How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

CO2 is a green house gas that is a fact. CO2 conc alone has increased from 300 ppm to 417 ppm in just 50 years fact. Also a fact is C13 isotope ratios in the atmosphere prove it's caused by the burning of the fossil fuels fact. Spin what you like changes nothing Man is the cause of the present increase in global warming.
Yes, CO2 is a GHG. A relatively weak GHG. For every doubling or halving of CO2 the theoretical surface temperature change will be 1C absent any convective currents. So what? You can't ignore the planet naturally cooling and warming depending upon what is happening in the northern hemisphere. There's too much empirical evidence for that.

Why would you assume all of the warming is from an incremental 120 ppm of atmospheric CO2? Especially since the warming trend began 400 years ago.
 
Yes, CO2 is a GHG. A relatively weak GHG. For every doubling or halving of CO2 the theoretical surface temperature change will be 1C absent any convective currents. So what? You can't ignore the planet naturally cooling and warming depending upon what is happening in the northern hemisphere. There's too much empirical evidence for that.

Why would you assume all of the warming is from an incremental 120 ppm of atmospheric CO2? Especially since the warming trend began 400 years ago.
CO2 is not the only GHG, CH4 and N20 are also at record concentrations as well. An increase of 120 ppm CO2 is a 33% increase in just 50 years which is a massive increase. Warming has increased exponentially in only the last 50 years.
 
CO2 is not the only GHG, CH4 and N20 are also at record concentrations as well. An increase of 120 ppm CO2 is a 33% increase in just 50 years which is a massive increase. Warming has increased exponentially in only the last 50 years.
The geologic record is littered with warming and cooling trends. Why are you ignoring that?
 
The geologic record is littered with warming and cooling trends. Why are you ignoring that?
I'm not but they didn't happen in 50 years and not because of Man combuting fossil fuels. Interesting how you deniers use science to support ancient global warming but refuse to accept the science that Man is causing it now.
 
I'm not but they didn't happen in 50 years and not because of Man combuting fossil fuels. Interesting how you deniers use science to support ancient global warming but refuse to accept the science that Man is causing it now.
Sure they did. The geologic record has evidence of 5C swings (warmer and cooler) or more over a period of several decades. That's way more than today and way faster than today.
 
Sure they did. The geologic record has evidence of 5C swings (warmer and cooler) or more over a period of several decades. That's way more than today and way faster than today.
I don't believe you and I am also sure whatever change did occur was not because of Man combusting fossil fuels.
 
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CO2 is not the only GHG, CH4 and N20 are also at record concentrations as well. An increase of 120 ppm CO2 is a 33% increase in just 50 years which is a massive increase. Warming has increased exponentially in only the last 50 years.

Sounds serious!
How many more nuclear reactors should we build?
 
I don't believe you and I am also sure whatever change did occur was not because of Man combusting fossil fuels.
"...the Eemian was punctuated by many short-lived cold events, as shown by variations in electrical conductivity (a proxy for windblown dust, with more dust indicating colder, more arid conditions) and stable oxygen isotopes (a proxy for air temperature) of the ice were used by these workers infer the climatic conditions during the Eemian. The cold events seemed to last a few thousand years, and the magnitude of cooling was similar to the difference between glacial and interglacial conditions; a very dramatic contrast in climate. Furthermore, the shifts between these warm and cold periods seemed to be extremely rapid, possibly occurring over a few decades or less...."

Sudden climate changes in the recent geological record
 
"...the Eemian was punctuated by many short-lived cold events, as shown by variations in electrical conductivity (a proxy for windblown dust, with more dust indicating colder, more arid conditions) and stable oxygen isotopes (a proxy for air temperature) of the ice were used by these workers infer the climatic conditions during the Eemian. The cold events seemed to last a few thousand years, and the magnitude of cooling was similar to the difference between glacial and interglacial conditions; a very dramatic contrast in climate. Furthermore, the shifts between these warm and cold periods seemed to be extremely rapid, possibly occurring over a few decades or less...."

Sudden climate changes in the recent geological record
But you and others have agreed that that is NOT what is happening at present. So what's the fucking point?
 
Does it surprise you that the ocean and the atmosphere warm when the northern hemisphere deglaciates?

