physiologists, astronomers...

 

[Kruska]

Exactly and this is how the scientific revolution started, by people who believed they were studying creation, almost every one of them was a Christian in some way.

Totally irrelevant - since there are two known kinds of scientists,

1.Those who use science, hoping to back up religious claims regarding GODS creation
2.Those who simply "ignore" religion - and only rely onto science and archeology to determine/research the development of Life.

If those involved in 2. are calling themselves Christian, Hebrew, Muslim or whatever, or stem from such a family - has no implication on their research. Logic however would dictate that those under 2. are atheists.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Totally irrelevant - since there are two known kinds of scientists,

Irrelevant as in unwelcome, because the facts of history fly in the face of those who are zealous devotees of scientism you mean, the latter day Spanish inquisition who seek to tell us what to think. They condemn "religion" while all the time are themselves religious in their zeal.

1.Those who use science, hoping to back up religious claims regarding GODS creation
2.Those who simply "ignore" religion - and only rely onto science and archeology to determine/research creation.

If those involved in 2. are calling themselves Christian, Hebrew, Muslim or whatever, or stem from such a family - has no implication on their research. Logic however would dictate that those under 2. are atheists.

Is all of the science generated by theist scientists over the past five hundred years all lies then? Should we dismiss the work of say Voltaire or Faraday or Euler or James Clark Maxwell? all of these and more, were in essence proponents of ID.

 

[Kruska]

Irrelevant as in unwelcome, because it flies in the face of those who are devotees of scientism you mean.

No - irrelevant in view of your intention - to paint all Scientists as being religiously inspired.

Is all of the science generated by theist scientists over the past five hundred years all lies then?

Who said, stated that?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No - irrelevant in view of your intention - to paint all Scientists as being religiously inspired.

I made no such claim though.

Who said, stated that?

Nobody did, it's called a question are you able to offer me an answer?

 

[Hollie]

Right we already know that people - intelligences - can create, what's your point here?

Make the case for your supernatural gods creating anything.

 

[Hollie]

Science is the study of creation. Evolution is the crazy aunt of science.

Science is the study of the natural world. Identify for us how anyone can study your supernatural spirit realms.

 

[Kruska]

I made no such claim though.

Yes you did:
...scientific revolution started, by people who believed they were studying creation, almost every one of them was a Christian in some way.

e.g. neither Galileo, nor Copernicus were studying creation - but the movement of stars - as such they concluded rightfully that not as the Church propagated that the Sun is moving around the earth (aka the earth is the center of the universe) - but the exact opposite - therefore getting "entangled" with religious fanatics and suppressors.

Nobody did, it's called a question are you able to offer me an answer?

Why should a person like Volt, be questioned in regards to his findings?? simply due to having been a Christian - silly question.

What does e.g. Charles Warren and his archeological findings have to do with studying creation? he simply looked for the place and the date in regards to it's founding age have been set by various archeologists and scientists since then at 10,000 B.C., therefore automatically nullifying the Bibles claim of Adam and Eve having been the first humans, being created around 6300 B.C. etc. etc. - again silly question.

 

[Hollie]

Irrelevant as in unwelcome, because the facts of history fly in the face of those who are zealous devotees of scientism you mean, the latter day Spanish inquisition who seek to tell us what to think. They condemn "religion" while all the time are themselves religious in their zeal.

Is all of the science generated by theist scientists over the past five hundred years all lies then? Should we dismiss the work of say Voltaire or Faraday or Euler or James Clark Maxwell? all of these and more, were in essence proponents of ID.

Why are you assigning your ID’iot creationerism to Voltaire or Faraday or Euler or James Clark Maxwell? The modern cabal of ID’iot creationer ministries has little to do with belief in some unnamed supernatural designer but is more centered on Christian fundamentalism.

 

[Woodznutz]

Science is the study of the natural world. Identify for us how anyone can study your supernatural spirit realms.

What we call natural is supernatural given the absence of life anywhere else in the universe.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What we call natural is supernatural given the absence of life anywhere else in the universe.

See? Another shamanistic declaration. This is what religion does to people. You think you know things you could not know.

 

[Hollie]

What we call natural is supernatural given the absence of life anywhere else in the universe.

You have no reliable data concerning life elsewhere in the universe. Nothing about an absense of life elsewhere in the universe would add credence to your claims of various gods.

 

[Robert W]

I didn't say or mean "classical liberals."

They are of the sort that John Dewey convinced to change the name "Socialist" to liberal.


Today, liberal, socialist, Democrat, progressive, are synonyms.

We seem to have a terrible habit of going along with Democrats own labels. And for another odd reason, we let them also label us. Hardly with resistance on our parts. My aim is truth.

 

[Woodznutz]

Again: there is nothing in Genesis that states or implies that the snake is Satan, Lucifer - or whatever you come up with next.

What I come up with next is Ezekiel 28.

 

[Woodznutz]

You have no reliable data concerning life elsewhere in the universe. Nothing about an absense of life elsewhere in the universe would add credence to your claims of various gods.

When did I ever mention "various Gods"? You asked for supernatural; I gave you supernatural. Just because you're used to something doesn't make it natural.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

We seem to have a terrible habit of going along with Democrats own labels. And for another odd reason, we let them also label us. Hardly with resistance on our parts. My aim is truth.

Your aim appears to be to pretend to be a victim at all times. And you do this to justify your own, poor behavior as some sort of elicited response. Pretty basic, low IQ stuff.

 

[Hollie]

When did I ever mention "various Gods"?

Are you going to arrogantly dismiss all other appeals to gods in favor of your gods?

 

[Woodznutz]

Are you going to arrogantly dismiss all other appeals to gods in favor of your gods?

There is only one God, although Satan is the "god" of this world.