Like in summer ... no, it doesn't surprise me at all glaciers melt in summer ...

How are you accounting for convection? ... c'mon man, Meteorology 201 ... you don't seem to understand the basics of Atmospheric Science, why should we believe you in the more advanced topics ...

At least you're not so stupid as to think GHG have increased 50% over the past 50 years ... yeesh ... what kind of moron would claim that? ...
 
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  1. Ocean currents establish climate.

Including continental climates ??? HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ...

The Sun heats the equator more than the poles, on average ... so heat energy will flow from where's it's hot (the equator) to where it's cold (the poles) ... the Earth rotates, and this imparts an east/west component to the air flow's velocity ... and that's a vector ... maybe above your paygrade? ... here's a darling picture showing what we measure in nature ...


This is the cause of weather, and by extension, the cause of climate ... see how the wind blows across the Earth's surface? ... land or sea ... and this wind imparts a force on the surface, and we get blowing sand, dandelion puffs ... and ocean surface currents ...

Climatologists aren't totally stupid ... when they included the term "maritime" in a climate description, they actually do mean "heavily influenced by the ocean" ... what ESTABLISHES the maritime climates is dry land ... over the ocean we have an oceanic climate, which in a thermodynamic sense is completely different from dry land ... 2,200 joules per gram difference in fact ...

Or simply the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics demands the oceans and atmosphere be in equilibrium ... the cause is the Sun ...
 
But you and others have agreed that that is NOT what is happening at present. So what's the fucking point?
Incorrect. When heat is being circulated from the Atlantic to the Arctic the northern hemisphere degalaciates and when the northern hemisphere deglaciates the planet - oceans and the atmosphere - warms. That's my position. Maybe research thermohaline circulation.
 
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Like in summer ... no, it doesn't surprise me at all glaciers melt in summer ...

How are you accounting for convection? ... c'mon man, Meteorology 201 ... you don't seem to understand the basics of Atmospheric Science, why should we believe you in the more advanced topics ...

At least you're not so stupid as to think GHG have increased 50% over the past 50 years ... yeesh ... what kind of moron would claim that? ...
The northern hemisphere deglaciates during interglacial periods. Why are you ignoring the glacial cycles of the past 3 million years? They are what drive the climate of the planet.
 
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Including continental climates ??? HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ...

The Sun heats the equator more than the poles, on average ... so heat energy will flow from where's it's hot (the equator) to where it's cold (the poles) ... the Earth rotates, and this imparts an east/west component to the air flow's velocity ... and that's a vector ... maybe above your paygrade? ... here's a darling picture showing what we measure in nature ...


This is the cause of weather, and by extension, the cause of climate ... see how the wind blows across the Earth's surface? ... land or sea ... and this wind imparts a force on the surface, and we get blowing sand, dandelion puffs ... and ocean surface currents ...

Climatologists aren't totally stupid ... when they included the term "maritime" in a climate description, they actually do mean "heavily influenced by the ocean" ... what ESTABLISHES the maritime climates is dry land ... over the ocean we have an oceanic climate, which in a thermodynamic sense is completely different from dry land ... 2,200 joules per gram difference in fact ...

Or simply the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics demands the oceans and atmosphere be in equilibrium ... the cause is the Sun ...
For the past 3 million years when the northern hemisphere deglaciates the planet warms and when the northern hemisphere glaciates the planet cools.
 
Yes they export a lot of everything, they are the world's factory now BUT the are the leader in creating new wind and solar sites . Creating on a gigantic scale , gobbling up entire valleys in the sparsely populated western regions. In 2022 they doubled the rest of the world 's capacity and in 2023 they doubled that.. Read and learn.. China is currently building 180 gigawatts of large solar projects and 159 gigawatts of wind projects which represent 2/3 of the worlds new projects. By comparison new US projects add up to 40 gigawatts. The US is the second largest in projects. These new Chinese projects will produce enough power for almost 250,000,000 homes. I'm sure they'll be exporting power too like Iran does. Imagine that the first nation running entirely ( plus ) on renewable energy. Then they'll stop using coal. And help save this planet. If it isn't too late already.
Fuck Wind and Solar. Besides ,most of the Elements for Solar come from COMMUNIST China.
 
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